playsaves3
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I think it would be fine if they were adding 3d cache but they aren’t doing that either it seems
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PS5 Pro devkits arrive at third-party studios, Sony expects Pro specs to leak
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playsaves3
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The base model should have already been using zen 3
playsaves3
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The pro is not going to be 499 we can bet 150 right now. These leaked specs should only be 499 thoughLook at what amd launched in march 2021, 40cu, basically ps5 gpu on roids, visibly more tflops, it even beats xsx gpu, 479usd msrp, ofc it doesnt have to be contained in small box aka console form factor, hence 230W tdp.
AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT Specs
AMD Navi 22, 2581 MHz, 2560 Cores, 160 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 12288 MB GDDR6, 2000 MHz, 192 bitwww.techpowerup.com
We can extraplotae from that, sony had access to same tech for their ps5, on same 7nm process node, so they downclocked that very chip(ofc made apu from it, aka combo of cpu and gpu), which reduced its power requirements, they even decided to turn off 4cu's which again makes sense coz of massproduced ps5 chip- u want as many chips to be eligible as possible- and voila- we got ourselfs ps5 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/playstation-5-gpu.c3480
What we keep on saying is, the already existing 7800xt is such a gpu that very likely will be base for whats inside of ps5pr0, with 1 caviot, its made on 5nm node, while ps5pr0 is rumored to be made on 4n(not 4nm but 4n which is somewhere inbetween 5nm and 4nm), tldr it might be only just tiny bit slower from 7800xt(remember 263W tdp) , unlike ps5 vs 6700xt that was visibly slower, specs wise( 10,2tf vs 13,2tf).
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7800-xt.c3839 here once again exact specs, 263tdp, 499usd msrp launch price, all point to realistic expectations we will get something similar to this kind of power(lower process node will make it possible to put it into ps5pr0 apu with barely any dowgrading on the clocks, hence again leaks mentioning around 60-70% uplift from base ps5, this gpu is 78% uplift).
And yes coding to the metal/focusing on 1 specific platform will help for sure, but we talking specs here, aka what realistically will be found inside ps5pr0 devkits and later officially presented to us, likely somewhere around early 2nd half of 2024.
Skifi28
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What's going to change in 2026? Avatar just released and has GI as well as reflections even in its 60fps mode. The current cpus seem absolutely fine for 60fps even with RT (120 would be a different story, but you don't get a console for that I imagine). I wouldn't really compare the console cpus with their PC equivalent which is struggling in RT, that seems to be an api/windows/optimization issue.
I've been hearing about this return to 30fps because of the CPUs for over a year now, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Most games appear gpu limited and we have many examples of RT + 60fps in both older and recent titles. Even the new plague tale that sparked the fear mongering about 30fps eventually got a 60fps mode. I just don't see any evidence.
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playsaves3
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They could also just not have to be conservative with the price since you know they won’t have competition and I think people would be willing to pay as much as 700 if the specs are there so why not try something new gimping your console only affects how you are viewed by the hardcore
To be honest, I agree that a Pro model is just entirely unnecessary this generation, the specs of the Series X and PS5 are still pretty fair for their price, there's very few PCs capable of outperforming them in their price range which is very different from what things were like in 2016 with PS4/Xbone. They really aren't that behind the curve.
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Imtjnotu
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PS5 now isn't cpu bound tho. A lot of the extra stuff like the I/O and sound processing is being used by their own processors...
Giving the speed increased specs I still think it will be okay even in 2024.
Dorfdad
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You’re talking retail! Sony would get a really deep discount for 10 million units! Probably 3/4 to a half of the retail costs.
Mr.Phoenix
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Then you still do not understand what a Pro console is for.
A pro console is never necessary. It's just the PS5... but better. Like buying an i7 laptop instead of an i5. Or like buying a 4080 instead of a 4070. I do not understand why it needs to be justified, be necessary, explain itself, justify itself.... etc. Its just something designed to do everything a PS5 does, but better. Devs will NEVER make games specifically for it. It was NOT built because the PS5 is no longer capable.
NO.
Its made, to take that PS5 game, and run it at a slightly higher rez and/or framerate and/or higher presets. Nothing more, nothing less.
Why is it OK, to have the choice to buy a 4060, 4070, 4080, 4090... all to play the same game on the PC, but when a console maker tries to give options, they are killing people's dogs?
StealthGoblin
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They don't need to do that. And we all know they don't give a fuck what we think because very soon it'll be Nintendo versus Sony and the power differential there will be vast.
playsaves3
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I expect it to have better r7800 XT won't be the PS5 Pro GPU, at all. PS5 Pro is supposedly based on RDNA3.5 with quite different architecture than RDNA3, the same used on future RDNA4 GPUs. That GPU (on PC) will have a total of 64CUs with 2 shader engines (possibly with 128 ROPs) while 7800XT has a total of 60CUs with 3 shader engines and 96 ROPs.
AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT Review
With the Radeon RX 7800 XT, AMD is going after the GeForce RTX 4070. Our review confirms that AMD has achieved performance parity in rasterization and is pretty close in ray tracing, at a much better price point, and they are giving you 16 GB VRAM, instead of just 12 GB.
PS5 Pro GPU is going to be quite different than 7800 XT, as different as RDNA3 was compared to RDNA2. We don't know yet how it's going to perform.
i imagine the pro will also be good enough for most pc gamersSame pov here, i didnt buy base ps5 on purpose(got 3080ti instead) for the very reason i calced its smarter to stick with stronger pc for multiplats for now, and wont be long before i can play all exclusives(including timed like ff7rebirth and gta6) on much stronger pr0 console.
playsaves3
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Is there a reason they aren’t going with 3nm or at least a hybrid 3/4nm
playsaves3
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Bookmark this conversation for 2026 and don’t say I didn’t warn you guys
playsaves3
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They are just going to ignore you and keep saying it’s okay the same conversation was had with zen 2 vs 3 on the base ps5 but it’s going to be even worse here. It’s obvious what Sonys going to do considering how much this fanbase is defending especially on a $600+ console
playsaves3
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I don’t think they have to go as extreme as 1000 to accomplish this I think they could manage it 700 espwcisllly if they sold at a small loss. For 1000 I think it would be closer to a 4090
playsaves3
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A 1000 console would be stronger than almost any pc alongside having all the convience of consoles. Heck a 1000 2024 console could potentially be stronger than a 4090 at least on the raster side
playsaves3
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I’ve been getting conflicting reports about this I thought gaf said using zen 4/5 on a 4nm process node would be the same price or even slightly cheaper than zen 2 on 7nm also the console isn’t going to be $500 it’s $600 minimum
Mr.Phoenix
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Availability and price. The 3nm ramp-up has justs started from TSMC. this year its so far only been responsible for like 5/6% of their output. (something like that I can't remember).
Typically, for the first 12-24 months of any new node, they are usually booked out by the highest paying customers (apple and Qualcomm), then eventually when they get supply up, prices normalize, and even then, a 3nm wafer would still be more expensive than a 4nm one.
If Sony can get away with even using a 6nm chip, that's what they would go for. My guess is the only reason they would be going for a 3nm one would be due to thermal and wattage targets.
playsaves3
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for 900 I would expect 3d cache zen 5 and a 7900xtx
James Sawyer Ford
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Warn about what?
If the next Xbox has an upgraded CPU that’s fine, but it’s not a big deal
Gaiff
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Don't bother with this guy. The gears in his head clearly aren't spinning correctly.
Why do you think he posts 5-6x in a row when he's been repeatedly told there's a multi-quote function?
playsaves3
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The ps6 cpu would still be a large upgrade over a zen 5 pro you are aware things like zen 8 or possibly even something newer will be there by then right?
playsaves3
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I was
I did say if the pro is rdn4 it would be based on the 8000 series though I was expecting 8700xt 8800xt would be awesome though
Most consumers don't care about this, that's what you don't understand.
The PS4 Pro made sense because of 4K rapidly gaining adoption, this doesn't. I do understand entirely, if anything I think you are vastly overestimating how little that matters for something that would probably cost like $600.
It's not like the PS4 which couldn't output 4K at all (and was fairly underpowered even at launch), or something like the N64 expansion pak which was in an era where memory was at a premium. This would be like, what? 1200p going up to 1440p in some circumstances? Or 1440p to 1620p or something? Who the fuck cares at that point?
That's so incredibly minute of a difference that I highly doubt this would see any success. At that point you'd be better off saving the $500-$700 it'll cost and just save to invest for building a PC, which would provide significantly better returns.
Take the fanboy cap off at the table.
Also the PC comparisons make no sense, building a PC has vastly more options for budget reasons as well as resolution, VRAM, and workspace demands. This is just to game at mildly higher settings.
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Killjoy-NL
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People also tend to ignore the fact that PSVR had a lot to do with PS4 Pro being released, as base PS4 struggled with the bare minimum requirements for VR.
PS4 Pro released like a month after PSVR.
MS released the One X a year after PS4 Pro, to stay competitive.
But neither of these are the case this gen, reducing the need for a PS5 Pro further.
Gaiff
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Newsflash: the Pro isn't for most consumers. It's for enthusiasts who are a minority and Sony knows this. I'm excited at the prospect of a Pro, as are many others and I'll 100% get it when it comes out. Are we the majority? No, we aren't but there's enough of a market for Sony to think it's worth it.
The antagonism towards the Pro console is incredibly confusing to me. As for 1200p going up to 1440p, yeah, but no. We've seen games like Jedi Survivor in which the base PS5's low resolution just falls apart in motion with craptastic FSR with a base resolution dropping below 720p. Going from a 2070S-tier to a 3080/4070+tier GPU is not a small difference. That's ignoring the presumably vastly improved ray tracing performance which will rid us of those awful 1/4 resolution reflections.
Most people don't care. You're right on that and that's why the Pro will sell around 20% of all PS5s once it hits the market.
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HeisenbergFX4
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Except Sony themselves stated the PS4 Pro was made to keep people from jumping to PC about midgen to keep them in the PS ecosystem
These companies only care about your dollar, period
Mr.Phoenix
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It would be using TEC element. And would need a power supply just for its cooler too. The 'hardcore" would understand.
I don't know who or why you are calling anyone a fanboy.
You can make your point without doing that.
You are right, no one cares. You are however wrong that it doesn't matter. There are a lot of people that buy something just because it's the best version of that thing. Or because its the new one. And some would seek out the cheapest PS5 they can buy, and even those that would buy from the used market.
You are right that people don't care, wrong by not taking into account just how ignorant a lot off those people are. A lot of people bought a PS4 Pro and plugged it into a 1080p 40inch TV and were convinced they were getting 4K. No one outside of places like gaf and Nerds like us really cares about 1080p/1440p...etc to even be able to tell the difference. Hell, some of us here can't even tell the difference unless DF tells us what we are looking at.
Again, the PS5pro, is just a PS5... but better. nothing more nothing less. Its the same way consumers would buy a phone because it has three cameras at the back instead of two, and yet do everything with the front-facing camera...
And build a PC? $700 for a PS5pro? if you find yourself saying ridiculous things to make an argument, then you are probably making the wrong argument to begin with. Like don't be ridiculous. A $600 console, would still outperform buying/building a $600 PC. In the same way a $400 console would. this whole PC vs console pricing argument is just stupid. And I find it stupid whenever I hear and say shit like that, save $700 to invest in building a PC... like everyone is the world is a PC gamer. Or cares about PC gaming.
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playsaves3
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Because using games now is not a benchmark for the games of the future especially when we want the pro to do things like more raytracing on top of it
Mr.Phoenix
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playsaves3
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I don’t know why that guy above started talking about the Xbox
Killjoy-NL
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That's in large part PR.
Yoshida was talking about how the extra power of Pro was necessary to boost VR performance and there was quite a difference between VR on base PS4 and Pro.
But releasing it just for PSVR would be a waste, so they had multiple goals, like player retention and 4K resolution.
That's just smart business.
Things are different now though.
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playsaves3
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well for specific examples I question if elder scrolls will be 60fps
playsaves3
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also I never asked you to trust me it’s pretty obvious some also believe the last of us 3 will be 30fps only
reinking
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I wish more people understood this.
HeisenbergFX4
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I would think PR would be saying its for 4k TVs not telling people we wanted to keep you from jumping to a different platform
playsaves3
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Or the 550 psvr2. It’s almost pointless to bother with a pro and the r and d if it’s not a real jump
playsaves3
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This can all change next year
playsaves3
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Clock speed and core count matter more id also say the generation its on zen 2 vs zen 5
playsaves3
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Clock speed and core count matter more id also say the generation it’s based on is the most significant which is why zen 2 compared to zen 5 would be a travesty
the next Xbox is gonna suck if its on zen 2
HeisenbergFX4
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Next Xbox will be Zen 5
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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HeisenbergFX4
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A lot has changed since that roadmapThe leaked roadmap picture had Zen 6 on it for their next-gen hardware.
Guessing
Killjoy-NL
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Just like not telling people they needed more performance for a niche peripheral because your console is struggling.
Mr.Phoenix
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From Bethesda? It would be an accomplishment if itr even ruins at 30fps. Besides, they artistically go for 30fps it seems.
never said you did... the phrase "trust me bro" doesn't mean you said I should...
where do you get this shit... who is the some you know that believes TLOU3 would be a 30fps game that more importantly, is 30fps due to a CPU bottleneck? The first I am ever hearing that is here and from you.
twilo99
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They are just a bit stuck.. it's understandable considering the decades of conditioning that one performace tier should make everyone happy, which is why they are all perfectly okay with older components, its just "part of how the industry works"
A lot of UE5 games are certainly CPU limited..
Ah, that's a tall order! Nah man, I'm just trying to get you from AC power to DC .. but, no luck so far.
Let me try this..
Its 2026.
Fresh GTA coming out.
You excited, want to play and ready to buy a new toy to do it with.
Going to store and see the following PlayStation box options:
$399 - 1080/30fps
$599 - 1440p/30fps
$1000 - 4k/120fps
What u gonna get?
Or, another option, you don't care about GTA, but that $1000 console allows you to play your favorite single player game, which has been stuck at 4k/30fps for years, in glorious 4k/120fps with ray tracing and much higher fidelity.
What u gonna do? Settle for lower quality and lower frames when you can have a much better experience for 400 more dollars?
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crazyjah2003
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LOL, still only vaporware no matter how much you guys believe....
Seriously tho; I really hope they allow me to skip like I did PS4 pro aka; not locking anything actually necessary behind the PRO.
I would be in for the "Early" XBOX generation... I have very fond memories of the 360's timing and offers... I hope they go for that again.
Seriously tho; I really hope they allow me to skip like I did PS4 pro aka; not locking anything actually necessary behind the PRO.
I would be in for the "Early" XBOX generation... I have very fond memories of the 360's timing and offers... I hope they go for that again.
HeWhoWalks
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No in both cases.
We'll use mine for example.
13900K
EVGA 3090Ti
96GB DDR5 @ 6800MHz
No $1000 console is touching that in 2023/4. 2024, $1000 console stronger than a 4090? Lay off whatever crack pipe you thought was a good idea to use before typing that.
As for convenience — that's up to the individual. I lose none with my rig. And please, use the multiquote feature this site offers.
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