Parazels
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At 4k@60 Halo 3 is one of the best games in the world! Absolute brilliant, which makes One X and Series X good consoles by default!
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Has the Xbox Series already cemented itself as the worst Xbox generation in history?
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XXL
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You're correct, but I'm not talking about sales.Xbox One sales were strong initially, it wasn’t til Phil took over and made a heap of changes that the gap widened, and Kinect on 360 made it sell better than ever before.
vaibhavpisal
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I dont have a particularly strong opinion about it.
They probably should have rebooted it with Master Chief lost in a new galaxy or something.
But most of Halo story is incomprehensible to me, I wouldn’t know if they have already done that.
BlackTron
Member
Not sure using Halo is a great way to make your case here. The entire running theme with you guys that I'm trying to deconstruct is "it's happening to Xbox, therefore it's happening to everybody." Xbox moved away from that, therefore the games industry has. Nevermind BOTW , narrow in on the weirdly reactive Switch 2 reveal. The age old principle that people get hyped for good ass games and will fight through barriers to play them is unchanging. You know what would happen if GTA dropped as an exclusive title on any console.
vaibhavpisal
Member
BOTW was released at make or break moment for Nintendo.
If such situation arise today, rest assured we will see their games on PC instead of trying to repeat BOTW/ SM Odyssey moment, which can go either way.
Skifi28
Member
Sold them? They announced the studio being closed down and thankfully someone stepped up after the fact and hired them. That's one way of trying to paint a prettier picture I guess.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
Buyer came in late to get best deal possible. (Free).
Just paid for IP and rehired the studio.
Asking MS for studio would have cost them. Thats the way I see it. MS allowed them to buy Hifi Rush IP which is certainly valuable. So I see that as good move on MS part.
Skifi28
Member
They've been releasing disappointing game after disappointing game and the moment they have something great in their hands, by their own admission, they close down the studio and sell the IP, probably for a pittance. I fail to see how that was good for MS. I just can't follow your train of though.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Eh, right… disappointment after disappointment. For you maybe.
I had great time playing Sea of Thieves, Grounded, Gears 5, Halo Infinite…..
Neo_game
Member
I think that is the reason SX is their worst console, it was released during the same time as PS5 and the gap between them is huge. There is no sugar coating this. One X was released later and was 100$ more expensive so was the original Xbox.
How dare you actually enjoy games that the hive mind doesn't approve of!
Someone call in the Kratos avatars to remind this gentleman that "XBOX IS DEAD!"
RetroGamingUK
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vaibhavpisal
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RetroGamingUK
Member
Something isn't adding up here and you know it.
PS5 is ahead of PS4 in the US but not by a huge margin. With Xbox sales down, Sony should have clearly capitalised much more but they haven't.
List of best-selling PlayStation 5 video games - Wikipedia
It used to be a list of 10+ million copies sold, now it's just spider man 2. The PS5 still relies on ps4 software sales.
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Ouch. So much for everyone loving Sony's excluuuuuusives.List of best-selling PlayStation 5 video games - Wikipedia
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It used to be a list of 10+ million copies sold, now it's just spider man 2. The PS5 still relies on ps4 software sales.
RetroGamingUK
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Half of All PlayStation Gamers Are Yet to Upgrade to PS5, Sony Stats Reveal - IGN
With the PS5 entering the second half of its life, figures from Sony indicate around half of all current PlayStation gamers are yet to upgrade to current gen.
Good point- they're struggling to even convert users already in their own ecosystem to the PS5.Half of All PlayStation Gamers Are Yet to Upgrade to PS5, Sony Stats Reveal - IGN
With the PS5 entering the second half of its life, figures from Sony indicate around half of all current PlayStation gamers are yet to upgrade to current gen.www.ign.com
RetroGamingUK
Member
Indeed. PS4 longevity has been incredible.
S0ULZB0URNE
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As they should with as many PS4's sold.List of best-selling PlayStation 5 video games - Wikipedia
It used to be a list of 10+ million copies sold, now it's just spider man 2. The PS5 still relies on ps4 software sales.
BlackTron
Member
But that situation DID arise. They simply tanked a 5 year gen while sitting on their pile of money while planning how to try again. They decided then that guarding their IP was wiser than quick profits. This ethos is why they have the best margins and no debt. It comes directly from Yamauchi and then Iwata.
BlackTron
Member
I'm not saying these are bad games, I'm not saying you are wrong for having a good time playing these games.
But here's some shocking news -the reason Series sales cratered isn't just because they went open platform and you can play it all on PC. It's also because the games aren't system sellers. Going PC to find an audience was an effect of this in addition to being a cause once they started doing it.
Randall365
Member
You’d have to find someone who bought it
vaibhavpisal
Member
Again, what does sales have to do with a system being good or bad?
I dont agree with reviews and awards. I will rate something like Grounded higher than 99% of “system sellers”. Thats why I talked about deconstructing what makes them good.
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BlackTron
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My point is that Xbox doesn't have system sellers. You are still allowed to like it. My friend and I played Towerfall constantly on an Ouya until it came to other platforms. In fact, if it never came to other platforms, I'd have had to get an Ouya myself just for that game...what does that tell you.
Earlier in this thread you said that Nintendo showed up in 2017 with good software at a "make or break" moment, suggesting some sort of correlation between quality and success that could be discerned in advance. Imagine a world for a moment where sony ponies were saying "the only reason Starfield was good is because it came at a make or break moment for Xbox, but nobody is doing that anymore". Yeah I know, you have to imagine really hard, but try.
David B
An Idiot
Well it's a fact that Xbox Series S and X sold the least. So if you factual evidence, Xbox Series X and S generation sold the least amount. To me it's about factual evidence. The original Xbox did fine. Xbox 360 did fine. Xbox One started getting less sales, especial Asia and Europe. Xbox Series S and X, boom sales went way way way down. And because the sales went way way down Microsoft went ok ok, um, let's sell our games across PS and Nintendo now. Oh that's good. So yeah Microsoft gave up pretty much. Microsoft has now become the Sega of gaming. Congratulations Microsoft! You lose, not us.
That's not factual. The Series consoles have already outsold the original Xbox.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Sony
Nintendo
Commerical succes wise? Probably.
Merit wise? Hell the fuck no. The Series brought a lot of innovation to the industry that is underrated. Smart Delivery, Play Anywhere, Backward Compatibility with software enhancements etc. The Series has brought the most consumer friendly policies from a console manufacturer ever and it's not even close. It's a shame that gamers don't demand those policies everywhere.
Merit wise? Hell the fuck no. The Series brought a lot of innovation to the industry that is underrated. Smart Delivery, Play Anywhere, Backward Compatibility with software enhancements etc. The Series has brought the most consumer friendly policies from a console manufacturer ever and it's not even close. It's a shame that gamers don't demand those policies everywhere.
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DenchDeckard
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The series X is an awesome console. MS just fucked the releases for the first 4 years of the consoles lifecycle.
Still, there has been tons of great games to play on Gamepass etc. I know i am in a minority, but I have enjoyed the console for play anywhere.
David B
An Idiot
Oh well, whatever you guys think, I don't really care so much, it's not a competition or anything on these boards. So that's all fine. I just saying along with the Series consoles, Microsoft is a screw up company. Maybe it's different for anyone else, I get that for sure. But for myself Microsoft is a screw up company. Windows over the years and Xbox over the years. Tons of screw ups. Windows errors, black outs, freezes, slow downs, problems, same thing to Xbox consoles for me. I just don't like Microsoft anymore. Windows and Xbox, they've screwed up, slowed down, freezed, errors, problems just keep arizing everywhere on Windows and Xbox over the years on me. I'm tired of all the wreckless problems, so it's just Apple and Sony and Nintendo for me.
BigLee74
Member
What this man said!
The Xbox One was worse in every way imaginable, save for it actually released with some console exclusives. Irreparable damage was done to the brand here at a pivotal time where people were being locked into a digital ecosystem - a mandatory yet useless Kinect, unwanted TV integration over games, and criminally underpowered and ugly hardware.
It's impressive that it wasn't the xbox one that bankrupted the xbox and made it third party, but rather the xbox Series that destroyed the entire xbox, it was Phill's decisions to buy Activision that forced the xbox to make a profit and become third party.
But Phill still managed to cement in people's heads that it was all "Matrick's fault with the xbox one"
Phill managed to convince most people that it was the "legacy xbox one library" that destroyed the xbox series and not Phill's incompetence with a poorly made "more powerful console" that loses in most multiplatforms, it wasn't "Monkey Craig" Infinite that destroyed the brand... It was all "Matrick's fault" on xbox one and not Phill
But Phill still managed to cement in people's heads that it was all "Matrick's fault with the xbox one"
Phill managed to convince most people that it was the "legacy xbox one library" that destroyed the xbox series and not Phill's incompetence with a poorly made "more powerful console" that loses in most multiplatforms, it wasn't "Monkey Craig" Infinite that destroyed the brand... It was all "Matrick's fault" on xbox one and not Phill
Zacfoldor
Member
Of course it is, this is the gen that killed Xbox hardware.
Xbox is in a tight spot. Gamepass kills sales revenue and they have to rely on platforms that generate healthy sales revenue to make gamepass sustainable, but that isn't enough. Game releases(on any platform) that aren't day and date have been dubbed "old" and thus will not sell nearly as well as they could have on competing platforms.
The biggest issues Xbox is facing is also an issue Sony is facing. PC is not the savior you want it to be.
MS wants to drop Xbox hardware but they can't. Gamepass is their bread and butter and gamepass cannot survive on PC alone. Unlike console gamers, PC gamepass players are very smart. They only buy when they are actively playing gamepass, cancel in between, stack years worth of cheap gamepass, and refuse to pay full console gamepass prices. They are fickle and lower in number. They do not care about Xbox. Gamepass on PC is a classic race to the bottom strategy. Not a good sign for a business folks.
So MS needs to keep Xbox around another gen so they can work on changing the landscape on PC to make it viable for gamepass.
Sony too is seeing that PC is not he savior MS bragged about it being in court. When Sony was going full GAAS I'm sure it seemed like all games going to PC were inevitable, but Sony's GAAS plan has been slapped down by gamers. Furthermore, Fairgame$ is still on the way, so the public beatdown of the gaas initiative is not over, but the initiative itself is. Sony's single player games on PC, meanwhile, have all flopped, hurt the reputation of Sony, and hurt the IP of every SP Sony game so far released on PC. PC gamers refuse to allow additional logins, launchers, higher prices, effective DRM, and most importantly they view any Sony game that previously released on PS5 as "old". PC gamers have made it very clear they will not pay full price for "old" single player games.
Because Sony can't go day and date on PC their SP games on PC will never see success and eventually they will revert them back to exclusives only playable on Sony's own console. MS is in no position and indeed has no need to do this since they are already day and date, their games aren't "old" to PC gamers and they have an advantage releasing SP games on PC. An advantage Sony can't afford. Even with this advantage, we have seen MS flounder on PC, putting into question if the platform itself is as valuable for AAA SP games as we once thought. It seems the PC crowd is less inclined to pay 70 dollars for a single player remake without online features than console gamers and that they tend to prefer older games, mmo, gaas vs the high production value cinematic sp experiences offered in modern AAA console gaming. They are VERY cognizant when a game has released on another platform first and will not value that game if the PC release is an afterthought. At least not unless your name is GTAVI.
Nintendo releasing on PC would be an even bigger disaster, opening them up to much more severe reputation damage from their actions controlling their walled garden, but also their tech level/game file size is so low and easy to emulate and their haters so plentiful, revenge/protest-emulation would open up a new generation to easy videogame piracy and the campaign to destroy Nintendo would grow exponentially and uncontrollably the day a current Nintendo AAA SP game released on PC. We would be lucky if they even developed games by the end of that fantasy. Nintendo would do well to stick to their own consoles and only their own consoles. Let Sony and Xbox be a lesson.
Xbox is in a tight spot. Gamepass kills sales revenue and they have to rely on platforms that generate healthy sales revenue to make gamepass sustainable, but that isn't enough. Game releases(on any platform) that aren't day and date have been dubbed "old" and thus will not sell nearly as well as they could have on competing platforms.
The biggest issues Xbox is facing is also an issue Sony is facing. PC is not the savior you want it to be.
MS wants to drop Xbox hardware but they can't. Gamepass is their bread and butter and gamepass cannot survive on PC alone. Unlike console gamers, PC gamepass players are very smart. They only buy when they are actively playing gamepass, cancel in between, stack years worth of cheap gamepass, and refuse to pay full console gamepass prices. They are fickle and lower in number. They do not care about Xbox. Gamepass on PC is a classic race to the bottom strategy. Not a good sign for a business folks.
So MS needs to keep Xbox around another gen so they can work on changing the landscape on PC to make it viable for gamepass.
Sony too is seeing that PC is not he savior MS bragged about it being in court. When Sony was going full GAAS I'm sure it seemed like all games going to PC were inevitable, but Sony's GAAS plan has been slapped down by gamers. Furthermore, Fairgame$ is still on the way, so the public beatdown of the gaas initiative is not over, but the initiative itself is. Sony's single player games on PC, meanwhile, have all flopped, hurt the reputation of Sony, and hurt the IP of every SP Sony game so far released on PC. PC gamers refuse to allow additional logins, launchers, higher prices, effective DRM, and most importantly they view any Sony game that previously released on PS5 as "old". PC gamers have made it very clear they will not pay full price for "old" single player games.
Because Sony can't go day and date on PC their SP games on PC will never see success and eventually they will revert them back to exclusives only playable on Sony's own console. MS is in no position and indeed has no need to do this since they are already day and date, their games aren't "old" to PC gamers and they have an advantage releasing SP games on PC. An advantage Sony can't afford. Even with this advantage, we have seen MS flounder on PC, putting into question if the platform itself is as valuable for AAA SP games as we once thought. It seems the PC crowd is less inclined to pay 70 dollars for a single player remake without online features than console gamers and that they tend to prefer older games, mmo, gaas vs the high production value cinematic sp experiences offered in modern AAA console gaming. They are VERY cognizant when a game has released on another platform first and will not value that game if the PC release is an afterthought. At least not unless your name is GTAVI.
Nintendo releasing on PC would be an even bigger disaster, opening them up to much more severe reputation damage from their actions controlling their walled garden, but also their tech level/game file size is so low and easy to emulate and their haters so plentiful, revenge/protest-emulation would open up a new generation to easy videogame piracy and the campaign to destroy Nintendo would grow exponentially and uncontrollably the day a current Nintendo AAA SP game released on PC. We would be lucky if they even developed games by the end of that fantasy. Nintendo would do well to stick to their own consoles and only their own consoles. Let Sony and Xbox be a lesson.
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Balducci30
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Xbox one easily was worse
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