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How Do People Think That The Order: 1886 Will Turn Out?
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XxRampage07xX
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And also imo
No review embargo => Promising review score
Have review embargo => Worrying review score
No review embargo => Promising review score
Have review embargo => Worrying review score
Thank Knack!
And I can see The Order with a 75-80 Metacritic score, and average love on Neogaf.
Well, based on this thread you could argue that a lot of the top things people on here dislike as gaming lexicons, are likely intrinsic to The Order's fundamental design ethos. No idea why that is. I suppose it's just differences in taste, though it could also partly be some resentment over the popularity and success of games like Uncharted, Last of Us, Gears of War, Call of Duty etc. Who really knows?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=106384667&postcount=470
One's that apply to The Order.
20 - Epic (Probably)
20 - Hardcore (Maybe?)
20 - Visceral (Definitely)
19 - Immersion/Immersive (Definitely)
14 - Cinematic (Ding Ding Ding!)
That said, from that thread you could also surmise that everyone just hates everything lol.
Haha...it's sad how accurate this posts read.
The Order review thread will be a shit show for sure. The only question is how much of a graveyard it will be.
loaf of bread
Member
And also imo
No review embargo => Promising review score
Have review embargo => Worrying review score
I assume you mean day one embargo, because almost all games have some sort of embargo in place for reviews.
Aces&Eights
Member
Ahh, I'm sure there are those who will try and be sneaky but we both know in the end it will be a graveyard. There are just too many people who hate the game even though it has not released because "reasons". They are going to have a hard time refraining from showing their true colors. We are not allowed to enjoy something that attempts to break the mold of killstreaks and death matches. God forbid we get a game that tells a great story and allows the end user to become slowly engrossed as the plots unfold. Heavy Rain and Beyond Two Souls were made by Satan don't ya know.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Ah yes, Derrick-syndrome.
Not OP, but the demos have been mostly focused on the human combat. A lot of the Lycan stuff, and the game in general, hasn't been shown much. Most events the same demo was shown. Until PSX and that leaked stock footage, most of what we've had to work with has been the same alley-way shootout demo.
No active reload
A.I. was fairly poor in the primary demo in shown at the majority of events. Basically just stood there and took the shots. I know some people found the weapon handling odd, though I think that was mostly due to some misunderstandings on how the Thermite Gun operated.
Gears also had a certain flow and pacing to it that isn't quite matched so far from what we've been shown with The Order 1886. Doesn't help that Gears of War was something of its own when it came out and The Order is coming after many takes on the genre/style since then.
However, what I saw in the stock footage was improved from all fronts. A.I. was more reactive. Gunplay looked like it handled well. Once all that is actually shown to the public instead of the old builds and cutscenes, I think things will turn around to those willing to give the game a chance.
nelsonroyale
Member
It is the inconsistency of the media that I find rather dubious. For instance, their pandering on stuff like AC. Huge scale games, with extremely little evolution in the formula and the last one was one of the buggiest games released in recent years. AC Unity and BF4 should have been absolutely panned in reviews in my opinion considering the state in which they were released. DC was rightly punished for its incomplete release (although seems to have made considerable strides since according to many here), but AC Unity and BF4 got off too lightly I feel.
I usually enjoy these cenimatic, story-driven type games, but I can see The Order being one of those games I pick up, playthrough once or twice then forget about (especially since Bloodborne launches shortly after). It'll probably be an easy platinum too. Your typical playthrough on normal then hard while you collect all the artifacts you missed on the first playthrough. Then after that, there is nothing else the game has to offer.
Anyways, I think it will launch to "meh" impressions then fade away soon after. I hope I'm dead wrong . Maybe The Order will be a great game that builds a solid foundation for a sequel. The lore looks like it would allow for different time periods.
Anyways, I think it will launch to "meh" impressions then fade away soon after. I hope I'm dead wrong . Maybe The Order will be a great game that builds a solid foundation for a sequel. The lore looks like it would allow for different time periods.
XxRampage07xX
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I mean the same kind as The Crew and Unity's embargo
It's probably going to score a sub 80 on metacritic with the consensus that "Gameplay wise, it doesn't revolutionize." Then I'm going to have to hear about how much the reviewers got it wrong and how good the "Simcade" controls feel or whatever. I'll eventually buy it for $35, only to discover the game is boring shit.
What the hell kind of comment is this.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I'm not going into this expecting anything revolutionary, I'm just expecting a fun, and pretty TPS. If it ends up being that, then I'll be a happy camper. If not, well I'll live and learn.
Lakershead22
Member
I'm going to play it but review wise I think it's going to get mediocre scores at best.
It'll sell well at least, it's quite high in pre-order charts and PS4 exclusives have shown they don't need to be amazing to sell high numbers.
An honest one?
An honest one?
I don't need a game to reinvent the wheel, just tell a good story and don't let the gameplay get in the way.
Really though I don't for a second understand the negativity that surrounds this game. Folks calling it a QTE-simulator when the majority of content they have shown had been player action. Aspect ratio was an interesting choice, but it seems to have worked from the videos. Acting and writing look top notch.
Really not sure what else RAD needs to deliver on.
Really though I don't for a second understand the negativity that surrounds this game. Folks calling it a QTE-simulator when the majority of content they have shown had been player action. Aspect ratio was an interesting choice, but it seems to have worked from the videos. Acting and writing look top notch.
Really not sure what else RAD needs to deliver on.
Sorry but buying a game you know is going to be boring as shit is fucking stupid.
We'll see in six months!
I don't think they knows it's going to boring, that's just their expectation, they probably hope it surprises them and turns out great
No no, I won't be buying it thinking it's boring shit. Initially I will be put off by the reviews, but by the time it goes on sale for $35 I will have read enough positive Neogaf posts about the game that I'll think "Y'know, maybe this time they're right. Maybe this time the game really DOES have a classical feel with perfect controls and masterful pacing."
AND THEN I'LL FIND OUT THAT THEY'VE BEEN BULLSHITTING ME AGAIN.
I hope it is excellent, RAD deserved the chance to make a huge console game and this is it. The Order is basically the cinematic gaming theory brought to its conclusion. Years of gaming have tip toed around being like movies and this is the first outside of Heavy Rain to really bet the farm on it. I hope its an experiment that works out in the end, because it really is a game taking a ton of chances in its presentation and world. New IP, actual film camera design, widescreen framing, emphasis on cinematics, honestly the third person gameplay is the only thing "safe" about this game.
I think I will personally love/like it. Never had a problem with cinematic gaming when it is done well (Uncharted 2, Journey, Heavy Rain). QTEs can actually be fun when implemented properly (Asura's Wrath, God of War). And a third person shooter is a tried and true gameplay type.
So Im going to wait and see on impressions and watch some reviews, but Im genuinely excited for the game. At the very least the art direction is insanely strong and well realized and that is enough to get me interested.
I think I will personally love/like it. Never had a problem with cinematic gaming when it is done well (Uncharted 2, Journey, Heavy Rain). QTEs can actually be fun when implemented properly (Asura's Wrath, God of War). And a third person shooter is a tried and true gameplay type.
So Im going to wait and see on impressions and watch some reviews, but Im genuinely excited for the game. At the very least the art direction is insanely strong and well realized and that is enough to get me interested.
Yeah 7 or 8 from me. I played on hard though which was a lot of fun compared to the original difficulty.
Not entirely sure, but I think he's upset most people on GAF are really enjoying Driveclub, whilst he isn't, and feels duped somehow. At least that's the gist I got based on that post of his anyway. So if people really enjoy a game on GAF, don't believe them? I wonder if it's the same sentiment when GAF really dislikes a game….hmmm…
Personally I'm more likely to believe GAF opinions over journalist opinions, but that's just me.
thank knack
Maybe you should not be a fucking lemming. If the reviews convince you then leave it at that if you have been duped before.
that sounds like a bit much. you think its aspect ratio is "the cinematic gaming theory brought to its conclusion?" i feel like your comparison to Heavy Rain is a bit off the mark, there. Heavy Rain's connections to film are much more tenable than this, it seems.
anyway i hope it does well.
But prwxv3, this time around they'll really mean it when they say that the game is actually masterfully designed around gameplay principles that are pure and untarnished from modern influences like "Innovation" and "Content" or "Level Flow." On hard, it will be the Dark Souls of third person shooting. Because it's hard!
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I think I'll like it.
Love Deterrence
Member
Will probably be hot garbage.
Or great!
Who knows? ;-)
I don't know -- looks cool to me. Certainly a pretty game. I want to try it out for the visuals and storytelling alone. Not sure what the game is about; just hoping for something new, something blue.
Or great!
Who knows? ;-)
I don't know -- looks cool to me. Certainly a pretty game. I want to try it out for the visuals and storytelling alone. Not sure what the game is about; just hoping for something new, something blue.
Because by the dev's very own admission the design of the game was story + presentation > gameplay, which is similar to Heavy Rain.
You've played Heavy Rain?
Droopaloop
Banned
As a person who has less and less time for playing games as I get older; I think this game may be right up my alley just by the rumors of it being relatively brief alone. I find myself completing much fewer games than I start today as I used to.
Plus The Order looks stunning. I'm assuming that it'll have a story that is strong enough to suit my own needs. I'm optimistic. Even if it does happen to be a disappointment critically, I'll probably end up purchasing it. I mean I enjoyed Ryse for what it was, not what people expected it to be. I think it will be the same for The Order in terms of my personal enjoyment.
Plus The Order looks stunning. I'm assuming that it'll have a story that is strong enough to suit my own needs. I'm optimistic. Even if it does happen to be a disappointment critically, I'll probably end up purchasing it. I mean I enjoyed Ryse for what it was, not what people expected it to be. I think it will be the same for The Order in terms of my personal enjoyment.
Yup, story and presentation definitely took precedence over the 'gameplay' there.
What aspects of the gameplay do you think could have been improved to tell the game's story better? What games do you think tell this type of story better? I seeing more an arbitrary approach at throwing > or < signs without any thought at something that is drastically different than your conventional "gameplay". And we would have to define conventional gameplay first to even go there. Poor Grim Fandango.
Here's a quote from the Game Director
"I think story and visuals are very high. Gameplay is something that... it's a game, we make games, we can't get around it. We love games, but we also love telling stories, so I think story is always going to be at the top because it's what we start with."
Plus they've said numerous times that they have made it look the way it does, 30fps, black borders etc, to improve the look as much as possible to tell their story.
I'm not complaining about this approach, I'm all for story centered games.
It's just that for me, nothing they've shown regarding the 'story' has looked interesting, everything seems dull or fairly by the book, i'm sure they're keeping lots of things hidden but for now the story doesn't look amazing.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Have you seen the stock footage that leaked around the time that PSX was going on? Seemed to have some political stuff going on that seemed interesting despite it being broken up so much. Not sure how it's all by-the-books otherwise, but there were some things in there that put the game in a more positive light in my eyes.
I don't have a link unfortunately, and not sure if it's still live since it wasn't supposed to be available to us.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
Prediction:
The normal shooter segments would be uneventful, at best it'll have Uncharted set pieces. The unique guns might be the saving point.
The 'horror' segments would be more memorable, greatest strength being the atmosphere. The worst part is if just a 'cinematic' experience.
I expect it to be only 1/3 of the game.
Total game time, at worst 6 hours. At best, 12 hours. The Evil Within lasted 19 hours for me, on average it took most people 15-17 hours. And It's a single player only game like this.
The normal shooter segments would be uneventful, at best it'll have Uncharted set pieces. The unique guns might be the saving point.
The 'horror' segments would be more memorable, greatest strength being the atmosphere. The worst part is if just a 'cinematic' experience.
I expect it to be only 1/3 of the game.
Total game time, at worst 6 hours. At best, 12 hours. The Evil Within lasted 19 hours for me, on average it took most people 15-17 hours. And It's a single player only game like this.
Mmm, politics.