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[funkygunther]

...how long before Russia lashes out against NATO? I do think the UK defence minster and US comments were unnecessarily inflammatory and play into the "Russia is a victim" narrative. The next steps here are either massive cyber attacks, a nuke or chemical weapon in Ukraine or a move against Finland and Sweden to prevent them joining NATO (by creating a border dispute with both countries).

"lashes out"? never

rest of this is just some fantasy war-mongering

 

[Alx]

Is that Sims /SIM story verified actually? Or is it NY Post nonsense?

Must be a troll either way : either it's fake, or it's a deliberate sabotage from whomever was in charge of it.

In other news with all that talk over Germany, nobody mentioned they agreed to send tanks to Ukraine this morning ?

 

[EviLore]

Russian propaganda claiming that LGBTQ Nazis backed by the United States infiltrated Mariupol.

 

[Wildebeest]

“Nato, in essence, is engaged in a war with Russia through a proxy and is arming that proxy. War means war.”

The correct term is "special operation to uphold the spirit of the Budapest memorandum". If it was war, then surely the US would devote more than a fraction of a percent of their military budget to it.

 

[Azurro]

I googled that word and boy, sure I didn’t need to learn about another atrocity committed by the human race against its brethren.

Russia sure does have an interesting idea of how to treat their brothers.

 

[Azurro]

Russian propaganda claiming that LGBTQ Nazis backed by the United States infiltrated Mariupol.

Russia's propaganda is interestingly stupid. Since when are LGBT people known for their military might? At least show the remains of a karaoke party or something. They get creativity points for the satanic imagery though.

 

[Ironbunny]

Russian propaganda claiming that LGBTQ Nazis backed by the United States infiltrated Mariupol.

The fact that this can be broadcasted with a straight face on a national TV and nobody bats an eye tells you how disconnected they are about from reality. Waiting for the news about Cthulhu and deal Ukraine made with mind reading bats from hell next.

 

[Alx]

Russia's propaganda is interestingly stupid. Since when are LGBT people known for their military might?

Tbh there was that time in ancient Greece...

The Thebans believed gay warriors fought better in order to impress and protect their lovers. If a lover fell during a battle, his partner would fight even harder to avenge his death.

 

[EviLore]

Russia's propaganda is interestingly stupid. Since when are LGBT people known for their military might? At least show the remains of a karaoke party or something. They get creativity points for the satanic imagery though.

A play on a Russian meme:

 

[Kraz]

Russian propaganda claiming that LGBTQ Nazis backed by the United States infiltrated Mariupol.

It was a matter of time once they found the Sims.

 

[TheDreadLord]

I read somewhere that if the countries buying the oil lowers enough Russia has to decide whether it is wise to shut down a pipe or keep it running. If they decide to shut it down (forced as not sold enough) its basicly shut down for good as the pressure on the pipes ruins the whole lenght of the pipes. Thats if hey cant sell it fast enough or build capasity to store it somewhere.

This is not how it works. You can shut whenever you want. There might be other issues later on, when restating production but nothing that would kill a pipeline.

 

[Ironbunny]

This is not how it works. You can shut whenever you want. There might be other issues later on, when restating production but nothing that would kill a pipeline.

Seems to depend of the area and what is running trough those but yea not a total desctruction. How ever it might take years to restart. If the pipeline is located at permafrost area the drop in flow would mean blocking of pipes and valves due to temperature change. And knowing how well Russia maitains their stuff...

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2020-05-28/shutting-down-oil-wells-a-risky-and-expensive-option/

 

[EviLore]

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Eh, as a married person this seems to track…

 

[TheDreadLord]

Seems to depend of the area and what is running trough those but yea not a total desctruction. How ever it might take years to restart. If the pipeline is located at permafrost area the drop in flow would mean blocking of pipes and valves due to temperature change. And knowing how well Russia maitains their stuff...

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2020-05-28/shutting-down-oil-wells-a-risky-and-expensive-option/

You can still pig the pipelines and in general you wont shut down a line without cleaning it of oil or filling it with something that prevents future blockages.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

 

[MikeM]

Their faces. Lol thanks Putin? War make Russia great? Now I can afford some potatoes?

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

I bet all other oligarchs are shitting their beds and getting a lot of protection against suicide.

List of Russian Oligarchs Who Died Since Ukraine Invasion

www.viralglobenews.com

 

[Ozriel]

Russia accuses Nato of ‘proxy war’ in Ukraine as US hosts crucial defence summit

Ukraine dismisses Sergei Lavrov’s war comments as diplomats gather in Germany for US-hosted talks to navigate ‘critical’ phase

www.theguardian.com

“Nato, in essence, is engaged in a war with Russia through a proxy and is arming that proxy. War means war.”

I think the appropriate response from the US should be “if you were in a ground war with the US/NATO, you’d know it”

The next steps here are either massive cyber attacks, a nuke or chemical weapon in Ukraine or a move against Finland and Sweden to prevent them joining NATO (by creating a border dispute with both countries).

Their cyber attack prowess was significantly overstated. Ukraine’s proven resilient to that.

They won’t dare open up a new front with Sweden and Finland. Those countries can punch above their weight, and are well versed with NATO equipment.

Seriously, is it too hard for Russia to just pull back?

 

[MastaKiiLA]

 

[akimbo009]

You can still pig the pipelines and in general you wont shut down a line without cleaning it of oil or filling it with something that prevents future blockages.

You have to seal a well if you have excess oil you can't sell or store or otherwise handle. Once you seal you need to run a new well. That's expensive.

Folks are also not understanding, in terms of oil purchase, is that there aren't many places Russia can sell to since energy demand is low due to recessionary pressure and lingering COVID effects. This is particularly pronounced in China where they are in various lock downs and their economy is ground to a halt. They aren't a market for Russia's oil - at least not enough to offset a drop in demand from Germany or the EU.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I think the appropriate response from the US should be “if you were in a ground war with the US/NATO, you’d know it”




Their cyber attack prowess was significantly overstated. Ukraine’s proven resilient to that.

They won’t dare open up a new front with Sweden and Finland. Those countries can punch above their weight, and are well versed with NATO equipment.

Seriously, is it too hard for Russia to just pull back?

Can’t.

They need to wait until at least May 9 and do the victory parade before they pull out.

 

[Ozriel]

Can’t.

They need to wait until at least May 9 and do the victory parade before they pull out.

Pride has killed more men than anything else

There’ll be thousands more Russian widows because a tyrant wants a fancy parade.

 

[darrylgorn]

I just love it when an invading country accuses the innocent country of provoking WW3, don't you?

It's like slapping up a kid and saying 'now don't make me punch you.'

 

[Kraz]

"Previously these transmitters were used by Evangelical broadcaster Transworld Radio, but Russia requisitioned them for war propaganda. So the attack came either from the Ukrainians or from God."

 

[chromhound]

I bet all other oligarchs are shitting their beds and getting a lot of protection against suicide.

List of Russian Oligarchs Who Died Since Ukraine Invasion

www.viralglobenews.com

Putin is working overtime

 

[Gp1]

Germany is considered the leader of EU in many ways. They have no hesitation taking this role when it comes to financially disciplining members or sanctioning members for not following "rules". Suddenly that "moral" leadership is gone and it is everyone for themselves.

I believe that Germany is considered the leadership of the EU because they historically contribute with most of the EUs budget.
This kind of money that goes for regional development projects in the smaller countries, so it puts Germany in a leadership position.

Kind like what the IMF do with underdeveloped countries that borrows money from them. Plus the entire political integration aspect of the block.

That's not a "moral" position.

Someone with a better understanding of the EU/Germany economy could develop better on this.

 

[Kraz]

I bet all other oligarchs are shitting their beds and getting a lot of protection against suicide.

List of Russian Oligarchs Who Died Since Ukraine Invasion

www.viralglobenews.com

They didn't catch the bride in time.

 

[darth.shrimp]

They didn't catch the bride in time.

I... I'm gonna need some context on that scene lol, never even heard of that movie before.

 

[TheDreadLord]

You have to seal a well if you have excess oil you can't sell or store or otherwise handle. Once you seal you need to run a new well. That's expensive.

Folks are also not understanding, in terms of oil purchase, is that there aren't many places Russia can sell to since energy demand is low due to recessionary pressure and lingering COVID effects. This is particularly pronounced in China where they are in various lock downs and their economy is ground to a halt. They aren't a market for Russia's oil - at least not enough to offset a drop in demand from Germany or the EU.

you don’t seal a well unless you no longer intend to produce it. There are valves and a number of systems to stop a well and allow to resume production when required.

Regarding the Russian oil marketing they will sell it at a discount and compensate loss of revenue by increasing scale. The ones that will lose market share are producers in Africa, ME and South America. The only countries sanctioning Russia are countries within NATO… More than half of the world population is outside NATO countries…. So, to really impact their oil industry, it is almost needed a worldwide effort. The big dogs need to push China and India more… this is also a reason why it is plain dumb from a strategic perspective for Germany to simply cut Russian gas supply (someone else that no one has control will buy it).

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Finally,

 

[Kraz]

I... I'm gonna need some context on that scene lol, never even heard of that movie before.

A rich family made a pact to acquire their wealth and didn't fulfill their part by killing the bride and that's their consequences.

 

[TheDreadLord]

The issue with these mil equipments it is that differently from ammo and rocket launchers which fit in a consumer car these are quite large equipments and very easy to spot. I guess this is why Russia started attacking infrastructure to the west and without roads/bridge/railway you don’t have a good way of moving them around.

 

[Gp1]

Finally,

 

[MastaKiiLA]

I... I'm gonna need some context on that scene lol, never even heard of that movie before.

Give it a watch. It's a fun little movie. I hadn't heard of it before either, but picked it up for like $7, and loved it.

 

[Wildebeest]

I believe that Germany is considered the leadership of the EU because they historically contribute with most of the EUs budget.
This kind of money that goes for regional development projects in the smaller countries, so it puts Germany in a leadership position.

Kind like what the IMF do with underdeveloped countries that borrows money from them. Plus the entire political integration aspect of the block.

That's not a "moral" position.

Someone with a better understanding of the EU/Germany economy could develop better on this.

It is a complex situation. The EU was founded in part to stop another war between Germany and France, and historically France and Germany have been seen as roughly equals. But economically the Euro currency project has, in part, been seen a way of avoiding the problem of the Deutsch Mark raising too high in value due to German manufacturing. The whole thing becomes a somewhat tricky mechanism for balancing German exports finding a market due to competitive pricing and other countries with less valuable exports being able to manage the debt they get from being bound to Germany, so their own industry struggles to compete, and buying their products. As the country that is seen as wearing the hairshirt by devaluing its labour, the Germans acquire a sort of aura of sacrifice and moral superiority.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Putin killing russian oligarch? Motives? Refuses to cooperate and support his war?

 

[akimbo009]

you don’t seal a well unless you no longer intend to produce it. There are valves and a number of systems to stop a well and allow to resume production when required.

Regarding the Russian oil marketing they will sell it at a discount and compensate loss of revenue by increasing scale. The ones that will lose market share are producers in Africa, ME and South America. The only countries sanctioning Russia are countries within NATO… More than half of the world population is outside NATO countries…. So, to really impact their oil industry, it is almost needed a worldwide effort. The big dogs need to push China and India more… this is also a reason why it is plain dumb from a strategic perspective for Germany to simply cut Russian gas supply (someone else that no one has control will buy it).

Except others aren't actually demanding more oil, and they aren't going to buy oil they don't need even if it's cheaper. You have to store it somewhere...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...and-is-tumbling-the-most-since-wuhan-lockdown (link is weird, let's see how this goes)

Germany should stop doing it not because others may buy it at cost (which also hurts Russia, btw) - but because reducing Russian energy for your economy is a bad thing and, incidentally, funds a war.

 

[TheDreadLord]

Except others aren't actually demanding more oil, and they aren't going to buy oil they don't need even if it's cheaper. You have to store it somewhere...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...and-is-tumbling-the-most-since-wuhan-lockdown (link is weird, let's see how this goes)

Germany should stop doing it not because others may buy it at cost (which also hurts Russia, btw) - but because reducing Russian energy for your economy is a bad thing and, incidentally, funds a war.

Of course in the short term they will stop production in a number of places, these things won’t change from day to night. But just think: if you can buy cheaper oil why wouldn’t you? Russian export to India have increased (more than 2x compared to 2021). Who knows how it is with China? When demand increases again they will just scale back production and sell the deferred production to the world outside NATO bubble. To really hurt their industry in the long term India e China need to be pushed… Or other producers need to scale production so that the cost of one barrel drops to the 60s-30sUSD and then their profit margins will be very small. This is the reason why the US is bullying many countries to increase oil production.

 

[Tams]

Russia accuses Nato of ‘proxy war’ in Ukraine as US hosts crucial defence summit

Ukraine dismisses Sergei Lavrov’s war comments as diplomats gather in Germany for US-hosted talks to navigate ‘critical’ phase

www.theguardian.com

“Nato, in essence, is engaged in a war with Russia through a proxy and is arming that proxy. War means war.”

The Russian perspective on this is weird as usual. They invade a country without reason or provocation. They get upset when democratic neighbours of that country support that country and help it by supplying arms, especially after it becomes known genocide is going on. Countries supplying arms are NATO and Non-NATO, doing so independently of NATO. Russia decides to accuse NATO of being engaged in a proxy war against Russia - i.e. Russia is "playing the victim" in a conflict it started.

Between the arms sales, Sweden and Finland applying to join NATO, UK defence minster saying a forward defence base in Ukraine is a possibly after the war and the US saying they want Russia to be weakened by the conflict as well as the sanctions, how long before Russia lashes out against NATO? I do think the UK defence minster and US comments were unnecessarily inflammatory and play into the "Russia is a victim" narrative. The next steps here are either massive cyber attacks, a nuke or chemical weapon in Ukraine or a move against Finland and Sweden to prevent them joining NATO (by creating a border dispute with both countries).

You're reading too much into Russian insanity. It's fun to laugh at, but don't go into it. It's not healthy.

And no, what the UK and US have recently said is not a problem. You don't back down from a bully, so backing down here will just lead them to take whatever they can and try to take what they think they can.

Diplomacy has a time and place, but at the end of the day if an entity is very set on their ways, it means jack shit.

Anyway, so long as we don't actually invade Russia, the chances of them attacking beyond Ukraine are so low that it's not worth entertaining.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

You're reading too much into Russian insanity. It's fun to laugh at, but don't go into it. It's not healthy.

...

“Nato, in essence, is engaged in a war with Russia through a proxy and is arming that proxy. War means war.”

This is absolutely correct.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

How RF intelligence works: "...some low-ranking analyst writes a report about what’s really happening, it goes through 10 bosses and when it comes out at the top, it says everything is going great... They don’t know how many... soldiers they have left, [or] the full extent of their... losses"​

ft.com/conten...

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

If they keep going soon every country will be in their list

Russia warns Britain for provoking Ukraine - threatens 'proportionate response'​

reuters.com/world/...

 

[GymWolf]

Putin killing russian oligarch? Motives? Refuses to cooperate and support his war?

I was curious about that aswell.

Also why don't they have all the top notch security that money can buy if you live in fucking russia under putin?

 

[Kraz]

“Nato, in essence, is engaged in a war with Russia through a proxy and is arming that proxy. War means war.”

"Special operation"

 

[Tams]

...



This is absolutely correct.

Wrong. Nato isn't as it's purely a defensive organisation.

Now, countries that are also Nato members? Well, derrrr. If Ukraine falls then they suffer too, some potentially even being invaded. That doesn't take a genius to work out and you don't need to listen to Russian insane bullshit to work that out. Hell, you wouldn't even need to consume any news about the war to come to that conclusion.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

So, who's going to create "Russia begins Invasion of Moldova" thread?

 

[akimbo009]

Of course in the short term they will stop production in a number of places, these things won’t change from day to night. But just think: if you can buy cheaper oil why wouldn’t you? Russian export to India have increased (more than 2x compared to 2021). Who knows how it is with China? When demand increases again they will just scale back production and sell the deferred production to the world outside NATO bubble. To really hurt their industry in the long term India e China need to be pushed.

Because you can't actually store that much additional fuel if you have falling demand elsewhere. I understand your point, but an effort has to be made versus setting up excuses/reasons not to.

 

[akimbo009]

And look! Germany seems to have managed it! No frozen grannies or economic doom pending!

 

[TheDreadLord]

Because you can't actually store that much additional fuel if you have falling demand elsewhere. I understand your point, but an effort has to be made versus setting up excuses/reasons not to.

I see where you are going but I am simply giving a technical perspective, no politics here. You just stop wells. The oil will be there waiting to be produced and when demand bounces back you produce it. If the idea is to use oil to choke Russia economy, then it needs to be something at worldwide level. NATO countries aren't representative of the whole world.