Depends on your projected sales. Dustborn probably could've used the Game Pass money.
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Releasing games on Xbox Game Pass hurts sales by upwards of 80%, according to Christopher Dring
coffinbirth
Member
Are we forgetting that BC is a thing? Because some of the most in demand games for the service are actually OG Xbox and 360 games.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yeah, it's called opening the games up to other platforms like Nintendo and PlayStation for sales revenue.
Orbital2060
Member
Sorcerer
Member
The only way I see Gamepass working is if you are an indie and Microsoft pays for development costs, and enough on top of that may cover loss in sales.
At that point you pray your game will get paid attention to.
Then if you can build a name for yourself with a great/hot game. You can kind of use your rep on the next game to try to actually sell it instead of giving it Gamepass or a sub service.
But these are longshots at best. Because you are going to be buried in Gamepass with other triple-A games old and new in any given timeframe and as always, the customer was trained not to pay for your game (outside the sub fee) in the first place, no matter how good it is.
At that point you pray your game will get paid attention to.
Then if you can build a name for yourself with a great/hot game. You can kind of use your rep on the next game to try to actually sell it instead of giving it Gamepass or a sub service.
But these are longshots at best. Because you are going to be buried in Gamepass with other triple-A games old and new in any given timeframe and as always, the customer was trained not to pay for your game (outside the sub fee) in the first place, no matter how good it is.
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Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
None of that is true. It didn't have the spot light of a 1st party title. It didn't have anywhere even remotely close to the amount of hate as the 2nd one. And there was barely even an "other side" last gen. Virtually everyone got a PS4.you know what's ironic?...that the shit talk you are alluding to, happened with the first game too, only on the other side.
is rough man, is rough
But I can tell you're just going to fight anything I say so make up bullshit without me.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
boys, im going to say the quiet part out loud:
If you take out day-and-date AAA releases, the value of Game Pass and its fanboy rhetoric would plummet.
as simple and factual as that.
Woah, if you remove the best part of a service, said service drops in quality?
On topic, duh? The idea is you recoup revenue from subs or if you’re third party, from that GamePass check.
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Mr Moose
Gold Member
The first one was made fun of when it was a timed exclusive for PS as a boring walking sim. I didn't play that one, I did play the second one. It is a boring walking sim.
TheGodfather07
Member
Why would anyone buy 1st party games on xbox when they are on gamepass from day 1? I could get 7 months of gamepass for the cost of one game. Of course the number of copies sold will drastically shrink.
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Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
I remember. I purchased the 1st one on Playstation.
Did it really take 5 years for him to notice?
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Opinion - Game Pass is hurting day one software sales on Xbox could this push publishers & devs away from Xbox Scarlett or will they wait it out?
Right now Game Pass is hurting software sales on Xbox but if Microsoft is successful in creating the Netflix of gaming it could benefit games in the post physical media era when people are not willing to pay $60 for a download.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Of course sales go down. It’s in sub plan and as part of the deal the platform holder pays a fixed fee to get it.
Jake Paul boxing pay per view sales would drop too since a lot of people watched it on NF.
Jake Paul boxing pay per view sales would drop too since a lot of people watched it on NF.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Did it really take 5 years for him to notice?
Opinion - Game Pass is hurting day one software sales on Xbox could this push publishers & devs away from Xbox Scarlett or will they wait it out?
Right now Game Pass is hurting software sales on Xbox but if Microsoft is successful in creating the Netflix of gaming it could benefit games in the post physical media era when people are not willing to pay $60 for a download.
O onQ123 arrives with self quote pictures.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Misleading thread title. He specifically mentioned that Game Pass is hurting sales "on Xbox."
Hustler
Member
I like how his “formula” doesn’t account for the gamepass deal and how much money they get up front. A lot of companies have said the gamepass deal covers their development costs, so every sale afterwards is all profit.
I’m not a fan of gamepass, but at least be honest about all the details.
I forget the numbers, but Sony shared how many potential copies of Horzion Forbidden West were lost due to them bringing it over to PS+ only after a year. They deemed that experiment a failure and didn’t see the jump in subscriptions they were hoping for.
I’m not a fan of gamepass, but at least be honest about all the details.
I forget the numbers, but Sony shared how many potential copies of Horzion Forbidden West were lost due to them bringing it over to PS+ only after a year. They deemed that experiment a failure and didn’t see the jump in subscriptions they were hoping for.
Rawbutt Jellybean
Member
Isn't it profitable?
The Xbox brand is in the shitter because they've had the worst quality software output for 15+ years. GP is one of the few things they're doing right and the real reason you see fanboys hating on it is because they wish the platform they're dedicated to would provide a similar service.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Even when Microsoft initially claimed otherwise, I never bought into it. It just never made sense when they tried to spin it that GP increased game sales.
Some people argued otherwise simply because Microsoft said it so it must be true.
Some people argued otherwise simply because Microsoft said it so it must be true.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
You quote yourself constantly. Its not hard to notice.
T4keD0wN
Member
Upwards of 80% of people have saved money thanks to game pass?
jez corden:
how in the fuck, am i going to spin this shit??!?!?
If we give him the benefit of the doubt (hahaha) his audience are supposedly the consumers, not xbox management and this is in theory good for them.
Fess
Member
Music artists can do tours to recoup the money lost.
Not sure what game developers can do
More expansions and DLC perhaps? Lower quality on subscription services like how there is a loss in quality on Netflix vs Blu-ray? I never buy games on Microsoft Store so I don’t doubt these numbers. I play through Gamepass or buy on Steam.
And when it comes to music I play through Spotify.
For movies I watch through Netflix and the likes or buy on iTunes when there is a delay or on rare occasions buy Blu-ray if I need the best possible quality.
Astray
Member
Interesting that he's only talking facts after he leaves big gaming media.People saying "duh" in this thread but roll back a few years and you had those slightly fishy industry insiders suggesting it doesn't canabalise sales
Business - Analysis - Sales-Age - MAT PISCATELLA (NPD): Still No Sign GamePass Cannibalizes Game Sales
Someone brings up Gears 5; Mat's response: Considering MS 1P games like Forza have continued to do well in spite of GamePass and that MLB The Show was #2 best-selling game on Xbox platforms for April (not counting digital sales, so in actuality it may've been #1 best-selling game there as...
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Astray
Member
They were doing it for growth and to kill competitors, not immediate profit.
This past year they started taking steps that would make it additive, but it might be too late to salvage the now-ingrained Xbox consumer behaviors.
MacReady13
Member
NO! That is not what we need! Can you imagine if this is how it is going forward? Sony and Nintendo follow this trend cause that is what the market demands... How will either of Nintendo and Sony survive without games sales? Microsoft can survive loss of sales (although they now NEED to sell their games on other consoles) but this is NOT a sustainable way for gaming to survive for anyone OTHER than Microsoft, hence why they were trying to brute force this sub service bullshit upon everyone else!
And yet people subscribe to this shit thinking to themselves "well if Microsoft want to give us this great deal, why wouldn't I take advantage of it?" and then wonder in the future why gaming is in a completely fucked position. It's fucked as it is now with the rising costs of game development, and then you add this bullshit to the equation and it equals a bad future for our fav hobby.
TehGoomba7s
Member
No shit. Then you have a fanbase that are accustomed to wait for game pass, and never buy games. There's a reason they have shifted to engagement numbers rather than sales.
j0hnnix
Member
It's really hard to debate this with movies and physical media , sure streaming is a convenient option but at this moment it's still the lowest quality you are getting, unless you purchase a kaleidescape which is absurd cost due to licensing.
Idleyes
Member
Pfft, whatever. In my opinion, Game Pass should primarily be a tool for indie studios to gain exposure. If you make a great game, you can leverage the visibility and audience you built through Game Pass and release your next title on any platform of your choice, taking your newfound fanbase with you. That’s what the so-called 80% (you never had in order to lose to begin with) is paying for.
mayham2199
Member
I agree but I would also add older AAA games as well. Like a year or two after release putting it on a sub service.
It turned out that their glorious depth opening up only on the second playthrough
thismeinteil
Member
The way they're willing to go down with the ship is heroic in a way. A dumb way. But a way nonetheless.The end of the Xbox Ambassador program really did a number on these dudes talking points...
thismeinteil
Member
This is dumbest defense I've ever seen. Game sales, and what little MS gives them up front comparatively, are the biggest way pubs and devs make money. People also do still buy music. Not everyone has switched over to subscriptions. More importantly, they can't go on tour like a music artist and make money, which is where artists are making most of their money, now.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
My GamePass usage in 2024:
1st month. got a free trial, played hellblade 1+2
2nd month. got a free trial, played CoD Blops campaign
3rd month. paid ~$7.50 from a key site, played Indiana Jones
Can't imagine why they're losing money.
1st month. got a free trial, played hellblade 1+2
2nd month. got a free trial, played CoD Blops campaign
3rd month. paid ~$7.50 from a key site, played Indiana Jones
Can't imagine why they're losing money.
jm89
Member
That's why we call him dollar bill phil.
Pop
Member
sainraja
Member
Well, at-least with other people, they have to take the "shit talking" into account when deciding what to buy or ignore. In your case, the Xbox logo is all that is needed. If Hellblade 2 was a PS exclusive, you would be dismissive of the game, just like the "shit talkers" you like to reference.
EDIT
No, he's right. You'd have been the guy on the "other" side.
You've shown your double-standards many times now, where, in order to like HB2 since it is now exclusive to your beloved box, you had to label it "an entirely new genre" so you could justify liking it, which is just BS, lol.
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Now this has me confused. First you deny it by saying "not true" and then continue in a later post with "I remember" — so what do YOU remember? I guess with time, it is easy to forget but people trolled the first, just as much, if not more, than the second one. Perhaps you think it wasn't as bad because some of the trolling aimed at the game was bundled with "other" Sony games, the very reason, you had to 'label' HB2 a completely new genre.
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Topher
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Only Microsoft game I've bought in years was Starfield. Honestly should have just played the Game Pass version.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Same
