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[James Sawyer Ford]

I don't really understand it either but I'll do my best:

• Earlier this week there was a rumor that Saudi Arabia was banning the game because of haram content. No one knew what it was.
• People found out the game has gay sex or something and that caused people to start losing their shit on the Steam forums.
• A screenshot of a black NPC come to light around this time. People lose their shit.
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• Steam forums kick into overdrive, to the point that a mod working for Warhorse has to put her foot down. Things kick into overdrive.
• People on Steam forums dig up the mods Twitter account and find out she's an SJW. Things kick into hyperdrive.

This is where we're at now.

You down for some unskippable gay sex now kach?

 

[Kacho]

You down for some unskippable gay sex now kach?

Nah, I’m more interested in the drama rather than the game itself. I played the first and bounced off hard. Jank ass combat and not interested in the setting. Needs more Todd Howard.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Nah, I’m more interested in the drama rather than the game itself. I played the first and bounced off hard. Jank ass combat and not interested in the setting. Needs more Todd Howard.

Man, I thought it was the best Elder Scrolls game I've played in a long time.

 

[LectureMaster]

I don't really understand it either but I'll do my best:

• Earlier this week there was a rumor that Saudi Arabia was banning the game because of haram content. No one knew what it was.
• People found out the game has gay sex or something and that caused people to start losing their shit on the Steam forums.
• A screenshot of a black NPC come to light around this time. People lose their shit.
  Spoiler

  
• Steam forums kick into overdrive, to the point that a mod working for Warhorse has to put her foot down. Things kick into overdrive.
• People on Steam forums dig up the mods Twitter account and find out she's an SJW. Things kick into hyperdrive.

This is where we're at now.

God damn, just simply can't keep up with the recent dramas, lol.

My man Musk faking being a pro in POE2? My guy Daniel "the based man" Vavra turning back to chuds?

Guess I'll just go back and more Stellar Blade, lol.

But joke aside back on the topic, having a gay or black character doesn't necessary mean the game is going woke, I guess folks online are just mad at KCD1 sticking with the "historical accuracy" but then adding black character in the sequel. Need to see more to make judgment. Like you mentioned, it appears so far nobody knows how exactly those would be presented in the game.

 

[Kotaro]

That's a lot of words to not actually say anything. Looks like all rumors are true.

OK his refusal to address it in a direct manner pretty much confirms it

I guess it's a NON-BUY-nary for me

 

[Sentenza]

OK his refusal to address it in a direct manner pretty much confirms it

I guess it's a NON-BUY-nary for me

God, you people may actually be retarded.

 

[Senua]

God, you people may actually be retarded.

"Chuds" are showing their arses on this one

 

[TMLT]

One of the things I dislike most about shit like this, is that nobody really batted an eyelid at a black or gay character in a game say 15 years ago, but all this DEI shit made everything feel so systematic, aggressive and forced that we have these controversies over every third fucking game that comes out nowadays. Games have become a political battleground just like everything else.

Also, how about...you know...actually make a game about Mansa Musa or something? notice how they never do that? Africa is an untapped and interesting setting for games and you could have ALL the characters be none white, and yet in this era we are somehow not seeing any increase in games tapping into that. Its so weird.

 

[Sentenza]

But joke aside back on the topic, having a gay or black character doesn't necessary mean the game is going woke, I guess folks online are just mad at KCD1 sticking with the "historical accuracy" but then adding black character in the sequel. Need to see more to make judgment. Like you mentioned, it appears so far nobody knows how exactly those would be presented in the game.

The thing is: getting mad because a game has a black character is EXACTLY on the same level of retardation as getting mad because a game doesn't have enough black characters from the "other team".

One of the things I dislike most about shit like this, is that nobody really batted an eyelid at a black or gay character in a game say 15 years ago, but all this DEI shit made everything feel so systematic, aggressive and forced that we have these controversies over every third fucking game that comes out nowadays.

Yeah, it's the so called "swing of the pendulum" and frankly speaking it's so fucking tiring.
It's almost as if people feel constantly the need to OVERCOMPENSATE and can't just go back to be, you know... fucking normal.

Also, how about...you know...actually make a game about Mansa Musa or something? notice how they never do that? Africa is an untapped and interesting setting for games and you could have ALL the characters be none white, and yet in this era we are somehow not seeing any increase in games tapping into that. Its so weird.

Yeah, this is something that has always been weird FROM THE BEGINNING about this outcry on representation.
If you want to see more African or Indian representation in games, what about expecting it from, you know, African and Indian developers, rather than expecting other cultures to do the homework for them?
American, European and Asian developers aren't exactly begging other ethnic groups to do the job in their place, either.

 

[Three]

"Chuds" are showing their arses on this one

Is it skippable though?

 

[Ridicululzz]

Here's a post Vavra made on Facebook about it:

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Post was auto translated, so not sure about accuracy.

 

[IDKFA]

Are we really getting into fits over a gay scene? Gay people did exist in the medieval period.

This isn't the hill to die on.

 

[ChoosableOne]

That's a lot of words to not actually say anything. Looks like all rumors are true.

He says you can sleep with anyone you want, its not his fault if you(as Henry) into men or bears. Choose the bear and avoid the drama.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

One black who looks like Azeem from Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves and people are losing their minds. LMAO.

It's not like he's walking up to the NPC like "Hello fellow European."

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Are people really getting the pitchforks out over a gay scene? If you're boycotting the game because of that then do you really think that there weren't gay people back in those days? If you think that they didn't exist then you're probably not old enough to play this game anyway.

I can't imagine for a second that the developers would have put something in the game without a good reason or without it being authentic to the time period.

 

[UnrealEck]

Are people really getting the pitchforks out over a gay scene? If you're boycotting the game because of that then do you really think that there weren't gay people back in those days? If you think that they didn't exist then you're probably not old enough to play this game anyway.

I can't imagine for a second that the developers would have put something in the game without a good reason or without it being authentic to the time period.

Gay was invented in the 1980's by the rock legend and lead singer of the band Queen.

 

[tylrdiablos]

Actin' like it's the 15th century with that attitude.

 

[Kotaro]

Are we really getting into fits over a gay scene? Gay people did exist in the medieval period.

This isn't the hill to die on.

Looking at the momentum AND the unlimited other games to play, It ain't the chuds who are dying

 

[Trilobit]

One black who looks like Azeem from Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves and people are losing their minds. LMAO.

It's not like he's walking up to the NPC like "Hello fellow European."

Nah, he just goes up and says: "Hello, I'm from East Africa, I'm a scholar, explorer and physician. In my country we treat women better than you do and we put great worth in learning stuff."

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Nah, he just goes up and says: "Hello, I'm from East Africa, I'm a scholar, explorer and physician. In my country we treat women better than you do and we put great worth in learning stuff."

I only see one lie in that list and its not the science related stuff.

 

[MMaRsu]

OK his refusal to address it in a direct manner pretty much confirms it

I guess it's a NON-BUY-nary for me

Options make the game woke!

 

[Mozart36]

Yep. Nowadays it's as easy as - you have some black and some gay in your game, you'r woke. You don't have them, you'r anti-woke. It's so f stupid. There is nothing in the middle, well except the f reality, but yeah, deny it and categorize everyone like a stupid f child.
I'm sorry, it is just so frustrating to see this nonsense here

 

[IDKFA]

Looking at the momentum AND the unlimited other games to play, It ain't the chuds who are dying

It's not worth fighting over a scene with a gay guy. Gay people exist and always have done.

If the game had a trans character who was talking about their recent top surgery to a non-binary person then I'd get it. That would be immersion breaking in a historical game set in the medieval era. But a single scene with a gay person? No.

It's this sort of nonsense that makes the pendulum swing the other way. We need to get over this "woke" vs "chud" culture war bollocks and strive for balance.

 

[solecon64]

I feel like a lot of people are being disingenuous when using the black character and gay sex as the sole reasons for the people's outrage against Warhorse.

Look at the new community manager that the company has and look at their new community code of conduct.

These are clear patterns that we've seen time and time again in other brain rot videogames. These are the actual things that get people riled up. Because we've been here before. And it's never any different.

 

[Gonzito]

Mass Effect has gay characters and its one of the best videogames ever made.

I think it's all about how you make it, how you write it and how you represent it

 

[PeteBull]

My take on this is simple: if gay sex scene is consequence of our few particular choices, aka normal straight guy wont experience it unless he pretends to be gay in game- whatevs.
On the other hand if scene or scenes are forced on us- wont support the game with my money, let modern audience do it instead, i heard there are 25k concordians out there, eager to play some new games xD
There is 3rd option when for example gay sex scene could be rape/torture if u get captured by enemy, that would be logical coz cases like that are known worldwide and happened even in ancient Greece, supposedly band of thebes even defeated spartans in battle:

 

[Kacho]

Man, I thought it was the best Elder Scrolls game I've played in a long time.

I hear that a lot. I’d probably love it if I gave it a serious shot. Maybe one of these days.

 

[stevish]

I hear that a lot. I’d probably love it if I gave it a serious shot. Maybe one of these days.

Just play with some mods to get past whatever it is that's stopping you, incredibly unique game.

 

[Darkness_Arises]

Looking at the momentum AND the unlimited other games to play, It ain't the chuds who are dying

Will be chilling with MH Wilds, where nobody shoves shit up their ass.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Yup, Vavra had every right to call this dipshit a Nazi.

Yeaaaah, absolutely no surprise there. That guy is an absolute loon.

The thing is: getting mad because a game has a black character is EXACTLY on the same level of retardation as getting mad because a game doesn't have enough black characters from the "other team".

This is how it has always felt to me. Both "sides" claim that they're not like the others, while attempting to act like they're superior and the other is inferior. All while saying their own stuff/pushing their own agenda that is essentially at the same level of ridiculousness as the other, if not even more so.

This whole thing is ridiculous. I just can't imagine these folks living life stressing about something like that, or wasting so much energy on it. It's sad to me.

 

[Yerd]

What happens to the guy that had to watch it to determine it was immoral? Do they stone him, or whatever medieval shit they do to such a heathen that bore witness to immorality?

 

[Fabieter]

Even kcd2 is DEI now. Easy skip.

 

[Fabieter]

This is how it has always felt to me. Both "sides" claim that they're not like the others, while attempting to act like they're superior and the other is inferior. All while saying their own stuff/pushing their own agenda that is essentially at the same level of ridiculousness as the other, if not even more so.

I dont think its the same when KDC tries to be as authentic as possible and while black people existed in Czech at a time. They were soo rare that it's soo unlikely that's its rather an agenda than actual authenticity. They deserve what's coming at them if they fall for all the same shit like all other western game devs.

 

[adamsapple]

My take on this is simple: if gay sex scene is consequence of our few particular choices, aka normal straight guy wont experience it unless he pretends to be gay in game- whatevs.
On the other hand if scene or scenes are forced on us- wont support the game with my money, let modern audience do it instead, i heard there are 25k concordians out there, eager to play some new games xD
There is 3rd option when for example gay sex scene could be rape/torture if u get captured by enemy, that would be logical coz cases like that are known worldwide and happened even in ancient Greece, supposedly band of thebes even defeated spartans in battle:

is .... is that Linus in the middle?

 

[Kotaro]

Will be chilling with MH Wilds, where nobody shoves shit up their ass.

yep, MH Wilds and Pirates Yakuza, the concept is hilariously stupid it has to be played

 

[a'la mode]

It's extremely funny that everyone's brains are so cooked you can't even make coherent distinctions anymore. Anything that deviates from or presents anything but the white ubermensch macho man ideal for any reason is either woke, DEI, or both at this point. Did you know that such an environment is called "homogenous"?

Yeah, you know, actually, maybe you all just want some of that. Maybe it's just insecurity in your own sexuality and a deep-seated desire for some gay luvin but y'all are just in denial, just like American megachurch pastors who preach against the bad gay but deep down want it so bad. It's okay, you can keep telling Gaf you will boycott the game, and still get it and play it. No one will know.

 

[Hypereides]

OK his refusal to address it in a direct manner pretty much confirms it

I guess it's a NON-BUY-nary for me

Dude, chillax. I get it, the recent years have made some of you sensitive to any notion of this. It may be because he doesn't want to rob gamers from unravelling the story for themselves and without giving away exact details of what happens. Seriously, cut him some slack.

I really don't want to give the "there is no such thing as political correctness in gaming!"-crowd leeway, but some of you need to temper yourselves. Especially, in Vavra's case. Its going to make you look hysteric in hindsight if it turns out to be something minute or tastefully written. I mean, this is the script in printed form:

There are multiple unknowns atm.

 

[StereoVsn]

Are we really getting into fits over a gay scene? Gay people did exist in the medieval period.

This isn't the hill to die on.

There was a gay character in the first game as well. And well, Catholic Chirch was pretty big in those times I heard.

 

[Fabieter]

It's extremely funny that everyone's brains are so cooked you can't even make coherent distinctions anymore. Anything that deviates from or presents anything but the white ubermensch macho man ideal for any reason is either woke, DEI, or both at this point. Did you know that such an environment is called "homogenous"?

Yeah, you know, actually, maybe you all just want some of that. Maybe it's just insecurity in your own sexuality and a deep-seated desire for some gay luvin but y'all are just in denial, just like American megachurch pastors who preach against the bad gay but deep down want it so bad. It's okay, you can keep telling Gaf you will boycott the game, and still get it and play it. No one will know.

It's so funny that dei is fine when it hits some games people like.

 

[geary]

I'm tired from the lunatics from both side...

 

[StereoVsn]

Nah, he just goes up and says: "Hello, I'm from East Africa, I'm a scholar, explorer and physician. In my country we treat women better than you do and we put great worth in learning stuff."

The women bit is a bit suspect but everything else looks normal. The game is set in a pretty important city in Bohemia. I believe at the time Bohemia was a seat of HRE Emperor (unless Habsburg took it already).

 

[Kilau]

is .... is that Linus in the middle?

…You know what’s not lame? Our sponsor, GAY SEX!

 

[MiguelItUp]

I dont think its the same when KDC tries to be as authentic as possible and while black people existed in Czech at a time. They were soo rare that it's soo unlikely that's its rather an agenda than actual authenticity. They deserve what's coming at them if they fall for all the same shit like all other western game devs.

I think them "existing at a time" even if rare doesn't mean it's in authentic to include them. Especially if it was a single character. I'm personally not even seeing how this is "such a big deal", but different strokes for different folks.

 

[CosmicComet]

You cant skip the scene.

I mean i I'll skip the game

 

[Fabieter]

I think them "existing at a time" even if rare doesn't mean it's in authentic to include them. Especially if it was a single character. I'm personally not even seeing how this is "such a big deal", but different strokes for different folks.

Most of the time those characters are written soo badly that's clear that their only purpose is some kind of agenda. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

 

[Trilobit]

The women bit is a bit suspect but everything else looks normal. The game is set in a pretty important city in Bohemia. I believe at the time Bohemia was a seat of HRE Emperor (unless Habsburg took it already).

Yeah, we'll see what the overall feel of the game is. Embracer Group being heavy on the ESG stuff is a warning signal though. That's the one major difference from KCD1.

 

[GulfCoastZilla]

I feel like if time machines were a thing, a certain sub set of entitled gamers would be mortified by the realities of the past. Gay people existed, black people existed. 30 years of playing video games were everyone in those game universes were straight really messed with people’s perception of reality.

 

[Topher]

The thing is: getting mad because a game has a black character is EXACTLY on the same level of retardation as getting mad because a game doesn't have enough black characters from the "other team".

Exactly right. Flip side of the same coin but somehow some folks can't see it.

Yeah, it's the so called "swing of the pendulum" and frankly speaking it's so fucking tiring.
It's almost as if people feel constantly the need to OVERCOMPENSATE and can't just go back to be, you know... fucking normal.



Yeah, this is something that has always been weird FROM THE BEGINNING about this outcry on representation.
If you want to see more African or Indian representation in games, what about expecting it from, you know, African and Indian developers, rather than expecting other cultures to do the homework for them?
American, European and Asian developers aren't exactly begging other ethnic groups to do the job in their place, either.

Reminds me of this bit of wisdom from Denzel Washington.

 

[EnzoArt]

Are we really getting into fits over a gay scene? Gay people did exist in the medieval period.

This isn't the hill to die on.

in that place in Bohemia and at that time, at best they were burned alive.

 

[Shodai]

These topics are a bellweather, simple as that.