Holammer
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Phil Spencer says he's open to bringing stores like Epic and Itch.io to Xbox consoles
Could PC digital storefronts end up on Xbox? Apparently anything is possible.
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BlackTron
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Can you show me how we know this?
xanaum
Member
We can’t really tell how much money these PC ports are making for Sony, but aside from Helldivers 2, which was a massive megaton last year, it seems like Sony’s regular games outside PlayStation only bring in crumbs.
The question is whether it’s worth it for Sony to take those tiny scraps at the cost of hurting the hype for their own console. For now, the console is still holding its sales, but in the future, the shift to PC could get more intense as the PS loses its unique edge.
PC is still such a low priority that even GTA6, the most hyped game in human history, isn’t launching on the platform. It might come someday, sure, but Rockstar doesn’t care right now.
The question is whether it’s worth it for Sony to take those tiny scraps at the cost of hurting the hype for their own console. For now, the console is still holding its sales, but in the future, the shift to PC could get more intense as the PS loses its unique edge.
PC is still such a low priority that even GTA6, the most hyped game in human history, isn’t launching on the platform. It might come someday, sure, but Rockstar doesn’t care right now.
Zacfoldor
Member
I'm 100% sure PC gamers are not giving fuck about any of these Sony games outside of Helldivers 2 and Destiny 2 so why are they still porting them?
Unlike Xbox, Sony can actually afford to go back on this. Hopefully they will. Keep Playstation games on Playstation.
Nobody gives a fuck about your games Sony but we do need defense against the PC fanboys when they ask us why we didn't "upgrade" to a PC. We once were able to say the exclusives. You have fucked that up, so unfuck it before PS6 please.
Look at all the work you've done to port stuff to PC and have made no money outside of the gaas and also probably lost money and definitely got the PC boys trying to rock you to death in the zeitgeist. WTF are you thinking, did you hire Phil in secret to guide you thru this moral maze? Think with your mind whoever is in charge, use your mind and think Sony, and then do what I said.
Sony is about that short cheese and ain't nobody after that short cheese long for the game. They need a change.
Unlike Xbox, Sony can actually afford to go back on this. Hopefully they will. Keep Playstation games on Playstation.
Nobody gives a fuck about your games Sony but we do need defense against the PC fanboys when they ask us why we didn't "upgrade" to a PC. We once were able to say the exclusives. You have fucked that up, so unfuck it before PS6 please.
Look at all the work you've done to port stuff to PC and have made no money outside of the gaas and also probably lost money and definitely got the PC boys trying to rock you to death in the zeitgeist. WTF are you thinking, did you hire Phil in secret to guide you thru this moral maze? Think with your mind whoever is in charge, use your mind and think Sony, and then do what I said.
Sony is about that short cheese and ain't nobody after that short cheese long for the game. They need a change.
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Just like Nintendo, for me Sony must stay with there principle of not porting there exclusives to other platforms whether it had a good sale or not on PS. Exclusives has always been there strength and signature of Sony PS, and that is what attracted more fans to Sony PS.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
So your sole reason is console warring?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Wrong. Sony’s goal is to expand their audience and make money beyond the stagnant console base.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If that were the case, they would have already done so.
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HogIsland
Member
Meanwhile, actual Sony:
I'm sure Sony will stop porting games when they start making good exclusives again.
It's no coincidence that the two best PS5 games are still the only exclusive games (Demon's Souls and GT7).
Sony is probably porting the games they mismanaged to highly inflated budgets and they have to make their money back on those projects. Once they quit making dumb business decisions and bleed money (like with their GaaS initiative) they will probably stop porting games.
Hell, we didn't start seeing Naughty Dog games on PC until they fumbled the ball with Factions and flushed a bunch of money down the drain, better get those Uncharteds and TloUs onto PC so we don't wreck our balance sheets .
TL;DR, Sony will stop porting games when they stop bleeding money due to mismanagement.
It's no coincidence that the two best PS5 games are still the only exclusive games (Demon's Souls and GT7).
Sony is probably porting the games they mismanaged to highly inflated budgets and they have to make their money back on those projects. Once they quit making dumb business decisions and bleed money (like with their GaaS initiative) they will probably stop porting games.
Hell, we didn't start seeing Naughty Dog games on PC until they fumbled the ball with Factions and flushed a bunch of money down the drain, better get those Uncharteds and TloUs onto PC so we don't wreck our balance sheets .
TL;DR, Sony will stop porting games when they stop bleeding money due to mismanagement.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Probably not, but it would be the smart decision to. Or at least scale back the approach to only most GAAS and some very select non-GAAS ports spaced out years between console and Steam.
The strategy they have right now would make more sense if it were with their ow PC storefront, or maybe eve something like EGS, but that's not the case. EGS would be much less competitive with PlayStation hardware than Steam is, and a PS launcher at worst would've just caused some lateral transfer of people still otherwise wholly in the ecosystem from top to bottom (aside the hardware change from PS console to a PC).
The strategy they have right now would make more sense if it were with their ow PC storefront, or maybe eve something like EGS, but that's not the case. EGS would be much less competitive with PlayStation hardware than Steam is, and a PS launcher at worst would've just caused some lateral transfer of people still otherwise wholly in the ecosystem from top to bottom (aside the hardware change from PS console to a PC).
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I’m glad at least one of you is honest. This is what all the crying is about. Pure fanboyism.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
they need more data
hououinkyouma00
Member
What?
Spiderman for example has sold like 22M as of 2023, and the only number I could find for pc sales was 1.5M earlier in 2023 so lets say that it doubled that that's 3M versus 19M so there's no fucking chance that it made anywhere near as much outside of PS then in PS especially when they lose 30% cut on every single sale on Steam.
Horizon sold like 24M on PS4 and less then 4M on PC.
God of War was at 23M by 11/22 on PlayStation and like 2.5M on PC.
Days Gone sold like 7M on PS and less then 2M on PC.
Helldivers alone is not going to magically even out the profit lol.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Ehhh.....I wouldn't mind it if they did. But I know they aren't. Like I said, they don't "NEED" to be full exclusive.
All true, but it also doesn't mean Sony NEEDS to put all their 1st party games on PC within the first year either. It also means some of their games should never reach PC (i.e. Gran Turismo). Nintendo shows that you don't have to sell everything on PC.
xanaum
Member
Well, that was the business mindset back in 2023, things change. But yeah, you’ve got a good point there.Meanwhile, actual Sony:
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This guy gets it!
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Meanwhile, actual Sony:
They also planned for half their 2025 games to be GaaS.
It’s possible if Marathon and Horizon MMO launch
bender
What time is it?
But who made Banana successful?
viveks86
Member
It's not strange now. Their PC strategy has been bizarre all along. Sending great IPs to die with poor marketing or porting games that aren't that exciting for the PC market in the first place. GT7 and Bloodborne would do gangbusters, for example. Instead we get <insert safe insomniac title>. It's a rock and hard place for them. They are playing it safe because they want sufficient differentiation for the console. The thing about tough decisions is, you either go all in or don't do it at all. This weak sauce, pussy footing is a waste of time and money.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
Well yeah, because people aren't being drawn in through typical means, they have to actively go out and reel them in.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Guys, they ain't stopping, so why have you been hoping for years that they will? Have you seen the budget of those AAA games? $200M+ and HFW only managed 8.4M in its first year. I'm not even sure its made enough to recoup the development + marketing cost. Either you hope that Sony tries to make smaller budget games so they won't need to sell 15M+ copies or you start buying them in droves so they can reach 25M+ on PlayStation alone so ports won't be necessary like Nintendo. There's no reality in which you get your $200M AAA games that sell 8M in 1 year but don't get ported to PC.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Degenerates.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
This has to be parody.
A PC port of GTA6 is a matter of ‘when’, not ‘if’. Take 2 isn’t allergic to money. They’re taking their time because the game is a guaranteed sale on PC even with later port.
Most other games don’t have that luxury.
bender
What time is it?
OverHeat
« generous god »
Meh…it’sYou going to take that lying down,OverHeat ?
adamsapple
I don’t hit a disabled person 
jokingFor me, as a PlayStation owner, I don't want PS exclusives to appear to other platform. Having exclusives is a privilege and you are sure of good quality because the development of the game was focus on the capability of a specific hardware. Same thing if you are a Xbox or Nintendo owner, you will want the games exclusives to there own platforms to stay exclusive. Exclusives is what differentiate all consoles and it is its selling point.
As for PC port, yes I admit PC are the master race especially with those with powerful $3000 - 4000k PC rig, with better specs, but it does not oblige PS or other consoles company, to always port there games to pc just to say, expand there audience.
As for PC port, yes I admit PC are the master race especially with those with powerful $3000 - 4000k PC rig, with better specs, but it does not oblige PS or other consoles company, to always port there games to pc just to say, expand there audience.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
No such thing anymore since nowadays (and since the PS4) consoles are more like a PC than ever before.
HogIsland
Member
you're right, we should ignore what they say because it could turn out to be wrong. most likely they will go physical-only moving forward, move PS HQ back to Japan, and put Ken Kuturagi in charge of first party.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Sony screwed the pooch with HFW by putting it on PS+ too fast. We know this to be a fact now. And I'm okay with them going to PC at some point. But doing it in 6-12 months will be the DEATH of Playstation as we know it.
So just one game? Most likely Fairgame$?
Seems like all they'll have this year is Ghost of Yotei and Fairgames.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It’s about 1 year. I think they’ve been testing a few things to see the impact. HFW was put on PS+ for free and it might have hurt the sales and if it did, now they know.
Spider-Man 2 is still selling well on PS5, so I think they also want to gauge the impact a PC port will have on a game that still routinely makes the top 10-15 of most sold PS5 games.
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yurinka
Member
Sony first party games FY23
- PS: $905.89M *
- Outside PS (also including addons revenue): $667.35M
- PS: $248,38M *
- Outside PS (also including addons revenue): $330.12M
* = Extrapolated by applying to dollar sales the same percent (1st/total) than in unit sales
Note: 'outside PS' isn't PC only, it includes rival consoles and add-ons too, it isn't a 1:1 comparision.
Note 2: the yen -> $ currency exchange may have changed since it was converted from here:
Data from previous FY to see the growth (back then 'other software', non-PS 1st party game revenue, still didn't have their own category and was included under 'Others'):
Regarding PC only (not including rival consoles, the estimate for FY23 was $450M and the revenue growth is insane:
It's also worth mentioning that Sony already is one of the top 10 companies (when merging the publisher labels of each company) in Steam history regarding user reviews, and that both Destiny 2 and Helldivers 2 were top 10 grossing games of 2024 in Steam.
And well, remember that according to the leaked Insomniac docs, each port did only cost them around a couple millions or so. Meaning, PC isn't only generating them a lot of revenue: it also generates them a lot of profit.
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Self_Destructive
Member
These ports are costing $2-4 million.... they're not stopping ffs... get a grip fanboys 
Brigandier
Member
I don't understand the serious fanboy tribalism that we see on here and social media when it comes to Sony 1st party and major exclusive games coming to PC....
I've been a PS fan since 1995 and buy all PlayStation stuff but I'm all for games being day 1 on PC.... dev costs are high, Reaching as many people possible is necessary these days
I've been a PS fan since 1995 and buy all PlayStation stuff but I'm all for games being day 1 on PC.... dev costs are high, Reaching as many people possible is necessary these days
The main point of first party games should be sell consoles to make the platform profitable from third party royalties. They think this strategy will not affect PS sales and PSN sales. You probably think so too. I'm betting in 6 years from now PS6 will project less sales than PS3 did.I don't understand the serious fanboy tribalism that we see on here and social media when it comes to Sony 1st party and major exclusive games coming to PC....
I've been a PS fan since 1995 and buy all PlayStation stuff but I'm all for games being day 1 on PC.... dev costs are high, Reaching as many people possible is necessary these days
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[Sigma]
Member
Because it's basically free money. The cost to port isn't anywhere near the original cost to develop on PS5.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Most sensible thing Sony has done in a while.
Kokoloko85
Member
Lets hope so.
PC is meant to bring in extra cash for PS, no point spending marketing.
Plus, the whole point of PC ports supposedly from Jim and Hermen was, that putting games like Spiderman 1 and Horizon 1 on PC, was meant to bring PC gamers to PS5 for the sequels…. What a load of horse shit that was
PC is meant to bring in extra cash for PS, no point spending marketing.
Plus, the whole point of PC ports supposedly from Jim and Hermen was, that putting games like Spiderman 1 and Horizon 1 on PC, was meant to bring PC gamers to PS5 for the sequels…. What a load of horse shit that was
Assuming ms is working for free and running a charity, if they asked for the %30 share Trump will make it happen.
yurinka
Member
In this previous post you can see that their hardware, software, game sub and accesories revenue kept growing every year in FY21->FY22->FY23->FY24, with hardware having a small decline in FY24 because the console passed its yearly units sales peak of the generation (passed this point hardware sales keep decreasing, while software continues selling longer).
I think PC+mobile+movie/tv show/other adaptations will help them to continue growing their console audience during PS6, specially in territories that previously weren't important for consoles like non-Japan Asia, MENA or Latin America.
Main reason being that Sony will have a bigger presence in PC and mobile, markets more popular there, plus extra popularity from movies and tv shows, and on top of that Xbox would have lost basically all their market share, while Nintendo will have starting to get some pressure from handheld PCs.
The opposite. In the home consoles market they defeated Nintendo last gen and MS this gen. After having conquered home consoles, now they are going for PC, where with a few games they already are one of the top 10 publishers of Steam history.
Releasing several games more on PC, and in the future their own PC PSN store, they will be the first serious contender for Steam. Pretty likely they'll use this store to join the PC handhelds market (even if with their own closed OS) that they'll also use to fight again Nintendo in the portables market.
Pretty likely once the cloud gaming tech improved more in mobile and once regulators allow them to have their own store in Android and iOS, they'll also slowly start expanding in mobile.
This expansion is needed by Sony not only to continue growing in all fronts, but particularly to fund their first party AAA games, that each generation keep getting more expensive and take longer to make, which means they need to sell them in more platforms to keep them profitable, and at the same time need to increase the amount of games under development to keep a similar output pace.
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Wulfer
Member
Won't matter what they do, because according to you Playstation will just be drown in Xbox releases. That's the other thing Sony will have a hard time marketing their IP's because now they have more competition than they bargained for. I wonder If MS is really against this move to Playstation at all? MS originally, only wanted it's operating system on Playstation before Xbox. They were refused by Sony. This wasn't possible so, now they went after the games instead. I'm not sure you're better off just fighting Xbox really. Originally MS never wanted a hardware but, had to have one to enter the console space!
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Self_Destructive
Member
Precisely.
You know what sells consoles? Both console and PC gamers hyping up and playing the game at the same time. Seeing "WOW, _____ just hit 250K concurrent" "Oh now it's at 400K concurrent"... and all the media outlets are reporting how amazingly the game is doing... That immediately causes people who perhaps had no intention of playing the game, to ask "Why this is so popular?", and to play the same game their friends are playing. They'll look at the cheapest way to get into the game.. and that will be a Playstation console.
This idea that there will be some big exodus is just complete BS. The only way the console loses value is in the eyes of the fanboy who made it their identity and feel like they're losing themselves every time a game is multiplat. It's a very miniscule portion. Irrelevant really.
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They are not selling more software, they are selling less software than PS4 from third party and first party. They are compensating by service games like Fortnite, FIFA, Roblox, Gachas, etc
PS5 sales projections are lower than PS4 too.
The effect of their strategy we will see in PS6 gen, non this.
Aguero9320
Member
Day one multi platform releases is in everyone’s future. Get used to it.
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