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[EN250]

Xbone had legit games the first few years, series did not.

Ok, it also had a fucking camera that reported directly to the NSA, that made it better?

It also "had" a Tomb Rider game moneyhatted for a few months that didn't benefited anyone, because the core TR fandom was always on PlayStation

And the deal made with EA for Titanfall sealed the fate of that franchise, by the time T2 released (worst release time also didn't favor it) no one cared about it

Ryse was a pretty tech demo same way KZ Shadow Fall was a pretty tech demo of that time

PS4 was just the better system from the start

 

[Sooner]

XB One in my opinion. I always thought the dashboard absolutely sucked. Also the whole kinect/tv fiasco.

It was the worst launch, for sure. But the nose dive Xbox has taken since the launch of Series S/X is unmatched.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Xbox One was worse because the hardware sucked and it was the beginning of the long and ugly death of the Xbox brand. Series X hardware seems fine, although I have never used one.

 

[DavJay]

Hardware wise, it's the best. Funny how that worked out for them and then you see Nintendo's success.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Xbone had legit games the first few years, series did not.

What games? The problem is it had maybe 3 quality exclusives release in the first few years.

On launch they had a shit Dead Rising game, a shit Forza Motorsport game, Killer Instinct, and a tech demo with Ryse. They got Titanfall the following March which is great, and Forza Horizon 2. You could count Halo MCC which is a great game now (if you ignore the rampant cheating and exploits which make me stay away from MP) but it released so bad that it's legit one of the worst launches of all time. They also got Sunset Overdrive which is probably the most underrated game of that entire gen for Xbox.

The other problem with the Xbox One generation for Microsoft is that their flagship series were shit that gen. I mentioned MCC being a travesty for years, Halo 5 is better left ignored, Gears went from a 9 to a 6, and Forza Motorsport was mostly stagnant. Forza Horizon was really their only game that flourished on Xbox One IMO.

I might legit be forgetting some of them so I'm legit curious which games you are talking about. I played a ton of Xbox One up until they really started doing the Play Anywhere stuff which is when I started to fall off.

PS4 had better hardware, cheaper hardware, and a better slate of games overall pretty quickly.

I don't know why people mention the Xbox one X. How many people do you think owned one?
It didn't change perception. Or sales numbers.

I owned one but I'm the only one in my friend group that had one. I bought the Xbox One day 1, the Xbox One S day 1, and the One X day one.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

What games? The problem is it had maybe 3 quality exclusives release in the first few years.

That’s better than Series consoles, which was my point

 

[T0minator]

I voted for Xbox One because I literally has ZERO urge to ever buy one. Like it never crossed my mind. The line up pretty much the entire time was weak and predictable. At least with the Series X I had an urge to buy one and I did but then I eventually sold it to my cousin because I didn't use it as often as I thought I would.

With Xbox games going to PS5 and Nintendo the remainder of this generation may go downhill for them but at least I considered buying a Series X ...Xbox One was a fail imo

 

[hououinkyouma00]

That’s better than Series consoles, which was my point

I mean that's definitely true. Mediocre games is better then no games.

 

[DanielG165]

Sales wise, perhaps, but in terms of hardware and games (currently), no. The Series X is genuinely one of the nicest home media devices/pieces of tech I’ve personally ever owned.

 

[archangelmorph]

How could anyone not think Xbox Series is far and away the worst generation of any console ever…

The entire run to-date could be characterised as:

1. Launch the console w/ lots of promises
2. Launch no first party exclusives for about ~2.5 years
3. Ruin Halo
4. Pump millions into “The Initative”. Fail and shutter it
5. Panic and start buying all the 3rd party publishers
6. Panic and release all the games on PC day and date
7. Panic and give all the games away for tuppence and halfpenny via Gamepass
8. Panic and abandon the console entirely; doing a Sega, whilst trying to pretend they’re not doing a Sega.

 

[Sooner]

When will we get the "Has the Switch 2 already cemented itself as the worst Switch console in history?" thread?

 

[FalconPunch]

No need to elaborate further.

Xbox fans will continue to blame the past for their current failures in an attempt to assign responsibility to Spencer and co. Keep in mind that Spencer was head of Xbox Game studios when this debacle happened and likely supported the decision.

It's almost like people like to pretend that Nintendo didn't go through a worse generation than Xbox One ever went through with the Wii U and came bouncing right back with the Switch. Lets not forget the Gamecube sales disaster which they recovered from with the Wii. The amount of L takes in this thread are laughable. Xbox One was bad but it's not the reason why Xbox is in this situation it is today. Xbox has continually made garbage after garbage decisions that will almost certainly kill Xbox as we know it today.

It started with launching a whole next gen console with no next get must play first party games. Launching multiple Xbox series sku's to "win" the power narrative prevented them from being able to cost reduce the device effectively. Launching a whole new generation with 0 innovation. The same UI, the same controller with no refinements, the most boring looking console hardware ever. I could go on and on about why Xbox series is by far the worst console generation ever from Microsoft. Now that the few exclusives it has are going to PS5 and switch, it literally has no reason to exist....

 

[demigod]

Xbox fans will continue to blame the past for their current failures in an attempt to assign responsibility to Spencer and co. Keep in mind that Spencer was head of Xbox Game studios when this debacle happened and likely supported the decision.

It's almost like people like to pretend that Nintendo didn't go through a worse generation than Xbox One ever went through with the Wii U and came bouncing right back with the Switch. Lets not forget the Gamecube sales disaster which they recovered from with the Wii. The amount of L takes in this thread are laughable. Xbox One was bad but it's not the reason why Xbox is in this situation it is today. Xbox has continually made garbage after garbage decisions that will almost certainly kill Xbox as we know it today.

It started with launching a whole next gen console with no next get must play first party games. Launching multiple Xbox series sku's to "win" the power narrative prevented them from being able to cost reduce the device effectively. Launching a whole new generation with 0 innovation. The same UI, the same controller with no refinements, the most boring looking console hardware ever. I could go on and on about why Xbox series is by far the worst console generation ever from Microsoft. Now that the few exclusives it has are going to PS5 and switch, it literally has no reason to exist....

Even Sony bounced back from the PS3 era. Xbox Series was supposed to make a comeback per the shills but now that they are going 3rd party, it’s back to blaming Don Mattrick.

I wish we could unban OsirisBlack and ask him what he was smoking when he said Xbox had the better exclusives coming into this gen.

 

[HoodWinked]

Xbox One was worse, they completely destroyed the momentum of the Xbox 360.

It was Masterful how they managed to orchestrate such a failure of a launch.

-Weaker Hardware, but costed $100 more
-DRM PR disaster
-Didn't even manage to release early, launched 6 days after PS4
-Launched only in US, UK, Aussie, other smaller markets (took almost a full year to release worldwide like in some markets like Japan)
-Physically much bigger than the PS4
-XB1 Console UI was slow and laggy because they had to integrate alot of stuff no one wanted (poor optimization likely due to having to focus last minute changes on stripping out the DRM stuff)
-Cant understate, significantly weaker console but was more expensive
-There wasn't anything that the XB1 did better

 

[Topher]

Xbox One was worse, they completely destroyed the momentum of the Xbox 360.

It was Masterful how they managed to orchestrate such a failure of a launch.

-Weaker Hardware, but costed $100 more
-DRM PR disaster
-Didn't even manage to release early, launched 6 days after PS4
-Launched only in US, UK, Aussie, other smaller markets (took almost a full year to release worldwide like in some markets like Japan)
-Physically much bigger than the PS4
-XB1 Console UI was slow and laggy because they had to integrate alot of stuff no one wanted (poor optimization likely due to having to focus last minute changes on stripping out the DRM stuff)
-Cant understate, significantly weaker console but was more expensive
-There wasn't anything that the XB1 did better

Nice summary. The design was also ill-timed. Microsoft clung to the motion control fad that had already passed in the prior gen and promoted Xbox One as the "TV TV TV" device in a world where many homes were moving away from cable and into the streaming age of entertainment.

 

[Neo_game]

Even Sony bounced back from the PS3 era. Xbox Series was supposed to make a comeback per the shills but now that they are going 3rd party, it’s back to blaming Don Mattrick.

I wish we could unban OsirisBlack and ask him what he was smoking when he said Xbox had the better exclusives coming into this gen.

I do not think Sony has done any better TBH but I guess 60fps option and SSD has probably helped them and create illusion that most games are next gen this time. People are I guess fine with it. Apart from Astro bot games they barely made any worth while exclusives.

Xbone had it troubles and poor messaging but still sold around 50million. At this rate SX won't even reach 25million.

 

[XXL]

Xbox One was worse, they completely destroyed the momentum of the Xbox 360.

I mostly agree, but Kinect was the real beginning of the end for Xbox. It was fool's gold. It destroyed the momentum of the 360 (after the initial sales explosion of Kinect) and led to alot of the decisions that resulted in Xbox One.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Even Sony bounced back from the PS3 era. Xbox Series was supposed to make a comeback per the shills but now that they are going 3rd party, it’s back to blaming Don Mattrick.

I wish we could unban OsirisBlack and ask him what he was smoking when he said Xbox had the better exclusives coming into this gen.

Yep. Phil had ages to fix the systemic problems, and he didn't.

If they were producing world class first party games then it would sell their consoles if they were exclusive. Problem is they haven't done that since the Xbox 360 era, where Halo and Gears really defined that generation and captured the sales zeitgeist.

Remember that Aaron Greenberg tweet about Halo outselling the combined Sony first party titles including GoW3, UC2, etc? Well, they lost their way. Lack of innovation. Lack of studio competency and oversight. Lack of compelling new IP. Losing Bungie really hurt them. Imagine if Destiny were Xbox exclusive, it could have defined the Xbox One generation and made it much more competitive with PS4

 

[Fess]

How could anyone not think Xbox Series is far and away the worst generation of any console ever…

The entire run to-date could be characterised as:

1. Launch the console w/ lots of promises
2. Launch no first party exclusives for about ~2.5 years
3. Ruin Halo
4. Pump millions into “The Initative”. Fail and shutter it
5. Panic and start buying all the 3rd party publishers
6. Panic and release all the games on PC day and date
7. Panic and give all the games away for tuppence and halfpenny via Gamepass
8. Panic and abandon the console entirely; doing a Sega, whilst trying to pretend they’re not doing a Sega.

Some of that started last generation, I remember PlayStation fans going on about playing MS exclusives on PC and Gamepass was also there last generation.

But I agree on your conclusion. This generation is where the platform dies so that has to be the worst generation.

Last generation also ended with Xbox One X, a great mid gen update, which made fans hopeful for the future.
This generation they didn’t even bother doing an update. I doubt a mid gen update would’ve changed much but it’s no doubt going to be bizarre scenario to see all upcoming MS games run better on PS5 Pro than Series X, especially when they do day 1 ports which is going to be the norm now.

 

[Hudo]

I'd argue Xbox One was where Microsoft lost the "console war". It was a crucial generation to lose since it was the generation where both Sony and MS started to lock people into their digital ecosystems.

 

[bitbydeath]

I mostly agree, but Kinect was the real beginning of the end for Xbox. It was fool's gold. It destroyed the momentum of the 360 (after the initial sales explosion of Kinect) and led to alot of the decisions that resulted in Xbox One.

Xbox One sales were strong initially, it wasn’t til Phil took over and made a heap of changes that the gap widened, and Kinect on 360 made it sell better than ever before.

 

[Calverz]

Xbox one. It even close. Although the one x was a massive upgrade but came too late.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

I would say this is best Xbox generation ever.

GAF is simply in xbox criticism mode ad nauseum. Everyone criticise it just to fit in.

Its a phase of social media that will go away in a few years hopefully.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

I would say this is best Xbox generation ever.

GAF is simply in xbox criticism mode ad nauseum. Everyone criticise it just to fit in.

Its a phase of social media that will go away in a few years hopefully.

And Microsoft have don’t nothing to cause this…

 

[Moses85]

Let it speak for itself

 

[Skifi28]

I would say this is best Xbox generation ever.

GAF is simply in xbox criticism mode ad nauseum. Everyone criticise it just to fit in.

Its a phase of social media that will go away in a few years hopefully.

I think the only thing going away in a few years is Xbox itself.

 

[drganon]

I would say this is best Xbox generation ever.

GAF is simply in xbox criticism mode ad nauseum. Everyone criticise it just to fit in.

Its a phase of social media that will go away in a few years hopefully.

 

[Astray]

I wouldn't call it the worst Xbox gen, but it definitely wasn't good enough to make any difference to Xbox's trajectory as a platform.

There's a reason they're on their 2nd pivot in a single gen.

 

[Alan Wake]

What games? The problem is it had maybe 3 quality exclusives release in the first few years.

On launch they had a shit Dead Rising game, a shit Forza Motorsport game, Killer Instinct, and a tech demo with Ryse. They got Titanfall the following March which is great, and Forza Horizon 2. You could count Halo MCC which is a great game now (if you ignore the rampant cheating and exploits which make me stay away from MP) but it released so bad that it's legit one of the worst launches of all time. They also got Sunset Overdrive which is probably the most underrated game of that entire gen for Xbox.

The other problem with the Xbox One generation for Microsoft is that their flagship series were shit that gen. I mentioned MCC being a travesty for years, Halo 5 is better left ignored, Gears went from a 9 to a 6, and Forza Motorsport was mostly stagnant. Forza Horizon was really their only game that flourished on Xbox One IMO.

I might legit be forgetting some of them so I'm legit curious which games you are talking about. I played a ton of Xbox One up until they really started doing the Play Anywhere stuff which is when I started to fall off.

PS4 had better hardware, cheaper hardware, and a better slate of games overall pretty quickly.


I owned one but I'm the only one in my friend group that had one. I bought the Xbox One day 1, the Xbox One S day 1, and the One X day one.

One X was a premium product for sure and I loved it. But I wonder how many they actually sold. And to be fair the One S was good enough (and as stated many times it should have been the launch model).

 

[BlackTron]

How could anyone not think Xbox Series is far and away the worst generation of any console ever…

The entire run to-date could be characterised as:

1. Launch the console w/ lots of promises
2. Launch no first party exclusives for about ~2.5 years
3. Ruin Halo
4. Pump millions into “The Initative”. Fail and shutter it
5. Panic and start buying all the 3rd party publishers
6. Panic and release all the games on PC day and date
7. Panic and give all the games away for tuppence and halfpenny via Gamepass
8. Panic and abandon the console entirely; doing a Sega, whilst trying to pretend they’re not doing a Sega.

People applauded this.

 

[BlackTron]

I would say this is best Xbox generation ever.

GAF is simply in xbox criticism mode ad nauseum. Everyone criticise it just to fit in.

Its a phase of social media that will go away in a few years hopefully.

Mental illness or monetary compensation

 

[Nikodemos]

I picked 360, because the entire 1st production run was faulty and would inevitably self-destruct. Shit game selection is one thing, but your device having a hard expiration date is pretty bad.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Parazels no appreciation for the great Sega games on that thing?

 

[Parazels]

Parazels no appreciation for the great Sega games on that thing?

I like Virtua Fighter, Shenmue, Valkyria Chronicles and House of the dead. I enjoyed Sega Genesis.

I wish I could try Virtua Cop, Virtua Racing, Sega Rally and Daytona USA.

But I'm not a fan of Sega, nevertheless.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Mental illness or monetary compensation

Legit question.

Why are we cheering on Nintendo that forces me to play their games on an underpowered tablet?

Outside of benefit of a corporation. How does that benefit me as a player?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Legit question.

Why are we cheering on Nintendo that forces me to play their games on an underpowered tablet?

Outside of benefit of a corporation. How does that benefit me as a player?

Because they make great games more than any other company?

Why do you cheer on a corporation that’s introduced and pushed some of the scummiest business practises and buys up studios only to reduce their quality of output out or shut them down entirely?

 

[BlackTron]

Legit question.

Why are we cheering on Nintendo that forces me to play their games on an underpowered tablet?

Outside of benefit of a corporation. How does that benefit me as a player?

I think it's mental illness or monetary compensation to say this is the best Xbox gen, having owned them all except the One myself. I don't know what Nintendo has to do with that other than as an attempt to derail the thread. Or maybe it really is your honest opinion, and you just thought Hellblade was THAT good

 

[Drell]

Xbone was a failure from day one, it was bad decisions one after another being revealed during and after that cursed showcase.

At least series X was seen as the most powerful of the current gen and they abandonned that "TV" nonsense. It is bad because MS cares more about buying the whole industry than trying to have attractive exclusives on its own plateform but the hardware in itself seemed good at least.

 

[Edmund]

Shoutout to the power king.

|OT| - |OT| Xbox Power King Memes

Rather than fill up *every* thread with gloating memes ... let’s just do it here so not every PlayStation fan has to endure the suffering of their personal embarrassment in all places at all times.

www.neogaf.com

My god. That Lort guy sounds like an insufferable prick. Just reading the first page made me cringe so hard.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

My god. That Lort guy sounds like an insufferable prick. Just reading the first page made me cringe so hard.

Oh god that last page.

If only they knew how it was all going to turn out

 

[Horseganador]

If you start reading threads from 2020 now, you have no choice but to laugh at how it all ended, they didn't get a single one right.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Why do you cheer on a corporation that’s introduced and pushed some of the scummiest business practises and buys up studios only to reduce their quality of output out or shut them down entirely?

“Scummy business practice” is open for debate. I dont think gamepass is a scam. Whats not debatable is, studios they purchased improved their output.

Double Fine: Psychonauts 2 is best game they have ever made

Tango: Hi Fi Rush is best game they ever made. They sold them so that evens it out.

Obsidian: Pentiment wouldn’t have been made without MS support. And Avowed is incoming. Lets see how that turns out. Am confident in its quality.

Machine Games: Just released a game in same genre as Uncharted/ Tomb Raider with adventure + exploration as main element. Step forward for genre. No watered down game here.

I think it's mental illness or monetary compensation to say this is the best Xbox gen, having owned them all except the One myself. I don't know what Nintendo has to do with that other than as an attempt to derail the thread. Or maybe it really is your honest opinion, and you just thought Hellblade was THAT good

They are going open platform. One can play their games on high end pc and enjoy high end features.

Indiana Jones already proof of this. It features path tracing on pc that leaves already powerful Series X into dust.

Nothing is being held back.

So, best generation ever from them.

 

[Rentahamster]

What was the last true must have xbox game?

Halo 3 probably. The hype for most other exclusives don't seem as impactful after that.

 

[Rentahamster]

That thread is a graveyard. Half the people posting there got perma banned or stopped posting.

Wow I forgot Miyazaki hates Kojima was a thing.

 

[deriks]

It's kinda wierd nowadays, but One takes the cake for sure

 

[REDRZA MWS]

My pick is Xbox One since it was the start of many self-owns that got them to where they are today.

 

[BlackTron]

They are going open platform. One can play their games on high end pc and enjoy high end features.

Here is the critical difference. During Xbox 360 people wanted the games so bad, they were willing to buy additional Xbox consoles no matter how many had RROD'd out of their own known botched design.

If you're going by how high we can crank the resolution, of course today is going to win. Are we talking about that or game releases?

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Here is the critical difference. During Xbox 360 people wanted the games so bad, they were willing to buy additional Xbox consoles no matter how many had RROD'd out of their own known botched design.

If you're going by how high we can crank the resolution, of course today is going to win. Are we talking about that or game releases?

That happened because games were hyped.

Games industry has moved away from that. Look at how Halo Infinite side stepped major plot point at end of Halo 5. There will be no Halo 2-> Halo 3 type of moment.

Also look at Switch 2 reveal, and the way Sony reveals their games.

 

[PropellerEar]

I would say this is best Xbox generation ever.

GAF is simply in xbox criticism mode ad nauseum. Everyone criticise it just to fit in.

Its a phase of social media that will go away in a few years hopefully.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

That happened because games were hyped.

Games industry has moved away from that. Look at how Halo Infinite side stepped major plot point at end of Halo 5. There will be no Halo 2-> Halo 3 type of moment.

Also look at Switch 2 reveal, and the way Sony reveals their games.

I'm gonna say it Halo should have ended after Reach.