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Has the Xbox Series already cemented itself as the worst Xbox generation in history?

What’s Microsoft’s worst generation?

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Topher

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FoxMcChief said:
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serious joe pesci GIF
 
Codes 208

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lachesis said:
XBOX One is the worst gen - they pretty much lost all the momentum coming in from 360 days. Big f'up - and I don't think Xbox as a brand has ever really fully recovered from it.
Series S/X situation is partly to blame for that.
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Yeah actually, the Xbox series S/X are a symptom, not a cause.

Gen 8 is when they shot themselves in the foot (and the focus on cross platform sales started here too)
 
James Sawyer Ford

James Sawyer Ford

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Clearly Xbox Series Consoles are by far the worst ever, let's look at some facts:
  • Xbox Series consoles are the worst selling Xbox in history (exception of the OG). Well below both Xbox One and Xbox 360

  • Xbox One had a much better launch window lineup, with AAA exclusives like Ryse, Sunset Overdrive, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Killer Instinct, Quantum Break, Rare Replay, Halo, MCC, Gears 4, Halo 5, etc in the first 3 years. Xbox Series consoles have had an absolutely abysmal lineup of exclusives in comparison in the first three years. Halo Infinite, Forza Horizon 5, Redfall, Starfield. It launched with ZERO MS first or second party games.

  • The hardware is not as great as some claim. On paper it's supposed to be more powerful than PS5, but yet it's not. The design of the console likely meant that it cost a lot more to build than the PS5 due to the chip size, but it's basic and has no major innovations. The SSD is slower than PS5. The performance in most games is worse than PS5. The controller is cheaper and doesn't have any innovative features. The UI is still largely the same and does not feel elegant at all. It's just a carbon copy extension of the Xbox One for the most part outside of some features like multiple game states.

  • The sales collapse of the Xbox is simply because it's not a must-have device. If you want a console, PS5 has been a much more obvious choice from the start due to the innovations made and the strength of its exclusive lineup in comparison, with many major hitters for PS5 early in the generation that spans SpiderMan, God of War, Horizon, Gran Turismo, and Final Fantasy. Halo Infinite just didn't stand a chance especially after what has happened to the brand.
Should be quite obvious why it failed so badly, the choice this gen was simple for the vast majority of consumers. And the collapse of Xbox into a third party brand now easily cements the Xbox Series consoles as the worst in their history, it literally was the demise of their brand. It wasn't a foregone conclusion either, a stronger exclusive lineup of games earlier on could have been much more competitive. But too little too late. The first party sitatuion was let to rot for years without any serious attempts to fix things, and hence why Phil was on a massive buying spree of studios to try and catch up.
 
Space Runaway

Space Runaway

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For sure. Xbox One faceplanted out the gate but over time it did stabilize itself enough that people were still up for another Xbox.

Series doesn't have any truly compelling exclusive software and is a arguably pointless if you own a PS5 or PC. Plus it has put Xbox in a situation where they may be no further consoles...and most are fine with that.
 
clarky

clarky

Gold Member
James Sawyer Ford said:
Clearly Xbox Series Consoles are by far the worst ever, let's look at some facts:
  • Xbox Series consoles are the worst selling Xbox in history (exception of the OG). Well below both Xbox One and Xbox 360

  • Xbox One had a much better launch window lineup, with AAA exclusives like Ryse, Sunset Overdrive, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Killer Instinct, Quantum Break, Rare Replay, Halo, MCC, Gears 4, Halo 5, etc in the first 3 years. Xbox Series consoles have had an absolutely abysmal lineup of exclusives in comparison in the first three years. Halo Infinite, Forza Horizon 5, Redfall, Starfield. It launched with ZERO MS first or second party games.

  • The hardware is not as great as some claim. On paper it's supposed to be more powerful than PS5, but yet it's not. The design of the console likely meant that it cost a lot more to build than the PS5 due to the chip size, but it's basic and has no major innovations. The SSD is slower than PS5. The performance in most games is worse than PS5. The controller is cheaper and doesn't have any innovative features. The UI is still largely the same and does not feel elegant at all. It's just a carbon copy extension of the Xbox One for the most part outside of some features like multiple game states.

  • The sales collapse of the Xbox is simply because it's not a must-have device. If you want a console, PS5 has been a much more obvious choice from the start due to the innovations made and the strength of its exclusive lineup in comparison, with many major hitters for PS5 early in the generation that spans SpiderMan, God of War, Horizon, Gran Turismo, and Final Fantasy. Halo Infinite just didn't stand a chance especially after what has happened to the brand.
Should be quite obvious why it failed so badly, the choice this gen was simple for the vast majority of consumers. And the collapse of Xbox into a third party brand now easily cements the Xbox Series consoles as the worst in their history, it literally was the demise of their brand. It wasn't a foregone conclusion either, a stronger exclusive lineup of games earlier on could have been much more competitive. But too little too late. The first party sitatuion was let to rot for years without any serious attempts to fix things, and hence why Phil was on a massive buying spree of studios to try and catch up.
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Its all about the games, James.

What bell end launches a console with zero games? Answers on a postcard.

Imagine the switch 2 launching with nothing for nigh on 2 years?
 
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ShadyAcshuns

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clarky said:
Hard disagree on this one.

OG Xbox one had some fantastic games, NG, PGR, Forza, Rainbow Six, Halo, Splinter Cell JSRF plus many many more. Also had the best online at the time and the Duke fit my massive hands perfectly.

For me OG Xbox and 360 are tied then distant 3rd the Xbone and dead last the Series. Its all about the games and despite the X being their best effort at hardware the software falls catastrophically short.
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I agree it had good games, I still have mine. Looking at the whole picture though, imo it ranks last: 360>SeriesX/S>One>Xbox.
 
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Three

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I think the Xbox one generation was bad but the Xbox Series generation was even worse. Third party devs started to skip Xbox with Series S. For all of Xbox one's problems it at least didn't lose third party support as badly and then have the games that it had go to other consoles making it completely redundant.
 
Durin

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Nah, Xbox One was worse, because their game output was worse.

This gen started out slow enough though that I think it will cascade to them ending poorly in consoles sales, but we're already seeing better games from them because of the volume of acquisitions, and Game Passs is good value.

I'd even argue their bad position now is still an aftershock of them going gung-ho on TV and not owning physical games with Xbox One's launch, on top of not really innovating like they did with the 360.
 
SkylineRKR

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Yeah you do need to go quite far back to pick a game you would absolutely need an Xbox for.

They used to have them in spades; Halo, PGR, the experimental Sega games, KOTOR, Splinter Cell... Then on 360 obviously Gears of War, Halo 3, Dead Rising, Forza and stuff like Bioshock, Oblivion and Mass Effect was on Xbox first. But since then I struggle to come up with something. They fucked up so much, Gears of War 4? it was okay ish. Halo 4? I hated it. Killer Instinct is a good one, but it wasn't all that complete when it first launched. The support it got is ace though.

And they can't catch a break. They secure Bethesda, which means they have Starfield, and the game quite sucks. Yeah. Almost everything they do turns to shit. Now chances are Doom and Indy will be best on PS5 Pro.
 
Spitfire098

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Nah this is the best xbox generation, if you game on the other two consoles. While the phil meat riders were going on about "BuT PlAyEr NuMbErS" it turns out people weren't buying the console..🤣.
 
MayauMiao

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Series is the worst because of the 2 SKUs performance confusion. No one could tell if Series is a step up or down from Xbone due to the inferior S.
 
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m14

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clarky said:
Its all about the games, James.

What bell end launches a console with zero games? Answers on a postcard.

Imagine the switch 2 launching with nothing for nigh on 2 years?
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Flight Sim and Forza Horizon 5 both released within the first year of the Series X/S. And Halo Infinite was released just over a year after the consoles were.
 
Saber

Saber

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Xbox? What Xbox?
They became so irrelevant as a console that you couldn't even remember exactly when they were cemented as a good generation. Like, even xbox360 wasn't actually that good, it was just taking advantage of how ridiculously bad PS3 was. Though I admit there were certain great games on 360, I give yah that.
 
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HogIsland said:
this is revisionism. xbox live was a breakthrough in the 2nd half of og and especially on 360. MS practically set the standard for all the features Sony only caught up to on ps4.

also xbox 360 didn't just benefit from sony fuckups, it had an incredible library in its first 3 years.
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I've seen a lot of people try and even say ps3 was better than 360 these days lol. As someone who waited for a launch PS3 THEN bought a 360...360 was on another level and cheaper.

Every third party game ran better on 360 and more importantly had better xbox live features. I mean PS3 didn't even have trophies for years and even then it was a fucking shitshow. Do you remember syncing trophies?

360 is probably my favourite gen.
 
EruditeHobo

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Only thing I know for sure is that Xbox and 360 are so far in front in terms of quality that those lagging behind can't even see them for the curvature of the earth...

I didn't own XB1, nor XSX. Haven't felt like I've missed much of anything not owning either of them.
 
YeulEmeralda

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SkylineRKR said:
Yeah you do need to go quite far back to pick a game you would absolutely need an Xbox for.

They used to have them in spades; Halo, PGR, the experimental Sega games, KOTOR, Splinter Cell... Then on 360 obviously Gears of War, Halo 3, Dead Rising, Forza and stuff like Bioshock, Oblivion and Mass Effect was on Xbox first. But since then I struggle to come up with something. They fucked up so much, Gears of War 4? it was okay ish. Halo 4? I hated it. Killer Instinct is a good one, but it wasn't all that complete when it first launched. The support it got is ace though.

And they can't catch a break. They secure Bethesda, which means they have Starfield, and the game quite sucks. Yeah. Almost everything they do turns to shit. Now chances are Doom and Indy will be best on PS5 Pro.
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Bethesda was supposed to be a big win for them. But it hasn't exactly panned out.
 
Ritsumei2020

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In my opinion, both Series and PS5 have been disappointing, compared to what came before.

Switch however I think its better than both WiiU and 3DS, in terms of the console itself and games.
 
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Ritsumei2020

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EruditeHobo said:
Only thing I know for sure is that Xbox and 360 are so far in front in terms of quality that those lagging behind can't even see them for the curvature of the earth...

I didn't own XB1, nor XSX. Haven't felt like I've missed much of anything not owning either of them.
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XB1X is good console to have for backward compatible 360 games.

The problem is that so many games are not backward compatible, like half of my disk collection or more.
 
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Durin said:
Nah, Xbox One was worse, because their game output was worse.

This gen started out slow enough though that I think it will cascade to them ending poorly in consoles sales, but we're already seeing better games from them because of the volume of acquisitions, and Game Passs is good value.

I'd even argue their bad position now is still an aftershock of them going gung-ho on TV and not owning physical games with Xbox One's launch, on top of not really innovating like they did with the 360.
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"Their" output doesn't matter though. The One had better and more releases in general . It doesn't matter that Doom is now owned by MS vs Doom releasing on Xbox One under Zenimax. It would have had those anyway.
 
clarky

clarky

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m14 said:
Flight Sim and Forza Horizon 5 both released within the first year of the Series X/S. And Halo Infinite was released just over a year after the consoles were.
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Halo CE was released on the same day as the OG Xbox. If you think Forza tourist and flight sim compare then you are a fool.
 
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m14

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clarky said:
Halo CE was released on the same day as the OG Xbox. If you think Forza tourist and flight sim compare then you are a fool.
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I wasn't commenting on the quality of the games, just the incorrect claim that they released "nothing for nigh on 2 years":
clarky said:
Imagine the switch 2 launching with nothing for nigh on 2 years?
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And what was the PS5's killer app at launch? Spider-Man Miles Morales? 🤷‍♂️
 
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