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[Mr Moose]

Nice factual evidence provided there.

Typical.

Ok let's make this simple.

Can anyone provide hard evidence of ps5 sales outselling pc worldwide on a title?

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[DenchDeckard]

Your initial statement was that PC GAME(S) sell better than their PS5 counterparts. I asked for multiple games and all you presented was a flimsy, one region, response about Elden Ring (which did NOT prove it outsold the PlayStation version(s) worldwide - something you KNEW we meant). It’s no coincidence that you are the only one in this entire exchange that struggled.

So, it’s not this site, it’s you!

What i attempted to start a discussion around in the beginning is that software sales are falling on co sole/ps5 and pc is growing. So there was a reason why the ign guy made this comment and asked the question.

Saying ps5 console sales are plummeting was hyperbole though.

Now, we have evidence of publishers such as capcom saying pc is outselling console combined.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

It's not a "minuscule" thing though; IGN have a long history of bias and favoritism towards Xbox, and when you've got people like Ryan McAssfery and (until recently) Destin Lebakery, both rather hardcore Xbox fanboys, working for the outlet in a professional capacity, that bias & favoritism tends to turn into FUD and negativity towards Xbox's perceived enemy. Which for generations, has been PlayStation.

With that type of history and people among the company, it's no wonder they write headlines like this as if to insinuate Xbox's problems are PlayStation's problem, or that PlayStation is going through the same level of problems as Xbox. Ironically, that fits directly in with talking points Philnochio Spencer started putting out among game media outlets early last year. The idea that Xbox's death spiral in the console market isn't the responsibility of Microsoft Gaming or Phil making years of horrible mistakes, but that it's simply the industry itself declining. And with that, this equally stupid idea that Microsoft are going to lead the industry doing some incredibly novel, forward-thinking platform strategy to "save gaming" while being 10 years ahead of Sony and Nintendo.

When the actual truth is, Phil and the rest of Microsoft Gaming don't want to admit that they're the reason Xbox as a traditional console is basically dead, don't want to admit that getting greedy and buying massive 3P publishers both gave any sort of relevance to Microsoft Gaming while at the same time guaranteeing they become a 3P publisher. Don't want to admit that they are basically a 3P publisher the same way SEGA ended up becoming, but purchased enough major IP and are a big enough company to try distracting from the fact they are basically pulling a SEGA.

As for IGN, I don't even need to say much else about them. They're a has-been website filled with professional shills and hacks, and the only two people gaming-wise over there I have respect for are NXGamer and John Linenmann (you know, since IGN acquired Eurogamer which basically owns Digital Foundry. Great :/). And I guess I have some respect for Rich from their Saturn magazine days but that's about it. He isn't far off from Alex, who we know is a complete Xbox/PC fanboy and you don't even have to look at the secret Discord stuff where he and buddies coordinated FUD against PS5 to know that.

IGN are irrelevant.

Best post of the subject of IGN and paid shills I’ve seen on this forum yet.

There’s no Nintendo or PlayStation equivalent on the site and never has been.

Remember the podcast they did when they tried to downplay the difference between 1080p and 720p when the first Xbox One games came out?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

What i attempted to start a discussion around in the beginning is that software sales are falling on co sole/ps5 and pc is growing. So there was a reason why the ign guy made this comment and asked the question.

Saying ps5 console sales are plummeting was hyperbole though.

Now, we have evidence of publishers such as capcom saying pc is outselling console combined.

Of course they’re growing on PC.

We’ve gone from PS3+360 and PS4+One having combined player bases of 170 million to PS5+Series having a player base of around 100 million.

And we all know who’s responsible for that don’t we, the useless company that shat the bed in the console market.

Microsoft have given barely anyone a reason to buy the Series consoles, so no omens buying both consoles this generation. Why a Series S/X when you already have a PS5, zero fucking point.

 

[Mr Moose]

Best post of the subject of IGN and paid shills I’ve seen on this forum yet.

There’s no Nintendo or PlayStation equivalent on the site and never has been.

Remember the podcast they did when they tried to downplay the difference between 1080p and 720p when the first Xbox One games came out?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Oh god, esRAM, the secret sauce

I get why people became fanboys of Xbox during the Xbox and Xbox 360 days, but anyone who had that much love for them after that is clearly mentally ill.

That goes for Ryan, Destin, TimDog, Jizz, ColtEastwood, Rand_al_Thor and all the other horsegimps.

Sane people saw Microsoft’s bullshit during E3 2013 and told them to shove it.

 

[HogIsland]

What i attempted to start a discussion around in the beginning is that software sales are falling on co sole/ps5 and pc is growing. So there was a reason why the ign guy made this comment and asked the question.

Saying ps5 console sales are plummeting was hyperbole though.

Now, we have evidence of publishers such as capcom saying pc is outselling console combined.

that makes no sense. capcom makes console games. resident evil is a console franchise. plus we know pc gamers only pirate games and don't spend money. they probably got their numbers mixed up.

 

[DenchDeckard]

For blops 6:
US- https://in.ign.com/call-of-duty-bla...ps-6-sparks-xbox-game-pass-subscription-surge
UK - https://www.gamesindustry.biz/drago...-as-call-of-duty-claims-no1-uk-monthly-report

If Steam and Battle.net report sales to GFK and Circana then I'll accept this. Thanks.

 

[Katajx]

What i attempted to start a discussion around in the beginning is that software sales are falling on co sole/ps5 and pc is growing. So there was a reason why the ign guy made this comment and asked the question.

Saying ps5 console sales are plummeting was hyperbole though.

Now, we have evidence of publishers such as capcom saying pc is outselling console combined.

PC is growing in a different way than consoles and has a lot of its own market.

The AAA flops is what this is referring to. People aren’t buying up the slop at the rate that they used to.

It’s great to have the new customers from opening up to PC, but we are far and away from some of these narratives trying to be pushed in the media.

There is still a strong desire for physical media in the market.

It’s true that the landscape has been changing, but there are so many series and publishers that are predominantly successful on console.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

What i attempted to start a discussion around in the beginning is that software sales are falling on co sole/ps5 and pc is growing. So there was a reason why the ign guy made this comment and asked the question.

Saying ps5 console sales are plummeting was hyperbole though.

Now, we have evidence of publishers such as capcom saying pc is outselling console combined.

Growing on PC and “outselling the PS5 versions” are not 1:1 statements.

 

[HogIsland]

How dare ShiftUp say this when they don't have any bar graphs:

Stellar Blade's PC sales expected to exceed console, says Shift Up

Stellar Blade developer Shift Up expects the forthcoming PC release of its action game to exceed sales of the console r…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[zedinen]

[PS5 HW] Nine Months Ended December 31, 2024

[USA] ~4.57 m (-10% YoY)

[EUR] ~3.04 m (-21% YoY)

[JAP] ~0.96 m (-44% YoY)

-----------------------------

TOT ~8.57 m (-20% YoY)

EUR (2023 and 2024 w/o UK & GER)

[LTD] Launch Aligned

[USA] PS5 ~24.64 m / PS4 ~23.00 m

[CHI] PS5 ~3.0 m / PS4 ~1.5 m

[IND] PS5 ~0.5 m / PS4 ~0.4 m

-----------------------------------

[JAP] PS5 ~6.51 m / PS4 ~6.68 m (PS5 had like a 1 million sales lead)

[EUR] PS5 ~22.0 m / PS4 ~29.7 m (PS4 peaked in 2018, PS5 in 2023)


EUR (with UK & GER)

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Best post of the subject of IGN and paid shills I’ve seen on this forum yet.

There’s no Nintendo or PlayStation equivalent on the site and never has been.

Remember the podcast they did when they tried to downplay the difference between 1080p and 720p when the first Xbox One games came out?

That was a legendary one xD. And you're right; IGN have no PS or Nintendo fanboys. I'd prefer if they didn't have any fanboys period, but if you're going to have Xbox ones hired to do work for you, at least balance it out.

So between stuff like that and them trying to buy out all the other major gaming outlets (inevitably influencing them with their platform biases and agendas too), I just strongly dislike IGN. They'll never get another click from me.

 

[OuterLimits]

Xbox sales are indeed plummeting. For whatever reason though Sony isn't benefiting a ton as the sales of PS5 aren't better than PS4. It will be interesting to see if GTA 6 causes a significant sales spike for consoles, or if most interested in the game have already purchased the systems.

My guess is a decent spike will occur but not to the degree Take Two CEO would like. Probably should try to release on PC ASAP honestly.

 

[Topher]

Xbox sales are indeed plummeting. For whatever reason though Sony isn't benefiting a ton as the sales of PS5 aren't better than PS4. It will be interesting to see if GTA 6 causes a significant sales spike for consoles, or if most interested in the game have already purchased the systems.

My guess is a decent spike will occur but not to the degree Take Two CEO would like. Probably should try to release on PC ASAP honestly.

They would be better off delaying the Xbox version and releasing it to PC and PS5 day one.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Xbox sales are indeed plummeting. For whatever reason though Sony isn't benefiting a ton as the sales of PS5 aren't better than PS4. It will be interesting to see if GTA 6 causes a significant sales spike for consoles, or if most interested in the game have already purchased the systems.

My guess is a decent spike will occur but not to the degree Take Two CEO would like. Probably should try to release on PC ASAP honestly.

Eh, I expect things to be fine. Besides, PS5 is selling like it is at a MUCH higher price than the PS4 was at this point. That it’s close is a good thing, particularly as Sony is in a better financial position as well.

As Topher said, cutting out the Xbox version and going PC Day 1 would probably yield better results.

 

[Hookshot]

When are Sony's next financials?

 

[Synastry]

When are Sony's next financials?

Thursday FEB 13

 

[Woopah]

it's coming from the precipitous drop in PS5 sales and low forecasts directly from Sony.

nobody denying the reality of ps5's plummeting sales have posted a single "cold hard number".

But Sony hasn't forecast a low number, they have forecast a high number (18 million). They could miss the forecast and have 17 million it would still not be a low number.

Will PS5 decline YoY from here on out? Yes, but that's what happens with every console and there's nothing unusual about that. There is no "precipitous drop" or "plummeting sales". It would be like someone in 1998 saying "nobody is denying the reality of PS1's plummeting sales."

PS5 is down double digit percentage YoY and is now tracking behind PS4 worldwide. A double digit dip is the definition of plummeting. Xbox though, plummeting is being nice, that system is straight up cratering.

With that said, people thinking GTA6 is going to save the console market are in for a rude awakening. There will be a bump, sure, but no one is having record setting quarters. There's already over 65 million PS5s out there, the market has already begun to capture a lot to the casual user base five years into the gen. There isn't tens of millions of people still stuck on PS4 and XB1 waiting for GTA6 to buy the next console.

If PS5 is plummeting, then so has pretty much every single console ever. It wasn't a problem for many of them and it isn't a problem for the PS5.

“Incorrectly” - yet, you showed nothing that refuted what @Mibu no ookami stated.

ELDEN RING….. yeah, one game. What were its sales? What about the many others that sold better on PS5? This is what people mean. You cherry pick then act like someone is unfairly attacking you. Instead of playing the victim, back up your words.

Edit: https://levvvel.com/elden-ring-statistics/

All I’ve found, and it suggests Elden Ring sold more on PS4/5 than PC or Xbox. Refutable? Let’s see it.

Nice factual evidence provided there.

Typical.

Ok let's make this simple.

Can anyone provide hard evidence of ps5 sales outselling pc worldwide on a title?

Different games sell differently on different platforms. Often times we don't know too much as publishers don't reveal platform breakdowns.

Here's some examples from the 2020 Capcom leaks:

Monster Hunter World

PS4 - 8.6m
PC - 5.9m

Okami HD

Switch - 600k
PC - 536k
PS3 - 529k
PS4 - 445k
X1 - 121k

Ace Attorney Trilogy

Switch - 462,395
PC - 245,339
PS4 - 103,235
Xbox - 4,821

DMC V

PS4 1.7m
PC 1.1m
X1 324k

For Elden Ring specifically, at the end of 2022 it was:

Elden Ring PC- around 10m or so
Elden Ring PS5-3.64m
Elden Ring X/S-3.04m
Elden Ring PS4-2.67m

 

[Pasta la Vista]

I think it will definitely be the game that will move people to current gen if they are still on last gen at this point.

 

[mayham2199]

FWIW, Rockstar has only ever released two (I'm counting the remastered trilogy as one game for this point in making since it was a collection) 60fps GTA games on console ever since GTA 3 on PS2. One of them (GTA Trilogy) was a remake of the PS2 trilogy that was targeting Switch/PS4 and was able to run at 60fps on PS5. The other was a remaster/port of a PS3 game that was able to run at 60fps on PS5 (GTAV).

I just don't think we are getting a 60fps GTA6 on console at all this gen (even with Pro) considering Rockstars history of GTA and frame rates on consoles. Could it run at 60 if it was scoped that way from the beginning? Probably. But I doubt Rockstar scoped the game to be 60fps for this gen. They'd want to scope it as a 30fps game this gen so the game still looks damn impressive when the inevitable 60fps PS6 version comes around in four years or so.

Yea but couldn't you say this for most developers? Anything above 30 FPS on console only became the standard this gen.

 

[Zacfoldor]

GamesIndustry.biz presents… The Year In Numbers 2024

Tis the season to be jolly pouring over pie charts, bar graphs, tables and any other statistics we can throw at you.

www.gamesindustry.biz

PC isn't running away with anything, ever. Be careful believing the tagline that PC is a salvation to the industry. The press has already announced that is their propaganda goal this year. IMHO the reason for this is to reduce our power to effect game releases. "No more Rare Incel Victories without consoles, chuds!" they might say. It's dumb and won't work but they are trying to fight back.

PC's biggest issue is that PC gamers won't buy new AAA SP games at full price if they are not day and date on PC.

PC gamers also will not pay the same price as Xbox customers for the same Gamepass service.

It seems that PC gamers won't buy new SP AAA games at full price unless they are day and date on PC, otherwise they are considered "old."

There are also genre differences in the preference of the average PC gamer vs console gamer, for example PC gamers are much more partial to survival games.

Another thing wrong with PC gamers is they will not buy games more than once. Even if they are remasters or remakes. They feel the devs should just update the original game for free. In fact, few PC gamers even play games released within the last 12 months. Usually they play older games or their favorite game.

I'm not sure why the industry thinks PC is a big pot of gold waiting to be cracked open. You are PC gamers, are you not, what is incorrect about the above assumptions? If we do go day and date will you start buying Sony games like we do on Playstation?

As a PC gamer do you feel like you could be bilked for more money easily? Do you feel like there is a large amount of untapped money in the PC fanbase that Sony and Microsoft can get from you in some way, using only single player games? I don't.

 

[TheTony316]

"Plummeting PS5 sales" lmao.

Looks like the anti PS5 Discord leak is real.

 

[Viruz]

It's not a "minuscule" thing though; IGN have a long history of bias and favoritism towards Xbox, and when you've got people like Ryan McAssfery and (until recently) Destin Lebakery, both rather hardcore Xbox fanboys, working for the outlet in a professional capacity, that bias & favoritism tends to turn into FUD and negativity towards Xbox's perceived enemy. Which for generations, has been PlayStation.

With that type of history and people among the company, it's no wonder they write headlines like this as if to insinuate Xbox's problems are PlayStation's problem, or that PlayStation is going through the same level of problems as Xbox. Ironically, that fits directly in with talking points Philnochio Spencer started putting out among game media outlets early last year. The idea that Xbox's death spiral in the console market isn't the responsibility of Microsoft Gaming or Phil making years of horrible mistakes, but that it's simply the industry itself declining. And with that, this equally stupid idea that Microsoft are going to lead the industry doing some incredibly novel, forward-thinking platform strategy to "save gaming" while being 10 years ahead of Sony and Nintendo.

When the actual truth is, Phil and the rest of Microsoft Gaming don't want to admit that they're the reason Xbox as a traditional console is basically dead, don't want to admit that getting greedy and buying massive 3P publishers both gave any sort of relevance to Microsoft Gaming while at the same time guaranteeing they become a 3P publisher. Don't want to admit that they are basically a 3P publisher the same way SEGA ended up becoming, but purchased enough major IP and are a big enough company to try distracting from the fact they are basically pulling a SEGA.

As for IGN, I don't even need to say much else about them. They're a has-been website filled with professional shills and hacks, and the only two people gaming-wise over there I have respect for are NXGamer and John Linenmann (you know, since IGN acquired Eurogamer which basically owns Digital Foundry. Great :/). And I guess I have some respect for Rich from their Saturn magazine days but that's about it. He isn't far off from Alex, who we know is a complete Xbox/PC fanboy and you don't even have to look at the secret Discord stuff where he and buddies coordinated FUD against PS5 to know that.

IGN are irrelevant.

Great and informative post you should apply for a job at ign

"...you don't even have to look at the secret Discord stuff where he and buddies coordinated FUD..."
Never heard of this but it doesn't surprise me. Is there a thread here or some screens about it?

 

[Vroadstar]

He's not. He's a green rat who desperately tries to pretend he's one, when he's not pretending to be neutral.

Dench has revealed his true colors—an opportunistic rat who conveniently flip-flopped to the PC stance the moment his cherished console took a beating. Yet, when his blatant hypocrisy is pointed out, he masquerades as 'Mr. Neutral.' So transparent.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Ya see every screen is an Xbox, and if the PS5 is an Xbox but Xbox is failing, that means PS5 also failing. Shit I guess that means Switch and PC too. It’s all failing!

 

[onQ123]

Ok, I understand you guys wanting to defend Sony here...but lets try having a conversation not looking at Sony who are reporting the best revenue etc, that you guys use as defence.

Now let's look at the concern from publishers, who are seeing the console market shrink and sales of titles reducing. Sony sequels not growing, titles not selling as much on console as they used to. It doesn't matter to the publisher of GTA if Sony is making the most revenue of every gen. They care about seeing the sales numbers reduce and PC gaming growing in sales. That's why these questions are coming up. It's not just Xbox flatlining. Customers are not buying millions of copies of games for third party published titles on PS5. Not more than last gen. Its reducing. are you just choosing to ignore that?

If you want to discuss that fact, I am open to it. We actually know that the PS5 was outselling the PS4 launch aligned, so the pandemic helped its sales. People were spending well over the MSRP for the console and demand was at an unattainable height outside the worldwide phenom of the pandemic.

I want to talk about facts that we know right now, not hopes and dreams of the future.

Didn't you report someone & got them banned for trolling?

You're either delusional or trolling

They are not defending Sony they're being logical & you're being an ass just to be an ass
You deserve the same ban that you placed on someone else because you're doing the same thing

 

[Klayzer]

Didn't you report someone & got them banned for trolling?

You're either delusional or trolling

They are not defending Sony they're being logical & you're being an ass just to be an ass
You deserve the same ban that you placed on someone else because you're doing the same thing

His act is becoming increasingly tiresome.