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Sony could be stopping/changing the PC port strategy?

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I never said “amazing”. I don’t think 100k CCUs is amazing… for the quality this game is…I think it should have done way better than what it did on PC so far.

If there was some massively hidden audience for their games on PC, it seems Square was mistaken
And why would FF7R be held to your "needs to hit 100k to be good", when all your cherished PS games (aside from H2) cant even break 80k?

Steamdb says FF7 R is at 40k peak. Better than almost all Sony games including Horizon FW by 100 CCU.

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Zathalus

Member
Why can’t they do the same for more than 5 games?
There are almost 50 games with a peak CCU over 100k that are entirely or predominantly single player. Most of them within the past few years, coinciding with the overall growth of Steam.

It’s not rocket science that a port of one year old game, that is also a sequel to a port of a one year old game that was delayed coming to Steam twice (Epic), won’t exactly sell millions at launch.
 

James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
100K for a late port is absolutely amazing. Games like GOT, Spider-Man, and HZD did fairly well and only hit 60-80K. All those games sell far more on PS than FF, so why you expected a JRPG to beat them all is puzzling to me.

I don't think anyone was expecting a massive hidden audience? This game cost a lot of money to make and SE wants additional sales. The PS sales alone ain't good enough.

PC gamers, I thought, had higher RPG audiences than traditional Sony action adventure games

And it’s looking like even the pc ain’t good enough.

Onto the switch 2 port so they can just switch the goalposts

when all your cherished PS games (aside from H2) cant even break 80k?

See above, higher RPG audience taste, quicker release to market, all factors that should have favored FF7R
 
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Astray

Member
If there was some massively hidden audience for their games on PC, it seems Square was mistaken
I wouldn't call 40k CCU outright bad (it's much better than FF16 for example, and most singleplayer games would bite your arm off for that kind of number), but I think the FF7R project just wasn't designed right (trilogy action-RPG instead of one shot JRPG remake is a terrible call imo), and it limited the game's appeal.

I don't think there's a hidden audience for this game because its audience is kinda small when you think about it.
 

Felessan

Member
there isn't a single piece of evidence pointing to sony backing away from pc support. everything points to more aggressive pc support.
There are no evidence to a "day1 PC" besides pipe dream.
Sony go for balance - milk a game on console than put it on PC for extra money when game drops below threshold. For them its optimal strategy that maximize upfront profit, hardware sales, attracting new customers to ecosystem and tail sales.

We’re talking about the same PlayStation where they had to go into manpower cuts to boost declining profit margins just a year ago?
Yes, judging from Insomniac leak there were quite a few bloated fat that bound to be optimized. And it's CFO job to do it.
Doesn't make division any less profitable.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
PC gamers, I thought, had higher RPG audiences than traditional Sony action adventure games

And it’s looking like even the pc ain’t good enough.

Onto the switch 2 port so they can just switch the goalposts
RPGs, sure, JRPGs, fuck no. JRPGs have ignored PC for the better part of the last 3 decades and only have started to make waves in the last 5 years or so. Games like Fallout, TES, BG, Path of Exile, Diablo, and even From games will do better on PC. JRPGs like FF, DQ, or Persona? These will do better on consoles where they have a much longer tradition and are much more popular in Japan where PlayStation and especially Nintendo dominate.
 
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Firestartah

Banned
If Sony is smart, they will return to exclusivity again.
With Xbox gone, it'll be much more important.
Are you dumb?? its literally the exact opposite. with xbox gone, what is the point of exclusives if Sony is the only real option for AAA core gaming on console? PC is a different culture than console, the overlap is very small, they make 10s of millions on each port and lose nothing, stop being a desperate fanboy, you're an adult and its pathetic.
 
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kaizenkko

Member
And well, 2 of the top 10 top grossing games of 2024 in Steam were Destiny 2 and Helldivers 2. If they don't spend a lot effort in PC specific marketing maybe it's because after some tests they realized that don't need it.
It's not only about marketing, but not even the specs are available, or copies have been send to review, or pre orders open. It's a really strange way to release a game. But I'm sure that live service games will be alwals release day and date on PC.
 
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Cakeboxer

Member
That would be a bad idea. PC launchers like this never do well.
I think by the time a pc launcher could be released Sony could also be releasing their games day and date on pc. Pc would greatly benefit from the immense then 2 in 1 marketing and until then they are getting more and more people used to creating a PS account like with Spider-Man 2 in a few days. That's at least what i would do if i was Sony. Yurinkas ideas are also very good.
 
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Three

Member
Spider-Man 2 is set to release on PC in only 3 days, but:

- pre orders not available.
- no marketing besides of the initial trailer (from october);
- nothing about system requirements;
- the Steam page for the game was disable in some regions (Japan).



To be clear, I think Spider-Man 2 will be coming to PC, but it's strange that Sony is not giving a fuck about it.
I'm not sure why but I believe that their marketing no longer includes much of spiderman even on their own console. It might be more to do with a concentration on IP onwership and pushing spiderman less in general.
 

TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Please Sony, stop with the marvel slop and the cinematic stuff already. Asura's Wrath, Tokyo Jungle, Metal Gear Solid 4. Where are those?

Maybe if Sony makes it full cross-buy, cross-save, cross-play with console PSN for all games available in both, also sharing friends and trophies, the result could be very different.
That would be of help only to PS players that want to jump into PC.

PC bros wouldn't care about any of that.
 
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James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
Elden Ring, Cyberpunk, Baldur's Gate, all GaaS.

Who plays Monster Hunter, post World, by themselves….? Is that a thing?

RPGs, sure, JRPGs, fuck no. JRPGs have ignored PC for the better part of the last 3 decades and only have started to make waves in the last 5 years or so. Games like Fallout, TES, BG, Path of Exile, Diablo, and even From games will do better on PC. JRPGs like FF, DQ, or Persona?

Fair enough, but if any game should have broken through it’s this one. Sales are disappointing any way you look at them
 

Killjoy-NL

Member
Are you dumb?? its literally the exact opposite. with xbox gone, what is the point of exclusives if Sony is the only real option for AAA core gaming on console? PC is a different culture than console, the overlap is very small, they make 10s of millions on each port and lose nothing, stop being a desperate fanboy, you're an adult and its pathetic.
Are you dumb?

With Xbox gone, there would be more incentive to buy a Playstation alongside a PC if Sony makes their games exclusive again. People wouldn't have to pick between two systems anymore (Xbox vs PS).
That's all Sony is after.

No wonder MS thought GP is the future with supporters like you.
 
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HogIsland

Member
There are no evidence to a "day1 PC" besides pipe dream.
Sony go for balance - milk a game on console than put it on PC for extra money when game drops below threshold. For them its optimal strategy that maximize upfront profit, hardware sales, attracting new customers to ecosystem and tail sales.

There is clear evidence: Spiderman 2 is coming to PC after only 15 months. The window keeps getting smaller. In 2023, Jim Ryan said ports would be staggered "2-3 years".

Multiple statements to Sony shareholders indicate aggressive PC support. In November 2024, Sony said PC ports are not a major risk to Playstation's console business.

Prior to that, CEO Hiroki Totoki said leveraging exclusives to sell consoles was the strategy "in the past". Now the strategy is to grow the first party with multiplatforms.

Before Days Gone came to PC in 2021 you would've said first party Playstation games would never come to PC. Now the last ditch holdout thing you can say is that day and date *single player games* won't happen. No doubt Helldivers 2's massive success on PC makes this ridiculous.

 

Firestartah

Banned
Are you dumb?

With Xbox gone, there would be more incentive to buy a Playstation alongside a PC if Sony makes their games exclusive again. People wouldn't have to pick between two systems anymore (Xbox vs PS).
That's all Sony is after.

No wonder MS thought GP is the future with supporters like you.
People who own a PC AND a Console are enthusiasts and represent a very small minority in the industry, you clown.

And I'm not an MS supporter or whatever the fuck you meant, I'm a PC gamer, aint touching consoles even if they were the last option for gaming, id rather quit the hobby.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
Maybe if Sony makes it full cross-buy, cross-save, cross-play with console PSN for all games available in both, also sharing friends and trophies, the result could be very different.

Not sure that would generate the additional sales revenue they want, but it would be awesome for people like me who game on both PS and PC. I guess they could still sell games on Steam alongside the launcher.

I think by the time a pc launcher could be released Sony could also be releasing their games day1 on pc. Pc would greatly benefit from the immense marketing and until then they are getting more and more people used to creating a PS account like with Spider-Man 2 in a few days. That's at least what i would do if i was Sony.

I still doubt day one will happen. I'd be all for it especially if they continue trophy integration like they did with Ghost of Tsushima, but Sony has made it clear that the PS ecosystem is the priority. And PC sales of PS games haven't exactly lit the world on fire.
 

yurinka

Member
That would be of help only to PS players that want to jump into PC.

PC bros wouldn't care about any of that.
As of now seems the PC ports are making PC bros move to PS more than the opposite.

This would ease the process because they wouldn't need to buy these games again.

On top of this, for PS players who want a portable as secondary device would already have their games in PC handelds, making them prefer this over other PC stores (or Switch).
 

Cakeboxer

Member
I still doubt day one will happen. I'd be all for it especially if they continue trophy integration like they did with Ghost of Tsushima, but Sony has made it clear that the PS ecosystem is the priority.
Time will tell, but i think it will happen mid-end next gen depending on how much they dominate Xbox again.
And PC sales of PS games haven't exactly lit the world on fire.
But they could with the synchronized marketing and also the pc players that only play brand new games would be onboard. I think >50% of the console sales could easily be possible.
 

grvg

Member
As just an armchair game enthusiast, I wish they'd change their strategy for PC ports to porting older games and collections that would do better in the PC marketplace.

Gravity Rush 1+2
Tokyo Jungle
Demon's Souls Remake
Bloodborne
Motorstorm collection
Ico trilogy
etc.

I don't think they'd be millions-sellers, but it would probably do a lot better than most of the stuff they've put on PC lately.
I’m sure that we will get a nice pc port of gravity rush remastered and 2, just a little while after the diy bloodborne port finishes.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Where do you get that from?

Source: "Trust me bro".

Fair enough, but if any game should have broken through it’s this one. Sales are disappointing any way you look at them

Yes, but that applies to the console version of the game too, maybe more. You still haven't told us how much it sold despite making claims that it sold 'millions' on the previous page.

The PC version at least set a franchise record for Steam, so it's doing considerably well in comparison to previous releases of the same franchise.

 

Topher

Identifies as young
Time will tell, but i think it will happen mid-end next gen depending on how much they dominate Xbox again.

But they could with the synchronized marketing and also the pc players that only play brand new games would be onboard. I think >50% of the console sales could easily be possible.

You could be right. If PC sales continue to be sluggish, they may decide to give day one a try. Who knows
 

James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
You went full Rofif, man.

Never go full Rofif.

Yes, but that applies to the console version of the game too, maybe more. You still haven't told us how much it sold despite making claims that it sold 'millions' on the previous page.

Zhuge tweeted between 2-2.5M in its first month, that’s really all we have to go by since square hasn’t announced anything.

Far better than the pc version
 

MiguelItUp

Member
Spider-Man 2 is set to release on PC in only 3 days, but:

- pre orders not available.
- no marketing besides of the initial trailer (from october);
- nothing about system requirements;
- the Steam page for the game was disable in some regions (Japan).



To be clear, I think Spider-Man 2 will be coming to PC, but it's strange that Sony is not giving a fuck about it.
Honestly they haven't really done wild marketing with any of their ports as far as I know. They don't really need to.

Those that are interested know it's coming.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Zhuge tweeted between 2-2.5M in its first month, that’s really all we have to go by since square hasn’t announced anything.
STALKER did one million in two days.
Far better than the pc version
And this is an accomplishment? A traditional PlayStation franchise coming a year before on PS5 does better than the PC version. I bet STALKER won't do anywhere near the PC numbers when it comes to PlayStation. We all know why, right?
 

Felessan

Member
There is clear evidence: Spiderman 2 is coming to PC after only 15 months. The window keeps getting smaller. In 2023, Jim Ryan said ports would be staggered "2-3 years".
Multiple statements to Sony shareholders indicate aggressive PC support. In November 2024, Sony said PC ports are not a major risk to Playstation's console business.
Prior to that, CEO Hiroki Totoki said leveraging exclusives to sell consoles was the strategy "in the past". Now the strategy is to grow the first party with multiplatforms.
~12 month is what Sony considered "normal" exclusivity window. They just normalize 1st party with 3rd party.
We don't really see shrinking of baseline exclusivity window - FF16/FF7:R2/SB or any other 2nd-/3rd-party recent exclusives doesn't had a "shorten" window - still around 1yr. And the 1st sign that Sony go to "day1 PC" should be abandonment of 3rd party deals, which we don't see, game still bought to be exclusive, and some, that Sony seems to deem to be a platform-seller (and those cheap and/or in territories where it matters) - they keep it even away from PC.
They just looking at sales - at what point they make more money going to PC than keeping game exclusively. And it's never a day1.

Before Days Gone came to PC in 2021 you would've said first party Playstation games would never come to PC. Now the last ditch holdout thing you can say is that day and date *single player games* won't happen. No doubt Helldivers 2's massive success on PC makes this ridiculous.
GaaS always bound to be day1, there were never doubt in it.
 

James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
STALKER did one million in two days.

And this is an accomplishment? A traditional PlayStation franchise coming a year before on PS5 does better than the PC version. I bet STALKER won't do anywhere near the PC numbers when it comes to PlayStation. We all know why, right?

Stalker is also on Xbox

We have no idea if stalker will sell whatever it did on pc, that’s just speculating
 
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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Zhuge tweeted between 2-2.5M in its first month, that’s really all we have to go by since square hasn’t announced anything.

Far better than the pc version

The only thing Zhuge said near launch was that it's selling 'about half' of what Remake sold and will have a weaker tail.



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Not to mention you trying to do a 1 : 1 comparison between releases a year apart is kinda dumb in the first place.

A better reference point is that Rebirth sold half or less of the last console release, whereas on Steam it's out-pacing previous SP releases.

Unless they both launched at the same date, your comparison is so disingenuous.
 
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James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
The only thing Zhuge said near launch was that it's selling 'about half' of what Remake sold and will have a weaker tail.



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Not to mention you trying to do a 1 : 1 comparison between releases a year apart is kinda dumb in the first place.

A better reference point is that Rebirth sold half or less of the last console release, whereas on Steam it's out-pacing previous SP releases.

Unless they both launched at the same date, your comparison is so disingenuous.


Your reply is disingenuous since ps5 has nowhere as many units sold in the market as ps4 did when remake came out.

We can do mental gymnastics all day, what’s your point? It’s a huge failure on ps5 and a massive success on pc, despite selling a fraction on the pc?

Lemme guess. Needs an Xbox port to save it
 
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