Bojji
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His video about RDNA4 launch problems paints AMD as some great thinkers (4d chess etc.) when in reality they are just fucking up.
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AMD Radeon RX 9070 expected to start at $479, benchmarks now released (Up: Radeon 9000 series go on sale in late March)
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His video about RDNA4 launch problems paints AMD as some great thinkers (4d chess etc.) when in reality they are just fucking up.
Somebody didn't get the memo: AMD ad claims you can enjoy gaming on Radeon RX 9070 XT already - VideoCardz.com
AMD says you can ‘play now’ with Radeon RX 9070 series So RDNA4 was supposed to launch today after all? RX 9070 XT ad (translated), Source: AMD/Reddit If we needed any proof that the Radeon RX 9070 series was supposed to be announced today, this is probably our best leak yet. An advertisement on...
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Wolzard
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iQuasarLV
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LavitzSlambert
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Probably European prices with VAT, considering the source was from Bulgaria. Their electronics are more expensive in USD to begin with, that 9070XT without VAT is $720 and seems more in line what to expect.
Buggy Loop
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No effing way
StereoVsn
Gold Member
So.. the AMD card that should be just a tad lower vs 5070Ti costs $30 less MSRP? Are they insane over at AMD? What the actual fuck!?
If this is true, well…
phant0m
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DOA if true (but I don't think it is, not in USD at least)
It's not even better than 7900 XT in raw raster and that card is $699 now
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BeardSpike
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Yup, Sapphire Nitro+ RX 7900XTX costs $919.99 on NewEgg and about +- $1172,66 in Poland with 23% taxes plus maybe a bit of something for the seller to make a profit on...
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Buggy Loop
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-edit wrong thread
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Reizo Ryuu
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480 > 899 isn't VAT lol.
...That's not how percentages works, did you just take 900 - "20% VAT"(180)?
720 + 20% VAT = 864
Reverse calculating percentage means you have to divide by the percentage: 900 / 120% (1.2) = 750; 750 + 20% = 900
AGRacing
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AMD should not give us an opportunity to click “buy” on a 5070 before an opportunity to click it on a 9070. Especially if they’ve got the stock to sell. Stupid. The pricing and rough performance is known. Pull the damn trigger and launch the thing at the competitive value proposition NOW.
Buggy Loop
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edit - wrong thread
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iQuasarLV
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He says in the YouTube Video 1,650 BGN so $882 USD. Goes on to explain that the card is not worth it over 2,000 BGN.
peish
Member
Its all tsmc fault, they are over charging cos they can
Buggy Loop
Member
Buckle up
Trump To Tariff Chips Made In Taiwan, Targeting TSMC
The tariffs would ensnare cutting-edge smartphone and PC-related chips for Apple, AMD and Nvidia if enacted. But Trump is betting his plan will bring more chip production to the US.
up to 100% tarrifs on TSMC
Ain't no way American foundries are ready to handle bringing everything back to US soil.
Enjoy cheap console and component prices while you can guys, its gonna get ugly.
LavitzSlambert
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And yeah, I didn't do the math right - thanks for catching that. My point being that $480 was an assumption to begin with. We don't know if that was an accurate number AMD started with, or what estimates changed to. Could be $600 + adjustment because things are more expensive outside the US + VAT on top of it. That will get close to that $900 number when all is accounted.
DenchDeckard
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Cards were supposed to launch Jan 23rd.
I can't comment on retail pricing but the cost prices would not enable the prices in the thread title.
I shared this week's ago.
MLID is a fraud and always has been but I've always chosen not to comment.
Maybe there is a chance AMD pull some magic and get the pricing down but I don't have anything concrete to share.
If I hear anything I'll post it.
I can't comment on retail pricing but the cost prices would not enable the prices in the thread title.
I shared this week's ago.
MLID is a fraud and always has been but I've always chosen not to comment.
Maybe there is a chance AMD pull some magic and get the pricing down but I don't have anything concrete to share.
If I hear anything I'll post it.
BeardSpike
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I was also pretty late, so I didn't catch your math but I get your point.
We have a saying here in Poland "Janusz biznesu" Janus of business, which means among any other things like a sleazy seller basically, the word is pretty fluid in meaning, like our favorite swearing word. With pretty much VAT and sellers margins to make a profit on, I always whisper those words looking st US prices and my prices.
Let's look at PS5 Pro Polish prices for example with disk drive $1 088,45 : >.
How much is PS5 Pro with disk drive in the US guys?
That pushed me to, leave my base PS5 as it is and build myself a gaming PC, among any other things.
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FingerBang
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That's about 7900xtx for a card that will be slightly slower in raster.
They have a banger with the 9070xt for a sub-600 card. If it performs faster than a 4080, it will beat the 5070ti with a good margin.
I honestly don't understand WHY they are going to wait until March and let Nvidia launch their cards first at this point. We know how they're going to perform and their price.
Most important, AMD needs to get their shit together for their graphics card division. This is not a start-up fucking up the launch of their first product. This is a company worth billions.
SolidQ
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Those news about powercolor RedDevil which above MSRP. Their MSRP target is 600-650$.
if we look in this slide, that more fits with street prices
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FingerBang
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This slide has been the source of so much confusion. It cannot be performance because we know that the 7900 XTX should be higher than the 4080 and the 7900 XT higher than the 4070ti. If it is price, the 4070ti MSRP is 799, and I think that is technically the same for the 7900XT after the price cut (though not the actual retail price), but IT ALSO MEANS THE 9070XT WAS EXPECTED TO BE A $799 card.Those news about powercolor RedDevil which above MSRP. Their MSRP target is 600-650$.
if we look in this slide, that more fits with street prices
I don't know if expecting them to sell it at $200 cheaper is realistic. This is such a mess. It makes sense that they thought the 4070ti would be the same price as before, so they could position their competitor at around the same price, knowing it would be faster.
I don't know. I'm guessing 9070xt will be $650 - $699 at best, and 9070 around $500.
SolidQ
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That price slide. 600-650, AIB higher. 500 for vanilla.
G-DannY
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DenchDeckard
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This is all going to bite AMD in the ass and I just want some decent healthy competition for Nvidia.
BeardSpike
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Or $849, technically not $899
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SolidQ
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main admin/leaker from chiphell said. OC XT under 5k yuan, non OC under 4k yuan. China have 13% VAT
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winjer
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That is a bit more reasonable.
BattleScar
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I'm sorry, but who the fuck is gonna buy a 9070XT without even considering or waiting for 5070 reviews first?
The answer is nobody.
If AMD launches first, the immediate response has historically always been "Wait for Nvidia". So what's the fucking point?
SolidQ
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The guys who don't like 12GB on 5070 vanilla? Anyway 9070 vanilla looks good ~7900XT perf and 220W
FingerBang
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I would, for two reasons:
1) I'm not going below the 16GB of RAM
2) WE ALREADY KNOW THE BALLPARK OF THE PERFORMANCE OF BOTH 5070 AND 5070TI. If you don't think this is true after seeing the 5090 reviews, it definitely will be this week after the 5080 is out.
At this point, it would simply come down to the price. If the 9070xt were $600, I'd buy one the second it's available. People waiting for the 5070 and 5070ti would probably still wait, but might still go AMD if price and performance are competitive.
Launching the 9070s after Nvidia launches the 5070s means they'll lose some possible sales to people waiting to buy a card.
At this point, I simply think their shit is not ready. Their drivers are not ready and FSR4 is not ready. They don't want to launch another half-baked product promising they'll have a response to what Nvidia has that will ship several months later. If performance is not the issue (and again, we're still in rumorsland), then there must be an issue somewhere else. Proably price and software.
Topher
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Those news about powercolor RedDevil which above MSRP. Their MSRP target is 600-650$.
if we look in this slide, that more fits with street prices
Doesn't matter. AMD lost the narrative. Now the rumor mill is going to be rampant while AMD figures out how to get their head out of their ass.
Bojji
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That OP pricing was never realistic in the first place, not for this tier of performance.
AMD would have to manufacture millions of them to use aggressive pricing to gain market share. But they most likely have much lower stocks so what's the point of super aggressive price if this thing is gonne be out of stock all the time? They might as well make money.
They will undercut nvidia for sure but I don't think it's gonna be much lower than 5070ti/5070 for 9070XT/9070.
I like Richard comments here about mindblowing benchmarks before every AMD launch, he is right. But at the same time we had few different sources so maybe?
AMD would have to manufacture millions of them to use aggressive pricing to gain market share. But they most likely have much lower stocks so what's the point of super aggressive price if this thing is gonne be out of stock all the time? They might as well make money.
They will undercut nvidia for sure but I don't think it's gonna be much lower than 5070ti/5070 for 9070XT/9070.
I like Richard comments here about mindblowing benchmarks before every AMD launch, he is right. But at the same time we had few different sources so maybe?
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Topher
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Think the real competition will be for the 5070 with 16GB instead of 12GB. That's what is attractive to me, at least. But FSR 4 needs to prove to be worth it as well.
AGRacing
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You made my point. How many nvidia buyers will “Wait for AMD”? Less than the other way around. The time to strike is now with a competitive price.
You don’t need reviews. You already know nvidia’s optimistic appraisal of performance. They’re not underselling it. AMD isn’t in the top position… they don’t have the luxury of just waiting. Every 5070 off the shelf was a potential 9070… so launch with if not before the 5070. It’s not rocket science. You don’t want a 5070 buyer thinking “Oh well.. if I knew that Radeon was that close and that much cheaper I would have bought it… but oh well”. That’s a lost sale. Don’t lose sales.
DenchDeckard
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These cards aren't small....I don't understand how they will get them to these lower prices people are hoping for but....I'm here to witness it.
peish
Member
Buckle up
Trump To Tariff Chips Made In Taiwan, Targeting TSMC
The tariffs would ensnare cutting-edge smartphone and PC-related chips for Apple, AMD and Nvidia if enacted. But Trump is betting his plan will bring more chip production to the US.www.pcmag.com
up to 100% tarrifs on TSMC
Ain't no way American foundries are ready to handle bringing everything back to US soil.
Enjoy cheap console and component prices while you can guys, its gonna get ugly.
I think this mostly trump hot air, but i do hope somebody buy over intel foundry and compete with tsmc fast! how hard to make those wafers? Buy big machines from asml, get the recipe of sand to heat right? Deepseek shows american inefficiency by throwing money at the problem
I can see no way out if this trend is not stopped
BeardSpike
Member
Probably because some states in the US have little to no VAT or no VAT tax at all - I'm from abroad so I do know about it very well, 23% VAT tax here
.DoubleClutch
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Leaked benchmarks: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/1028...an-10-slower-rtx-5080-in-4k-gaming/index.html
Less than 10% slower than 5080!
Less than 10% slower than 5080!
Gaiff
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Radical_3d
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AMD: we’re not going for high end cards anymore.
Leaker: new AMD card performs almost as high end card.
Leaker: new AMD card performs almost as high end card.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Said "high-end" card doesn’t perform much better than its predecessor anyway.AMD: we’re not going for high end cards anymore.
Leaker: new AMD card performs almost as high end card.
Radical_3d
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4080 is still pretty much high end and now that AMD has to invest silicon budget on AI acceleration for FSR4 their raster performance isn’t going to be as competitive as before, me thinks.
SolidQ
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it's based on AMD internal slides