MikeM
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Pauvre toi mon ami. Traverse le pont à Ontario?FE but since I’m in Quebec it’s going to be hard.
So it’s going to be Asus or Zotac for me.
The Astral look godly
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GeForce RTX 5090 is $1,999 5080 $999 5070 Ti $749 5070 $549 (Availability Starting Jan 30 for RTX 5090 and 5080)
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Kilau
Gold Member
How can you say that when the 4090 and 4080S have a commanding share of 2% combined in the Steam survey?!?!
OverHeat
« generous god »
Quebec city to Ottawa is a hell of a ride lol
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
MikeM
Member
How do you get around the Quebec restrictions? Buy from the US?Quebec city to Ottawa is a hell of a ride lol
OverHeat
« generous god »
Unfortunately 3rd party sellers aka scalpers
MikeM
Member
Man that sucks. Thanks language police?
OverHeat
« generous god »
Exactly
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Quebec city to Ottawa is a hell of a ride lol
That aint shit unless youve got bad weather
OverHeat
« generous god »
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
I’m not driving 10h for a GPU
You will soldier!
OverHeat
« generous god »
Yes,sir!!!!!
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Ah yes the AMD card that will run modern games at 4k...
SolidQ
Member
oops
wccftech.com
NVIDIA's Blackwell AI Servers Faced With Overheating & Glitching Issues; Major Customers, Including Microsoft & Google, Start Cutting Down Orders
NVIDIA's Blackwell AI servers are facing a supply chain bottleneck as Team Green fails to resolve the overheating and architectural flaws.
wccftech.com
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
More chips going to become available I assume. Prices go down?oops
NVIDIA's Blackwell AI Servers Faced With Overheating & Glitching Issues; Major Customers, Including Microsoft & Google, Start Cutting Down Orders
NVIDIA's Blackwell AI servers are facing a supply chain bottleneck as Team Green fails to resolve the overheating and architectural flaws.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Some more prebuilds at Best Buy
clarky
Gold Member
The upgrade on my laptop is gonna be $5k, I can feel my accountant giving me shit already.Some more prebuilds at Best Buy
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Haint
Member
The 3% for 4090/4080's represents like 6-7 Billion dollars of revenue, the 9% for 4060/4060ti represents like 4 Billion. Its costs around $350 to build a 4080, $450-$500 for a 4090, meaning profit margins are 200%+. 4060/4060ti margins are likely only 40% at best. Similarly people with the highend cards likely spend multiple times more on games and microtransactions. The hign end cards absolutely do dominate the industry in dollars, profit, and spending.
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Corporal.Hicks
Member
After more than 25 years of playing fast-paced FPS games such as Quake and Unreal Tournament, I became very sensitive to input lag. I can tell the difference in input latency between 170Hz VSYNc and 167Hz VRR (VRR cancels VSYNC input lag). DLSS FG increase input latency a little bit, but it's not as big as Vsync input lag on my monitor. In games like cyberpunk that increase in input lag is in placebo territory even for me, so comparisons to "geforce now" clearly suggest to me that wrong settings are to blame.
Nvidia FG can add very high input lag (100ms on top of your base input latency) if you have vsync turned on, or try to limit framerate with RTSS (riva tuner). Some people might use the wrong settings and they will think that DLSS FG is to blame.
I enable DLSS FG in all my games because it always improve image quality (on sample and hold display more fps equals sharper image during motion) and it also improves my aiming, because my eyes can track moving objects much easier. I can play cyberpunk at 40-50fps and have a good time even at such fps (especially on gamepad), but with FG on top of that my aim improved DRAMATICALLY, especially on M+K. The game felt much closer to 80fps than 40fps.
I enable DLSS FG even if I have a decent average fps (80fps), because some games might still dip below 60fps from time to time. Normally, this would bother me, but since I started using DLSS FG, I no longer care about the sub 60 fps dips, because I no longer notice them.
Here's evidence to support my claims.
Cyberpunk at 1440p TAA native + psycho RT. I get 73fps with these settings and 28ms latency (in the top right hand corner of my monitor screen)
The same settings just with DLSS FG (without DLSS super resolution) 124fps and 37ms latency. That's just 9ms more but it made the game look MUCH sharper during motion and I could aim much easier.
Another game BMW
4K DLSS performance, very high settings, fullRT, 57fps and 63ms input latency
With DLSS FG I get 88fps and 54ms. That's 9ms less even compared to FG off, so in this particular game FG offers the best latency possible (because it activates nvidia reflex).
However, not all games have such low input latency with DLSS FG. In Alan Wake 2 I measured additional 20ms input latency with DLSSFG. The game is still perfectly playable on gamepad, but on M+K I started to feel increased input delay (but it's still wasnt "geforce now" bad).
Alan Wake 2, 4K DLSS performance, max settings, fullPT, 75fps and 40ms latency
With DLSS FG 108fps and 60ms latency
Overall I'm very happy with the results of DLSS FG. I can see problems in FSR3 FG and Lossless Scaling FG (people said that LSFG adds very little input lag, but it was still too much for me), but DLSS FG works so well that I consider it a free performance boost and use it in every single game (even in Alan Wake 2).
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
good post. Something I would 100% try and use in few games when I got 5080 or somethingAfter more than 25 years of playing fast-paced FPS games such as Quake and Unreal Tournament, I am very sensitive to input lag. I can tell the difference in input latency between 170Hz VSYNc and 167Hz VRR (VRR canced VSYNC input lag). DLSS FG increase input latency a little bit, but it's not as big as Vsync input lag on my monitor. In games like cyberpunk that increase in input lag is in placebo territory even for me, so comprisons to "geforce now" suggest to me that settings are to blame. Nvidia FG adds unnaceptable lag (100ms on top of your base input latency) if you have vsync turned on, or try to limit framerare with RTSS (riva tuner). Some people might use the wrong settings and they will think that DLSS FG is to blame.
I enable DLSS FG in all my games because it always improve image quality (on sample and hold display more fps equals sharper image during motion) and because it also improves my aiming, because my eyes can track objects much easier. I can play cyberpunk at 40-50fps and have good time (especially on gamepad), but with FG on top of that my aim improves DRASTICALLY. Even if I have a decent fps (80fps), some games might still dip below 60fps from time to time. Normally that would bother me, but sice I started using FG I no longer care about sub 60fps.
Here's evidence to support my claims.
Cyberpunk at 1440p TAA native + psycho RT. I get 73fps with these settings and 28ms latency (in the top right hand corner of my monitor screen)
The same settings, just with 124fps and 37ms latency, just 9ms more but it made the game look MUCH sharper during motion and I could aim much easier.
Another game BMW
4K DLSS performance, very high settings, fullRT, 57fps and 63ms input latency
With DLSS FG 88fps and 54ms. That's 9ms less even compared to without FG, so in this particular game FG offers the best latency possible (because it activates nvidia reflex).
However, not all games have such low input latency with DLSS FG. In Alan Wake 2 I measured additional 20ms input latency with DLSSFG. The game is still perfectly playable on gamepad, but on M+K I started to feel increased input delay (but it's still wasnt "geforce now" bad).
Alan Wake 2, 4K DLSS performance, max settings, fullPT, 75fps and 40ms latency
With DLSS FG 108fps and 60ms latency
Overall I'm very happy with the results of DLSS FG. I can see problems in FSR3 FG and Lossless Scaling FG, but DLSS FG works so well that I consider it a free performance boost and use it in every single game (even Alan Wake 2).
What if you used reflex without FG? Does it feel better for you?
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
What app are you using to measure the latency?After more than 25 years of playing fast-paced FPS games such as Quake and Unreal Tournament, I became very sensitive to input lag. I can tell the difference in input latency between 170Hz VSYNc and 167Hz VRR (VRR cancels VSYNC input lag). DLSS FG increase input latency a little bit, but it's not as big as Vsync input lag on my monitor. In games like cyberpunk that increase in input lag is in placebo territory even for me, so comparisons to "geforce now" clearly suggest to me that wrong settings are to blame. Nvidia FG adds unnaceptable lag (100ms on top of your base input latency) if you have vsync turned on, or try to limit framerare with RTSS (riva tuner). Some people might use the wrong settings and they will think that DLSS FG is to blame.
I enable DLSS FG in all my games because it always improve image quality (on sample and hold display more fps equals sharper image during motion) and it also improves my aiming, because my eyes can track objects much easier. I can play cyberpunk at 40-50fps and have good time (especially on gamepad), but with FG on top of that my aim improves DRASTICALLY. Even if I have a decent fps (80fps), some games might still dip below 60fps from time to time. Normally that would bother me, but sice I started using FG I no longer care about sub 60fps.
Here's evidence to support my claims.
Cyberpunk at 1440p TAA native + psycho RT. I get 73fps with these settings and 28ms latency (in the top right hand corner of my monitor screen)
The same settings, just with 124fps and 37ms latency, just 9ms more but it made the game look MUCH sharper during motion and I could aim much easier.
Another game BMW
4K DLSS performance, very high settings, fullRT, 57fps and 63ms input latency
With DLSS FG 88fps and 54ms. That's 9ms less even compared to without FG, so in this particular game FG offers the best latency possible (because it activates nvidia reflex).
However, not all games have such low input latency with DLSS FG. In Alan Wake 2 I measured additional 20ms input latency with DLSSFG. The game is still perfectly playable on gamepad, but on M+K I started to feel increased input delay (but it's still wasnt "geforce now" bad).
Alan Wake 2, 4K DLSS performance, max settings, fullPT, 75fps and 40ms latency
With DLSS FG 108fps and 60ms latency
Overall I'm very happy with the results of DLSS FG. I can see problems in FSR3 FG and Lossless Scaling FG, but DLSS FG works so well that I consider it a free performance boost and use it in every single game (even Alan Wake 2).
llien
Member
That's datacenter GPUs, very different.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
I always use "Nvidia Reflex" when the game supports it, so when I said that the input latency in Cyberpunk was in placebo territory for me, I was comparing both modes with Reflex on.
Black Myth Wukong is the only exception, as this particular game does not allow me to enable "nvidia reflex" separately. IDK if developers have done it on purpose, but if you want to get the lowest latency possible in BMW, you need to turn on DLSS FG, because only then nvidia reflex will be activated. In some places DLSS FG can have 20ms lower latency compared to FG off. Black Myth Wukong is somewhat laggy, but DLSS FG removes that lag almost completely. I cant imagine playing this game without DLSS FG.
Geforce experience APP. You need to enable hardware monitoring.
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Kilau
Gold Member
That huge and profitable high end gpu market that AMD and Intel can't survive in? Even if it's just that they make shit cards that can't compete, Nvidia and the AIB vendors sure do leave a lot of money on the table by producing so few of those cards.
Even if the cards only have $400-$500 of hardware in them, you can't just ignore the R&D and marketing costs, your thoughts on owners of those spending more on games and DLC is just pure conjecture.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
It’s 500 miles to Ottawa, we have a full tank of gas, half of a pack of cigarettes, it’s dark and we are wearing sunglasses! Hit it!I’m not driving 10h for a GPU
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FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Oof
//DEVIL//
Member
I mean yeah. 10 hours like me going from Ottawa to Toronto is too far for a GPU. by the time I am there I am either ghosted or sold. but if its 2 hours drive like Ottawa to Montreal. then I don't mind doing it. especially on the weekend. take my family for a day trip.I’m not driving 10h for a GPU
Haint
Member
Correct, AMD and Intel can't build 90 class or even 80 class cards at any price, which is why they willingly cede it to Nvidia. They wouldn't sell any units even if they could cause those buyers are the most discerning and 99% would go with Nvidia for the feature set and software support (notably hobbyist AI support). They build so few of them cause they share the same manufacturing capacity as $20,000+ AI GPU's. Nvidia's low end offerings are the lowest end shit it's still semi-economically viable to build, they're 30 class and 50 class cards masquerading as 60 class. Low end buyers are much less discerning and just want the fastest/most playable rasterized frame rates, which gives AMD/Intel the best odds at capturing some market share.
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Hohenheim
Member
These are cheap compared to what similar prebuilds will cost in Europe. Some versions of the 5090 alone will probably cost close to that 5090 pre build.Some more prebuilds at Best Buy
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
I came across these two videos and my mind has now been opened to Nvidia's smoke and mirrors. Surprise surprise - the 5000 series overall sucks.
peish
Member
Nah, it’s such youtubers that suck. Clickbait titles, clickbait faces, zero useful content
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
Clickbait or not, it's difficult to argue with the raw figures.
Overall the 5000 series has been a sideways refresh with a software patch. The 5090 has an increase in performance - with increased power consumption and total price. Rest of the cards? Raster performance is no better than 2 year old GPU.
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Just like I planned lol.
Boss Mog
Member
These cards are a scam. Significant power draw increase with barely any real performance gains, it's all parlor tricks with multi frame gen, which destroys image quality in motion with horrible ghosting and artifacts. I hope the 9070 XT will be aggressively priced so AMD gains some market share versus these garbage cards.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
So a series that has yet to release sucks and saw no improvements? Sure.
ResilientBanana
Member
yet, they will still shit all over AMD's offerings. I'd wait for official benches and not jump the gun here.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I will wait for someone like Gamers Nexus to destroy NVidia if indeed the 5000 series sucks overall
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
When the actual hardware (based on CUDA/shader counts) has such limited improvement over the predecessor, yes
NVIDIA's own charts show the 5080 is a software patch over the 4080.
5090 is likely to be 25-30% faster, but also a 28.9% increase in total draw power.
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CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
Yep awaiting benchmarks - but I don't magically expect a 20% improvement for most of the line up if the hardware is practically the same.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
Skip the video and look at this postImagine trusting this fucking guy to educate you on technology
GeForce RTX 5090 is $1,999 5080 $999 5070 Ti $749 5070 $549 (Availability Starting Jan 30 for RTX 5090 and 5080)
FE but since I’m in Quebec it’s going to be hard. So it’s going to be Asus or Zotac for me. The Astral look godly https://rog.asus.com/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-astral/rog-astral-rtx5090-o32g-gaming/ Pauvre toi mon ami. Traverse le pont à Ontario?
Thebonehead
Gold Member
I
I thought the bogdanoff twins had diedImagine trusting this fucking guy to educate you on technology
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Skip the video and look at this post
GeForce RTX 5090 is $1,999 5080 $999 5070 Ti $749 5070 $549 (Availability Starting Jan 30 for RTX 5090 and 5080)
FE but since I’m in Quebec it’s going to be hard. So it’s going to be Asus or Zotac for me. The Astral look godly https://rog.asus.com/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-astral/rog-astral-rtx5090-o32g-gaming/ Pauvre toi mon ami. Traverse le pont à Ontario?www.neogaf.com
Looks similar to the 4000 series cards, where the 5090 is a very nice jump and the 5080 is not.
At least the 5080 is priced at $999 instead of the $1199 that they asked for the 4080.
rm082e
Member
I've been listening to Jeff for 20 years. I'm not going to say he's wrong, but the degree to which he's implying the additional latency impacts his ability to perform in game compared to his skill level relative to competitive fighting game and FPS players seems out of whack. He's always been a bit above average at both of those genres. Not to say he needs to "deal with it" or anything. I just think the latency introduced by FG is one of those things that some people are going to feel and others aren't. The people who don't feel it just aren't sensitive to it and probably aren't playing a lot of competitive multiplayer games.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
The 4000 was a considerable jump over the previous gen (3000). The 4080 is 25% faster than the 3090 Ti, and 50% faster than the 3080.
The 5080 will likely be 5-10% faster than the 4080 at most. Therefore, $999 is not a good price for the 5080 at all.
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MikeM
Member
Is this graph from Nvidia? I didn’t see anything without RT on it previously.Clickbait or not, it's difficult to argue with the raw figures.
Overall the 5000 series has been a sideways refresh with a software patch. The 5090 has an increase in performance - with increased power consumption and total price. Rest of the cards? Raster performance is no better than 2 year old GPU.
If so, seems normal raster is shit and the upgrades are in RT workloads and frame gen. Zzzzzzzs
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Bojji
Member
Nvidia hides numbers of Blackwell "normal" teraflops for some reason
But you can calculate them. Of course teraflops between generations may or may not be comparable to each other.
We have to wait for reviews (as always).
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
You mean that chart?
33% and 35% in apples to apples comparisons is a software patch?