Shifty1897
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Come on man my post was about as as friendly, inviting, and open as possible, can you not be a total dick today?
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Mat Piscatella: PS5 Pro Has Fallen Behind PS4 Pro Launch Aligned in the US
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Gen.Grievous
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Yes profits what I meant. If they cared about units sold they would have priced it lower and taken a loss on it.
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Klosshufvud
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In Sweden you have to pay 1100€ for a PS5 Pro and disc drive just to have games slightly better than on base PS5. I said fuck it and bought a used second fat PS5 for a third of the price. Electronics pricings have reached such absurd heights. And PS5 Pro is almost satire territory expensive. To me consoles should be cheap and accessible. Not these hyper expensive luxury products. That's better reserved for high-end PC gaming.
Skifi28
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Today?
dragonyeuw
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No shit. The early adopters have already bought it as early adopters tend to do. We're now post- Christmas, in an economy ravaged by inflation, trying to push a system that was hiked $200 over the vanilla PS5 instead of replacing it price-wise like the PS4 Pro did with the PS4. No disc drive included, no obvious selling points beyond 'improved performance' when the talk of the town is diminished returns, no 'this is for your new 4KTV' pitch like last gen, using mostly catalogue releases to market it instead of new games, diabolical non-US pricing with currency conversions. Pretty much all the shit we've been saying for months is playing out.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You're living in an age where the $2000 to $3000 range 50xx series GPU's are sold out within minutes of going online.
FOMO is real.
The problem isn't the Pros price compared to GPUs, it's the pros price compared to the base PS5. Is there enough of a difference on screen to justify the price difference? If you think so then you buy; but it's clear most people don't think so.Even the 5070 Ti is going for over 1 grand and you guys are still bitching about the PS5 Pro price?
But GPUs cost $1000 alone! You're throwing money away NOT buying this.No shit. The early adopters have already bought it as early adopters tend to do. We're now post- Christmas, in an economy ravaged by inflation, trying to push a system that was hiked $200 over the vanilla PS5 instead of replacing it price-wise like the PS4 Pro did with the PS4. No disc drive included, no obvious selling points beyond 'improved performance' when the talk of the town is diminished returns, no 'this is for your new 4KTV' pitch like last gen, using mostly catalogue releases to market it instead of new games, diabolical non-US pricing with currency conversions. Pretty much all the shit we've been saying for months is playing out.
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ReBurn
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Some people are like Daredevil except it's just any fan sound above 0 decibels that they can hear over literally every other sound. Terrible affliction.
John Wick
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Maybe for you but not for others. Maybe take your head out of your arse and see the market realities. Sony aren't making much on each console unlike a certain GPU manufacturer.
John Wick
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So why don't you show Sony how to make it for $400?
You really think Sony is selling these for double the price they are making these at?
Pasta la Vista
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I wouldnt even buy this piece of shit if it was $400. Where are the fucking games?
dDoc
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Sure, Nvidia provided very few units for sale, and of course the ultra hardcore with more money than sense (and scalpers) were ready to gobble them up.
Doesn't mean these GPUs are selling like hot cakes.
Ridicululzz
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Was thinking about getting one, but way too expensive right now.
lol no it didn’t. Everyone was trashing it for not having 4k blu ray and not offering any fps boost because of the same jaguar cpu.
Topher
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XXL
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It really was perfect timing. Lol.
Humdinger
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Yeah, there were complaints about the hardware prior to launch. There will always be people who want more/better hardware (same with PS5 Pro).
That's not what I'm talking about, though. I'm talking about the reception after launch, the way the people who bought it and then played games on it talked about their experience. Overall, they were positive about it. I'm not saying you couldn't find complainers. You can always find complainers, especially on gaming forums. But the overall reception was pretty good. I think most people who owned it were happy with it.
The reception for PS5 Pro has been pretty mixed. It isn't hard to find people who are disappointed and dissatisfied, frustrated with the low roll out of patches, games that perform poorly, lack of bang for the buck, etc. I'm sure that is filtering out and is part of why sales are lagging behind PS4 Pro (although price is probably a big factor there, too).
LordOcidax
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SmokedMeat
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Defense Force we’ve got a Code red!!
Start talking about the GPU market!
DeepEnigma
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sncvsrtoip
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5070ti its double performance of pro gpuEven the 5070 Ti is going for over 1 grand and you guys are still bitching about the PS5 Pro price?
DeepEnigma
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FrankWza
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Where else are you going to plug in that shiny new inkjet printer?But the new marching orders all want you building gaming PCs
bundylove
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I feel scammed with the pro.
Outside of a few games i really dont see any difference. Look at the latest pro patch for astrobot. No reason it cant have any rt support but hey we just drop the resolution and slap pssr on it for a sharper image shimmer included.
No one is even trying to use the extra power for anything. Its all just lazy upgrades so far.
But then again , seeing how devs fuuck up pc ports where you need the top of the line card with dlss and frame gen to get above 60fps cuz horrible optimization.....devs really just use tech nowdays to brute force through their garbage games.
Then you have the games that may or may not take advantage of the hardware but those games or any high profile game is still years away.
This gen with the way it started like full cros gen and remakes remasters galore and still going strong with this trend ala days gone remaster and alike really doesnt scream you need a more powerful hardware dont you think?
Outside of a few games i really dont see any difference. Look at the latest pro patch for astrobot. No reason it cant have any rt support but hey we just drop the resolution and slap pssr on it for a sharper image shimmer included.
No one is even trying to use the extra power for anything. Its all just lazy upgrades so far.
But then again , seeing how devs fuuck up pc ports where you need the top of the line card with dlss and frame gen to get above 60fps cuz horrible optimization.....devs really just use tech nowdays to brute force through their garbage games.
Then you have the games that may or may not take advantage of the hardware but those games or any high profile game is still years away.
This gen with the way it started like full cros gen and remakes remasters galore and still going strong with this trend ala days gone remaster and alike really doesnt scream you need a more powerful hardware dont you think?
PaintTinJr
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For me the big telling sign that it hasn't landed well is that it sounds like it has damaged PSSR's and PlayStation's reputation on here more than enhanced it, which is just weird when even selling the box at cost with a built-in optical drive would all have been worth it to try and build PSSR's reputation ahead of PS6 to have people see it above XeSS/FSR4 and be at DLSS3/4's heals.
IMO they've got six months to get a built-in drive SKU in the market and get the price below £500 to have the Pro not leave a huge negative hardware cloud on the PS6 launch.
Cutting out the disc drive and upselling along with GT7 feeling like a cloud game when the servers go down is still putting me in the finished with PlayStation consoles camp after PS5 - which will undoubtedly have every PS6 game for the first 4years a cross-gen going by how we still don't really have any PS5 optimised games to sell the hardware.
IMO they've got six months to get a built-in drive SKU in the market and get the price below £500 to have the Pro not leave a huge negative hardware cloud on the PS6 launch.
Cutting out the disc drive and upselling along with GT7 feeling like a cloud game when the servers go down is still putting me in the finished with PlayStation consoles camp after PS5 - which will undoubtedly have every PS6 game for the first 4years a cross-gen going by how we still don't really have any PS5 optimised games to sell the hardware.
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bundylove
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Inkjet when you have termal printers the size of a pocket pussy? Oh you old ass lol
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FrankWza
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PaintTinJr
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The more I think about it, the people in Sony that think the Pro console's presence is to improve margins for an accounts spreadsheet by lopping off valued features like optical and upselling clearly have forgotten or weren't at Sony when the lack of a needed Pro (PS2 Pro) nearly cost them the entire company, and if you had a time machine to go back to launch a PS2 Pro you certainly wouldn't be talking about Premium pricing when you knew what the 360 was going to bring to try and eat your lunch two years early.
You'd be selling at cost or a loss just to position yourself against any inbound platform threat to carry your PS2 momentum straight into a comfortable PS3 transition with a cheap Pro model while you were flying high.
You'd be selling at cost or a loss just to position yourself against any inbound platform threat to carry your PS2 momentum straight into a comfortable PS3 transition with a cheap Pro model while you were flying high.
Gamer_By_Proxy
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Just bundle it with Avowed GTA6 and it’ll fly off shelves.
Topher
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PlayStation is...
lol....I think the year in review for 2025 may very well have a very different perspective on PS5 Pro from what many have right now.
bundylove
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Jaybe
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Premium priced but you then have to go hunt for a disk drive and assemble it doesn’t seem like a premium experience to me. I loosely toyed with getting one as we had a consumer tax holiday for consoles in Canada ending mid-Feb but the lack of disk drive and seemingly mixed or limited enhancements made it a skip.
FrankWza
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now you just find one with an extra hole for your micro friend
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
I'm not in that group, really. It's dumb, imo. I bought a pro, and had the money put away for a mega pc build (for VR) but couldn't actually aquire a 5090 when I tried (pretty glad now tbh). I was just saying, this idea of constant growth when most people are being forced to tighten their belts is fantasy land.But the new marching orders want you all building gaming PCs
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DeepEnigma
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Yeah, my reply wasn’t targeted at you directly, just piggy-back with the new silly narrative from the clown cars.
bundylove
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FrankWza
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I have made this point a few times lately but when you have just cards going for thousands of dollars vs $2k or less to have every single aspect of gaming covered if you buy a full line of PlayStation products it's a no brainer. And you can just get it piece by piece. I'll take the best console plus a handheld, VR and a wheel and pedals setup any day.