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[HeWhoWalks]

Thread says some miniscule negative thing about Sony

The usual Gaffers:

No different than the usual Gaffers who defend it.

 

[ArtHands]

Thread says some miniscule negative thing about Sony

The usual Gaffers:

One of the most entertaining things here is watching console fanboys trying to resist the discussion over the console market, that hasn’t been growing for generations.

 

[Kacho]

Thread says some miniscule negative thing about Sony

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Lmao

 

[Topher]

Thread says some miniscule negative thing about Sony

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[Vroadstar]

One of the most entertaining things here is watching console fanboys trying to resist the discussion over the console market that hasn’t been growing for generations.

Brace yourselves! Arthands is about to drop a bombshell thread on "plummeting PS5 sales" thanks to an insightful article from IGN. Better grab your popcorn, folks!

 

[bitbydeath]

One of the most entertaining things here is watching console fanboys trying to resist the discussion over the console market that hasn’t been growing for generations.

 

[ArtHands]

Brace yourselves! Arthands is about to drop a bombshell thread on "plummeting PS5 sales" thanks to an insightful article from IGN. Better grab your popcorn, folks!

I don’t think that’s needed. Seeing the publishers proclaiming that and then watching the reactions is funny enough.

 

[Laptop1991]

What does Strauss Zelnick have to worry about, he has GTA under his belt, it cannot fail, it's an irrelevant point and statement.

 

[drganon]

I don’t think that’s needed. Seeing the publishers proclaiming that and then watching the reactions is funny enough.

Not as funny as the bullshit you spew on a regular basis.

 

[Astray]

The funniest part of the shit IGN does is watching it fail miserably and consistently this gen.

Have these fucks ever been right about anything on the industry this gen?

 

[Robb]

Take-Two Boss Unconcerned by Plummeting PS5 and Xbox Sales, Insists GTA 6 Will Cause 'A Meaningful Uptick in Console PS5 Sales' in 2025

There we go.

 

[Goalus]

Thread says some miniscule negative thing about Sony
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Excellent summary.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Notice how he said what's actually more important, i.e. he knows that isn't what the article about, but he is taking the time to say how misinformed the article is.

Not only is Sony well within reach of the PS4, they're actively making much more money than the PS4 generation. Sony could at any point they wanted reduce the price of the PS5 to sell more units and hasten the pace against the PS4. They're actively not doing that, because they're confident games like GTA6 will sell the same units at a higher price.

The conversation about the pace between the PS5 and PS4 are going to be hilarious after GTA6 hits the market, because Sony will likely close the gap, and people will move the goalposts and say well it needed GTA6 to do it.

So close to the ps4 with literally 0 competition isn't a big flex i don't think. How close to the ps4 worldwide are they?

 

[Topher]

So close to the ps4 with literally 0 competition isn't a big flex i don't think. How close to the ps4 worldwide are they?

Worldwide.....2 million and some change. So are PS5 sales plummeting or is this simply not a "big flex"? And how is it you and others disregard the point about price over and over so readily? All this effort just to fabricate this narrative that Xbox ain't alone in its misery.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

So close to the ps4 with literally 0 competition isn't a big flex i don't think. How close to the ps4 worldwide are they?

LOL, it's up 7 percent in the most competitive market, which is the US. Yeah, that's a flex, while not being easily purchased for the first 2 years of its life, while not being discounted and even getting a price increase, and while the PS5 Pro is essentially double the price of the PS4 Pro.

The only market where they're down is Europe, where there has been an economic recession for years largely due to war and where Sony has stopped selling the PS5 in Russia due to that same war.

When Sony closes the gap in Europe thanks to games like EA FC going current gen only and GTA6, what are you going to say exactly?

7% globally and lifetime would put the PS5 at 125 million units, but with GTA6, I think it's going to end up more than that. I think it's safe to assume the PS5 with a longer tail than the PS4 and GTA6 will sell a minimum of 125 units and upwards of 130-135 million units.

That would make it easily the 2nd best selling PlayStation in history, so yeah, that's a flex...

 

[ArtHands]

Thread says some miniscule negative thing about Sony

The usual Gaffers:

I can actually imagine some people doing this literally during the Playstation outage over the weekend.

 

[panda-zebra]

In 3 days we are going to know… I expect below the forecast sales by a good margin.

72 hours. That's a lot of edging. Enjoy.

I can actually imagine some people doing this literally during the Playstation outage over the weekend.

Do you need to close your eyes real tight and concentrate or do these thoughts come more naturally? I'm guessing the latter.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

idk about others but I ended up buying Xbone OX just for RDR2 at the time.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

LOL, it's up 7 percent in the most competitive market, which is the US. Yeah, that's a flex, while not being easily purchased for the first 2 years of its life, while not being discounted and even getting a price increase, and while the PS5 Pro is essentially double the price of the PS4 Pro.

The only market where they're down is Europe, where there has been an economic recession for years largely due to war and where Sony has stopped selling the PS5 in Russia due to that same war.

When Sony closes the gap in Europe thanks to games like EA FC going current gen only and GTA6, what are you going to say exactly?

7% globally and lifetime would put the PS5 at 125 million units, but with GTA6, I think it's going to end up more than that. I think it's safe to assume the PS5 with a longer tail than the PS4 and GTA6 will sell a minimum of 125 units and upwards of 130-135 million units.

That would make it easily the 2nd best selling PlayStation in history, so yeah, that's a flex...

I also think that PS5 surpassing PS4 is a possibility.

We're literally at halfway through the console's life (without the PS6). Most PS studios are literally working on PS5 games as we speak, GTAVI is going to release around the time PS5's lifetime sales are about to surpass PS3 and Xbox 360...how is that bad?

PS5 isn't already above PS4 for 2 reasons: Those covid years, and that price increase. It's pretty obvious by USA's sales that if that price never increased WW that the console would be doing better than the PS4. But somehow it's seen as "plummeting sales". There's also the fact that comparing 2024 and 2023...PS5 was ALWAYS going to lose. That was Playstation's peak year in sales. 22M consoles sold is honestly amazing when you think about it, and considering the best selling model was 550€ in Europe.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Worldwide.....2 million and some change. So are PS5 sales plummeting or is this simply not a "big flex"? And how is it you and others disregard the point about price over and over so readily? All this effort just to fabricate this narrative that Xbox ain't alone in its misery.

LOL, it's up 7 percent in the most competitive market, which is the US. Yeah, that's a flex, while not being easily purchased for the first 2 years of its life, while not being discounted and even getting a price increase, and while the PS5 Pro is essentially double the price of the PS4 Pro.

The only market where they're down is Europe, where there has been an economic recession for years largely due to war and where Sony has stopped selling the PS5 in Russia due to that same war.

When Sony closes the gap in Europe thanks to games like EA FC going current gen only and GTA6, what are you going to say exactly?

7% globally and lifetime would put the PS5 at 125 million units, but with GTA6, I think it's going to end up more than that. I think it's safe to assume the PS5 with a longer tail than the PS4 and GTA6 will sell a minimum of 125 units and upwards of 130-135 million units.

That would make it easily the 2nd best selling PlayStation in history, so yeah, that's a flex...

Ok, I understand you guys wanting to defend Sony here...but lets try having a conversation not looking at Sony who are reporting the best revenue etc, that you guys use as defence.

Now let's look at the concern from publishers, who are seeing the console market shrink and sales of titles reducing. Sony sequels not growing, titles not selling as much on console as they used to. It doesn't matter to the publisher of GTA if Sony is making the most revenue of every gen. They care about seeing the sales numbers reduce and PC gaming growing in sales. That's why these questions are coming up. It's not just Xbox flatlining. Customers are not buying millions of copies of games for third party published titles on PS5. Not more than last gen. Its reducing. are you just choosing to ignore that?

If you want to discuss that fact, I am open to it. We actually know that the PS5 was outselling the PS4 launch aligned, so the pandemic helped its sales. People were spending well over the MSRP for the console and demand was at an unattainable height outside the worldwide phenom of the pandemic.

I want to talk about facts that we know right now, not hopes and dreams of the future.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Just adding that I did double check for Japan

Famitsu has the PS5 at 6.513 million units. Media create had the PS4 at 6.329 million. So yes, the PS5 is also ahead of the PS4 in Japan and about to get regionally, the biggest game since it launched. Maybe even by far the biggest game, regionally.

By this time the PS4 had already got MH World (the previous month), and Dragon Quest XI.

Ghost of Yotei and Onimusha next year... yeah, Sony should have every reason to think they'll continue to outsell the PS4 in Japan. Add Dragon Quest 12 either next year or the year after as well. GTA6 will probably do pretty well there as well.

Giving that the PS5 has only increased in price, I think Sony has a decent grasp on their core market there. Hopefully, a 2026 price drop will help as well.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Ok, I understand you guys wanting to defend Sony here...but lets try having a conversation not looking at Sony who are reporting the best revenue etc, that you guys use as defence.

Now let's look at the concern from publishers, who are seeing the console market shrink and sales of titles reducing. Sony sequels not growing, titles not selling as much on console as they used to. It doesn't matter to the publisher of GTA if Sony is making the most revenue of every gen. They care about seeing the sales numbers reduce and PC gaming growing in sales. That's why these questions are coming up. It's not just Xbox flatlining. Customers are not buying millions of copies of games for third party published titles on PS5. Not more than last gen. Its reducing. are you just choosing to ignore that?

If you want to discuss that fact, I am open to it. We actually know that the PS5 was outselling the PS4 launch aligned, so the pandemic helped its sales. People were spending well over the MSRP for the console and demand was at an unattainable height outside the worldwide phenom of the pandemic.

I want to talk about facts that we know right now, not hopes and dreams of the future.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Good response, I guess you will continue to deny all the publishers and market discussing the growth of PC and reduction in game sales on console.

 

[TheKratos]

The funniest part is Take Two gonna pretend it saved console gaming when GTA6 is out while PS5 was already flourishing.

 

[DenchDeckard]

The funniest part is Take Two gonna pretend it saved console gaming when GTA6 is out while PS5 was already flourishing.

Its not like multiple Sony users on here have not been saying "wait till GTA6" for like 2 years.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Good response, I guess you will continue to deny all the publishers and market discussing the growth of PC and reduction in game sales on console.

Obligatory…

 

[DenchDeckard]

Obligatory…

This has already been debunked in the other thread. I even called you out on it.

Obligatory.....

 

[Mibu no ookami]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2165564/most-pc-gamers-wait-for-titles-to-go-on-sale.html

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/only-...ime-was-spent-playing-games-released-in-2024/

 

[DenchDeckard]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2165564/most-pc-gamers-wait-for-titles-to-go-on-sale.html

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/only-...ime-was-spent-playing-games-released-in-2024/

Now do that for PS5 users. It means nothing without solid data on both platforms.

a random survey means nothing to hard data on spending.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Now do that for PS5 users. It means nothing without solid data on both platforms.

a random survey means nothing to hard data on spending.

We already know that most games sell best on PS5 despite the smaller userbase. Games like Silent Hill 2 were lifted by the PS5 while being relatively low on the Steam store.

We also know that games like EA FC, Madden, and CoD sell best on console.

Much of the revenue on PC comes from games not even on Steam. Games like Minecraft, Roblox, and Fortnite... throw in Genshin Impact and Valorant for good measure.

The more PS5s that sell the greater that imbalance is going to become and THAT'S why people point to GTA6, not as a "savior" for the PS5, but as an accelerant to move a lot of people from Xbox One and PS4 to the current generation.

There is a reason why games like EA FC and Madden do well as cross gen, but once more of these previous gen gamers have access to next gen games, the per unit sales of current gen only titles will increase there as well.

 

[DenchDeckard]

We already know that most games sell best on PS5 despite the smaller userbase. Games like Silent Hill 2 were lifted by the PS5 while being relatively low on the Steam store.

We also know that games like EA FC, Madden, and CoD sell best on console.

Much of the revenue on PC comes from games not even on Steam. Games like Minecraft, Roblox, and Fortnite... throw in Genshin Impact and Valorant for good measure.

The more PS5s that sell the greater that imbalance is going to become and THAT'S why people point to GTA6, not as a "savior" for the PS5, but as an accelerant to move a lot of people from Xbox One and PS4 to the current generation.

There is a reason why games like EA FC and Madden do well as cross gen, but once more of these previous gen gamers have access to next gen games, the per unit sales of current gen only titles will increase there as well.

Most games do not sell best on PS5, you are factually incorrect. Cherry picking the odd game that does sell better on PS5 means nothing. The majority of all big releases this gen have sold more on PC. thats just facts.

The next one will be monster hunter. There a reason Capcom, Square....even the stellar blade devs are all talking about PC and expecting it to be their biggest platform.

Are you actually reading, and listening to what devs and publishers are saying nowadays?

I put money that we hear about GTA PC version earlier than we ever have in previous generations.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Most games do not sell best on PS5, you are factually incorrect. Cherry picking the odd game that does sell better on PS5 means nothing. The majority of all big releases this gen have sold more on PC. thats just facts.

The next one will be monster hunter. There a reason Capcom, Square....even the stellar blade devs are all talking about PC and expecting it to be their biggest platform.

Are you actually reading, and listening to what devs and publishers are saying nowadays?

I put money that we hear about GTA PC version earlier than we ever have in previous generations.

How about Metaphor?

Look at Final Fantasy Rebirth that just came out and is 172nd on the steam chart...

I wouldn't be surprised if more games put off PC ports entirely because they just don't sell all that well unless they're massively discounted or F2P.

 

[DenchDeckard]

How about Metaphor?

Look at Final Fantasy Rebirth that just came out and is 172nd on the steam chart...

I wouldn't be surprised if more games put off PC ports entirely because they just don't sell all that well unless they're massively discounted or F2P.

I'd be willing to make the bet that metaphor sold more on PC worldwide than PS5. I bet it was extremely close if not more.

Also, on your attempt to downplay PC and say they dont play / buy new games.

Maybe, you would like to do the math on below?

https://ps-timetracker.com/statistic/last-30-days - to see how many users on playstation play new games?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I'd be willing to make the bet that metaphor sold more on PC worldwide than PS5. I bet it was extremely close if not more.

Also, on your attempt to downplay PC and say they dont play / buy new games.

Maybe, you would like to do the math on below?

https://ps-timetracker.com/statistic/last-30-days - to see how many users on playstation play new games?

You have yet to address several of his points. He said most 3rd party games sell best on PS5. You say otherwise. Provide the proof.

Also, you conveniently ignored his Rebirth point.

 

[DenchDeckard]

You have yet to address several of his points. He said most 3rd party games sell best on PS5. You say otherwise. Provide the proof.

he needs to provide the proof about ps5.

On rebirth, it launched a year later thanks to Sony money hats. its not apples to apples.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

he needs to provide the proof about ps5.

When it has been common knowledge that PS5 games sell best? No, he does not. That sits firmly in your lap. Quit dodging and show the stats putting PC versions ahead of PS5 versions.

As to Rebirth, I love that excuse. Show the games which launched day/date that did better on PC. How many have done that compared to the amounts that didn’t?

 

[DenchDeckard]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/gamesindustry-biz-in-europe-44-of-elden-ring-sales-were-on-pc.1632580/

Capcom Sold More PC Games Than All Console Games Combined in 1st Half of FY25

Capcom in its latest earnings report for the six-month period ending September 30, 2024 (first half of fiscal [...]

www.vgchartz.com

PC is the most 'dominant' it's been this decade as two-thirds of devs say they're targeting the platform

Well, naturally.

www.pcgamer.com

 

[HeWhoWalks]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/gamesindustry-biz-in-europe-44-of-elden-ring-sales-were-on-pc.1632580/

Capcom Sold More PC Games Than All Console Games Combined in 1st Half of FY25

Capcom in its latest earnings report for the six-month period ending September 30, 2024 (first half of fiscal [...]

www.vgchartz.com

PC is the most 'dominant' it's been this decade as two-thirds of devs say they're targeting the platform

Well, naturally.

www.pcgamer.com

“VG Chartz”…..

Like I said, show me the STATS (irrefutable). What are the individual game sales?

For example…. Silent Hill 2. Where did it sell better? What about Sports games? Call of Duty? Give examples.

 

[Kvally]

Xbox is dying? I wasn’t aware of that.

 

[DenchDeckard]

When it has been common knowledge that PS5 games sell best? No, he does not. That sits firmly in your lap. Quit dodging and show the stats putting PC versions ahead of PS5 versions.

As to Rebirth, I love that excuse. Show the games which launched day/date that did better on PC. How many have done that compared to the amounts that didn’t?

“VG Chartz”…..

Like I said, show me the STATS (irrefutable). What are the individual game sales?

For example…. Silent Hill 2. Where did it sell better? What about Sports games? Call of Duty? Give examples.

You guys are so insecure, its painful. The VGcharts articles isnt using VG charts data, try reading.

I give up, keep sticking your head in the sand. Its not like you cant google or literally read every statement from Studio execs, publishers and more.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

You guys are so insecure, its painful. The VGcharts articles isnt using VG charts data, try reading.

I give up, keep sticking your head in the sand. Its not like you cant google or literally read every statement from Studio execs, publishers and more.

Insecurity is one of your strong suits. Let’s stay away from histories, because that will be an easy fire to light up your ass.

Stay on point, if you can provide the stats, the discussion can continue. If not, don’t type like you can refute.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Insecurity is one of your strong suits. Let’s stay away from histories, because that will be an easy fire to light up your ass.

Stay on point, if you can provide the stats, the discussion can continue. If not, don’t type like you can refute.

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[HeWhoWalks]

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Cool, so you were just talking your usual shit.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Cool, so you were just talking your usual shit.

I'm the one talking shit.....

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I'm the one talking shit.....

Stupid Gif

Yes, that’s what you do Dench. Mr “I’m neutral”, but show what you really are about whenever anyone defends Sony.

“I give up”. Yes, do that. You couldn’t refute anything anyway.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Yes, that’s what you do Dench. Mr “I’m neutral”, but show what you really are about whenever anyone defends Sony.

Defending Sony incorrectly and I am going to say something.

All the evidence, from the industry is that the console market is shrinking, sales are falling and publishers and Devs are looking to PC as a bright spot in a declining market. You guys literally cant handle this, and will pick up any dream world comment you can to deny reality. You start gas lighting other users etc.

I have provided facts for the biggest games this gen and you are somehow trying to attack me now.

Elden ring, is by far the biggest game of the generation...its a japanese game and it sold the most on PC. Thats the only evidence you need.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Defending Sony incorrectly and I am going to say something.

All the evidence, from the industry is that the console market is shrinking, sales are falling and publishers and Devs are looking to PC as a bright spot in a declining market. You guys literally cant handle this, and will pick up any dream world comment you can to deny reality. You start gas lighting other users etc.

I have provided facts for the biggest games this gen and you are somehow trying to attack me now.

Elden ring, is by far the biggest game of the generation...its a japanese game and it sold the most on PC. Thats the only evidence you need.

“Incorrectly” - yet, you showed nothing that refuted what Mibu no ookami stated.

ELDEN RING….. yeah, one game. What were its sales? What about the many others that sold better on PS5? This is what people mean. You cherry pick then act like someone is unfairly attacking you. Instead of playing the victim, back up your words.

Edit: https://levvvel.com/elden-ring-statistics/

All I’ve found, and it suggests Elden Ring sold more on PS4/5 than PC or Xbox. Refutable? Let’s see it.

 

[TheGodfather07]

So close to the ps4 with literally 0 competition isn't a big flex i don't think. How close to the ps4 worldwide are they?

Zero competition now is it? What happened to series x being a beast and gamepass being the greatest subscription service to ever be invented? What about the series s being a genius move by Microsoft? That's what I remember hearing in the beginning of the gen. Funny how it's zero competition now. Total narrative u turn from the start to now. I wonder what new bullshit you'll come up with if PS5 closes that gap with PS4 this year.

 

[Topher]

Ok, I understand you guys wanting to defend Sony here...but lets try having a conversation not looking at Sony who are reporting the best revenue etc, that you guys use as defence.

Now let's look at the concern from publishers, who are seeing the console market shrink and sales of titles reducing. Sony sequels not growing, titles not selling as much on console as they used to. It doesn't matter to the publisher of GTA if Sony is making the most revenue of every gen. They care about seeing the sales numbers reduce and PC gaming growing in sales. That's why these questions are coming up. It's not just Xbox flatlining. Customers are not buying millions of copies of games for third party published titles on PS5. Not more than last gen. Its reducing. are you just choosing to ignore that?

If you want to discuss that fact, I am open to it. We actually know that the PS5 was outselling the PS4 launch aligned, so the pandemic helped its sales. People were spending well over the MSRP for the console and demand was at an unattainable height outside the worldwide phenom of the pandemic.

I want to talk about facts that we know right now, not hopes and dreams of the future.

lol....we were talking facts. Obviously you found the facts provided inconvenient so move the goalposts to some other target. Enjoy your rabbit hole, but don't delude yourself that you want to talk facts.

 

[DenchDeckard]

“Incorrectly” - yet, you showed nothing that refuted what Mibu no ookami stated.

ELDEN RING….. yeah, one game. What were its sales? What about the many others that sold better on PS5? This is what people mean. You cherry pick then act like someone is unfairly attacking you. Instead of playing the victim, back up your words.

What titles have sold considerably more on PS5? can you provide factual evidence of worldwide sales on PS5 versions of games outperforming PC?

Zero competition now is it? What happened to series x being a beast and gamepass being the greatest subscription service to ever be invented? What about the series s being a genius move by Microsoft? That's what I remember hearing in the beginning of the gen. Funny how it's zero competition now. Total narrative u turn from the start to now. I wonder what new bullshit you'll come up with if PS5 closes that gap with PS4 this year.

lol....we were talking facts. Obviously you found the facts provided inconvenient so move the goalposts to some other target. Enjoy your rabbit hole, but don't delude yourself that you want to talk facts.

What facts are you talking about? a Chris Dring comment about one regions sales on silent hill 2?