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RTX 5090 Review Thread
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Kilau
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B&H lists that as using a B850 chipset, not horrible but definetly not enthusisast level for a $4,600 PC. Gen 4 PCIE which doesn't matter in practice but still kinda lame for the brand-new Gen 5 5090.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
It’s already out, isn’t it?
dolabla
Member
I thought there's supposed to be a driver update? I haven't seen anything yet.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Yea I'm waiting for the driver update instead of that replace files from CP77 method.
TheTurboFD
Member
it came out with Cyberpunk latest update. Use the latest DLSS Swapper to get it into other games that have DLSS. Could also wait till the 30th for the Nvidia app update that does this for you.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
That is almost downright reasonable. They probably cheap out on PSU, RAM and Motherboard though to cut some corners. And SSD is likely to be a less expensive version without DRAM cache.Yeah their 5090 prebuilt are not cheap though I think they 5080s are decently priced
Still, that’s a good overall price.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Being. Cyberpower its going to cut some corners just how much that relates to lost performance versus the decent price is hard to tell
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Probably not much to average user who wants to just buy and use it for say 3-4 years.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
I suggest playing with your settings/curve. I am at 80% power output. My cards temps reduced to the point where I generally do not hear it (fans run low due to better temps). Using benchmarks apps I average about 99.1% of the performance for 80% of the power usage. I did OC the memory a bit. I might have a better card though...
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simpatico
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I just got a 12GB card and I’ve got several games that saturate it at 1080p. Anyone buying a 12GB 5000 card is in for a rough go. I don’t think they will age well. 12GB is insane for a 5070.
cormack12
Gold Member
You can see the strategy for Nvidia.
Smash rendering resolution to lower frame buffer memory, and then use NTC to squash the textures compressing the vram footprint further. Snake oil. Push back needs to start now.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
Here's my UV results
My OC settings 2925MHz (59.9TF 820GB/s memory bandwidth), GPU temp during built in benchmark between 66-67C, power draw between 285-295W. I wonder how many fps the RTX4090 has with similar settings.
Stock settings (56.2TF 736GB/s memory bandwidth), temp 64-65C, power draw 275-285W
UV settings (stock core and memory clock), temp 59-61C, powerdraw 220-235W. The game runs comparable to the default settings, but I noticed a stutter during the benchmark start (visible in this graph). IDK if UV caused this, but I have noticed it.
My RTX4080S is dead quiet at 99% GPU usage, regardless of core frequency. Even coil whine is extremely subtle compared to my previous GPUs. I think coolers on the RTX4080S cards are too big and can be considered overkill for this chip. The temperatures are very low even after OC. On my old 8800Ultra I had around 85C and the card worked fine for years, so I think anything below 70C is great.
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simpatico
Member
Hence why after owning every xx80 between the 280 and 1080, I just bought a used 6750xt.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Cyberpunk 2077 already has DLSS 4 support. Works quite well on my 4090. Performance mode is legit good,too.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
DLSS4 has been super impressive so far. I checked it out in Cyberpunk and looks quite a bit better.
Eventhough I’ve swapped the DLL files in Indiana Jones, im going to wait until the new patch with full DLSS4 support comes out.
Eventhough I’ve swapped the DLL files in Indiana Jones, im going to wait until the new patch with full DLSS4 support comes out.
Dr.D00p
Member
Maybe for the consumer but for Nvidia it's planned obsolescence that will ensure people will keep buying new cards every couple of years...or, what they really wan,t to up sell you to a more expensive card with 16GB.
SolidQ
Member
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I thought it would be bad, but this has “exceeded” my expectations.
peish
Member
Here’s hoping Nvidia will do a 12 months time refresh with 5080ti and 5090ti on 3nm, with at least 480w tdp limits
Im not hopeful times have changed, AI bros will fomo any Nvidia gpu and supply will never catch up for Jensen to worry about weak gains
Its jover for gamers
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
I thought it would be bad, but this has “exceeded” my expectations.
Yeah this is terrible. I was thinking of not getting a 5090 due to the heat and power consumption, and get a 5080 instead. But then this garbage performance. Both of these are absolutely shitty cards!
Corporal.Hicks
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If the RTX5080 is 8% faster than my RTX4080S, it should average around 92fps in the techpowerup test at 4K. The RTX5090 has 152fps in this test so I expect a relative difference of 65%.
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simpatico
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Here's my thing. How many games that demand a 5 series are even going to drop before the 6 series? Doom's is probably pretty easy to run. Hell even the Rockstar engine was really nice in efficient the last time we saw it in RDR2. Frostbite is dead. RED Engine no longer exists (rip). That informed a lot of me going the budget/used route. If I'm lucky I'll be playing six brand new AAA releases per year. That's a very optimistic figure. The rest of game releases I'll be able to max out no prob with the 6750. I get 150fps in Uncharted 4 and TLOU maxed. Hell I can even ray trace Silent Hill 2 if I use FSR.
For my resolution (1080p) it didn't make a lot of sense to go half measures. You either go 4080 Super, or IMO, used budget range like I did. Game engines seem to be in a big transitionary phase, and I'll wait to see where they land before I make an investment beyond the "impulse" dollar range.
For my resolution (1080p) it didn't make a lot of sense to go half measures. You either go 4080 Super, or IMO, used budget range like I did. Game engines seem to be in a big transitionary phase, and I'll wait to see where they land before I make an investment beyond the "impulse" dollar range.
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Schmendrick
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Depending on your target resolution and fps every single one or none.
I´m sitting in front of a dual-UHD 240hz monitor soooooo.......
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Thats bad.
I thought/hoped for Nvidias sake it would atleast clear the 4090 easy work.
But this is embarassing.
I imagine a 4080Ti would trump this card easy work.
My decision to skip the RTX 50s looking better and better.
Ive got no real upgrade path.
Well might as well wait for the RTX60s or the Super Node shrink if they manage it.
This looks abysmal:
Schmendrick
Member
FingerBang
Member
You waited 2 more years for 8% better performance at the same price?For people with a 4xxx gen card, yes. For people with 3xxx cards or lower, no.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Personally was too busy waging console war to bother with PC gaming. I've retired now so i'm back in the game.
Schmendrick
Member
A lot of us don`t actively wait for GPUs. If it wasn`t for my monitor setup I´d not even look at the 5xxx series now.
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FingerBang
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You did what you had to do, brother. I don't believe you have retired; it's just a break. The PS6 will eventually come out, and you must prove the green rats wrong. I will also invite you to go into the Switch 2 threads now and then to show them who the home console boss really is.
I get your point, but I disagree. The value of this card is still awful. If you have to choose between a 4080 and a 5080 now for the same price, sure, the 5080 seems marginally better. But objectively, it's a bad deal for people coming from the 3000 series, too.
If we had a real performance bump, you'd be able to get 4090 performance for the same price. You're getting, more or less, the same as 2 years ago for more or less the same price.
//DEVIL//
Member
I am not following that logic.
Yes I agree as gen to gen improvement is not high. But it does have new technology/ still faster than the original 4080/ cheaper than the original 4080.
Sure it’s same price as 4080s. But that card was released last year. I am not sure how much of a gab in terms of power you are expecting when it’s been known for a year now that this gen will still use the same node as 4000 series.
You don’t have to buy the 5000 series if you are happy with your current gpu. I am using a spare 3080ti because I sold the 4090 and want a 5090. But the truth is if I don’t get one guess what? My 3080ti still plays my games fine lol. Beauty of PC man
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Schmendrick
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oof let`s not go down this rabbit hole. Since the crypto boom and the ai boom after it the word "value" in regards to GPUs is something best avoided.
We´re talking about a company with 70+% margin after all, so no matter how you look at it the consumer is always getting fucked here.
I´m pragmatically looking at a ~50% uplift from my 3080 with the 5080 for ~1k and that`s simply what I have to live with since there is no competition and no node shrink from TSMC.
Would more be better? ofc, but no one can offer it atm so not really worth discussing.
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SolidQ
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AMD just can do GDDR7 version 9070XT 24GB(3gb modules) add 12-15% perf, tie with 5080, and sell for like 800$. Only question want LiSa to do GDDR7 version...
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Corporal.Hicks
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Ampere's GPUs are still fast and offer at least console-like quality (much better if we take DLSS technology into account). The biggest problem with RTX 30 series cards are VRAM. The RTX3090 have plenty of VRAM, but most RTX30 GPUs are VRAM limited in a lot of games and that's a real problem, so upgrading even to 4070tiSuper would make sense to a lot of RTX30 owners, yet alone something like RTX5070ti, or RTX5080.
"Ada Lovelace" GPUs absolutely destroy "Ampere" in PT games (even without FGx2), and I think we will see more and more PT games.
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FingerBang
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Is the 5080 a bad card? Fuck no, it still offers excellent performance. But it's still disappointing as a next-generation card if it's the same performance as a 4080, which was released in 2022, not last year. You may be thinking of the Super, which also had the same performance, it was just a price cut.
I hear you, and I still think it's probably the best card to buy at around $1000. I might get one since I need a second card, and I'm not buying a 5090 at that price. But I was expecting a 5080 to be at least faster than a 4090 and have more than 16GB of RAM. I might even get a discounted 4080 if I can find one.
Bojji
Member
Thats bad.
I thought/hoped for Nvidias sake it would atleast clear the 4090 easy work.
But this is embarassing.
I imagine a 4080Ti would trump this card easy work.
My decision to skip the RTX 50s looking better and better.
Ive got no real upgrade path.
Well might as well wait for the RTX60s or the Super Node shrink if they manage it.
This looks abysmal:
I told you guys it's gonna be slower than 4090...
This GPU has actual TF advantage over 4080S, 5070ti is on par with 4070tis, I wonder how it will perform...
This also shows that 4080 was not really memory bandwidth starved (same is also true for 4090).
Corporal.Hicks
Member
Many reviewers refer to the 5090 as the 4090ti, but the RTX4090ti was rumoured to only offer a 10% performance boost comparered to the RTX4090. The RTX5090 offers 35% better performance on average and there are games that show much higher scaling.
Results from techpowerup review:
www.techpowerup.com
Cyberpunk 4K raster : 74fps RTX4090, 108fps RTX5090 FE (47% relative difference), 113fps RTX5090 MSI Suprim (52% relative difference).
Ghost Of Tsushima 4K raster : 89fps RTX4090, 129fps RTX5090 FE (45% relative difference), 134fps RTX5090 MSI Suprim (50% relative diffefence).
Like A Dragon 8 4K raster : 89fps RTX4090, 134fps RTX5090 FE (50% relative difference), RTX5090 MSI Suprim (55% relative difference).
Warhammer Space Marine 2 : 88fps RTX4090, 125fps RTX5090 FE (42% relative difference), 133fps RTX5090 MSI Suprim (51% relative diffefence).
TLOU1 Remake : 76fps RTX4090, 108fps RTX5090 FE (42% relative difference), 112fps RTX5090 MSI Suprim (47% relative difference).
The RTX5090 can even double the results of RTX4090 in memory bandwidth limited test. Youtuber zWORMz benchmarked 5090 in RDR2 at 4K max settings with MSAAx8 and this card was twice as fast compared to 4090.
Newer games will use neural rendering features and memory bandwidth will be crucial, so I think the gap between the RTX4090 and RTX5090 will only widen.
The 5090 is overpriced and won't even appeal to enthusiast gamers, but it offers unrivalled performance, so I can see why rich people are willing to buy it. The RTX5090 offers performance as 4080S in SLI, so I'm very impressed. Of course it also doubles TDP and the price
, so I'm not even thinking about upgrade. However, if the RTX6080 offers the same performance for $1000 and 300 TDP, I will definitely consider upgrading my GPU.
Results from techpowerup review:
MSI GeForce RTX 5090 Suprim SOC Review
The MSI GeForce RTX 5090 Suprim SOC is the best RTX 5090 custom design that we've tested. Thanks to its large cooling solution, paired with perfect fan settings, it's the quietest card available, much quieter than the Founders Edition. Thanks to the factory OC you also get some extra performance.
Cyberpunk 4K raster : 74fps RTX4090, 108fps RTX5090 FE (47% relative difference), 113fps RTX5090 MSI Suprim (52% relative difference).
Ghost Of Tsushima 4K raster : 89fps RTX4090, 129fps RTX5090 FE (45% relative difference), 134fps RTX5090 MSI Suprim (50% relative diffefence).
Like A Dragon 8 4K raster : 89fps RTX4090, 134fps RTX5090 FE (50% relative difference), RTX5090 MSI Suprim (55% relative difference).
Warhammer Space Marine 2 : 88fps RTX4090, 125fps RTX5090 FE (42% relative difference), 133fps RTX5090 MSI Suprim (51% relative diffefence).
TLOU1 Remake : 76fps RTX4090, 108fps RTX5090 FE (42% relative difference), 112fps RTX5090 MSI Suprim (47% relative difference).
The RTX5090 can even double the results of RTX4090 in memory bandwidth limited test. Youtuber zWORMz benchmarked 5090 in RDR2 at 4K max settings with MSAAx8 and this card was twice as fast compared to 4090.
Newer games will use neural rendering features and memory bandwidth will be crucial, so I think the gap between the RTX4090 and RTX5090 will only widen.
The 5090 is overpriced and won't even appeal to enthusiast gamers, but it offers unrivalled performance, so I can see why rich people are willing to buy it. The RTX5090 offers performance as 4080S in SLI, so I'm very impressed. Of course it also doubles TDP and the price
, so I'm not even thinking about upgrade. However, if the RTX6080 offers the same performance for $1000 and 300 TDP, I will definitely consider upgrading my GPU.
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FingerBang
Member
They call it 4090ti because there seem to be no architectural gains. 30% bigger, 30ish% more performance (we've seen it going from 25 to 35, so I'm averaging all of that), for 25% more of the price.
The 4090 offered 70% better performance for a 5% price increase. It offered a significantly better cost per frame. It was also much faster and cheaper than the 3090ti.
This doesn't mean the 5090 is a bad card. It's still the most powerful card you can get today. It reminds me a lot of the 2080ti at launch (which also felt crazy expensive back then, go figure)
Schmendrick
Member
Disregarding money:
A very big jump and for the cpu side it's the 9800x3d no question.
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Corporal.Hicks
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In raster games, Nvidia has not been able to improve performance without increasing power consumption and cost, but perhaps upcoming games that use natural features will benefit from the new architecture.
But if we ignore the cost and power consumption, the RTX5090 is a fantastic card. If I won millions in the lottery I'd buy it without thinking too much about its value
. This thing will last 10 years if not more becasue TSMC hit the node wall. IMO not even the PS6Pro will be as fast. In that perspective even the price $2000 isnt that bad (around $17 per month for 10 years).When it comes to average performance, I like to look at the TechPowerUp benchmarks because they include data from a large number of games.
According to the data in this chart (average fps from 25 raster games at 4K) the RTX4090 offered 70% higher performance than the RTX3090 and 51% compared to the 3090ti. The RTX5090 FE offers 35% better performance compared to the RTX4090. MSI suprim 5090 is 39% faster. Of course, 35% on average means it can be lower, but some games already scale much higher than that.
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