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The BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger Official Thread [360/PS3] - Be Ready for the Rebel

Papercuts

fired zero bullets in the orphanage.
Dreavus said:
This happened to me too.. I have Ragna as my Sub for some reason and I've literally chosen him once, and accidentally picked him a second time, and now he's my sub :lol

I've played a lot more taokaka then anyone else (besides Jin), and yet Ragna is still my sub.


I started with Jin(for...5 matches, lol) and then played Noel for ~30. Jin stayed as my sub until Tager became my new main and Noel was pushed down, so I'm guessing it'll say Ragna is your sub until Taokaka overcomes your Jin. I thought it was just a glitch for me but it seems that's how it works.
 

Dreavus

Member
Papercuts said:
I started with Jin(for...5 matches, lol) and then played Noel for ~30. Jin stayed as my sub until Tager became my new main and Noel was pushed down, so I'm guessing it'll say Ragna is your sub until Taokaka overcomes your Jin. I thought it was just a glitch for me but it seems that's how it works.

Ah, I see. A little bit misleading. I guess sub just means "your old main" rather than "your second most played character".

I'll probably be stuck with Ragna there for a looong time. :lol
 
Dreavus said:
Ah, I see. A little bit misleading. I guess sub just means "your old main" rather than "your second most played character".

I'll probably be stuck with Ragna there for a looong time. :lol

In my case, that wouldn't make sense. Because I first started with Hakumen in the main spot and then Jin as my sub. After picking ragna a couple of times, he became my sub. He couldn't be my "old main" because he was never in the main spot. I'm guessing it's just a glitch with ragna.
 

Dreavus

Member
akachan ningen said:
In my case, that wouldn't make sense. Because I first started with Hakumen in the main spot and then Jin as my sub. After picking ragna a couple of times, he became my sub. He couldn't be my "old main" because he was never in the main spot. I'm guessing it's just a glitch with ragna.

Either that, or maybe player matches don't count towards the main/sub character card? I was just thinking that a lot of my Tao play was just in player matches. For ranked I try not to mess around and usually play with my best character. I'll try a bunch of ranked Tao matches tomorrow and see if anything changes.
 

GriffD17

Member
Grifter said:
- Need to tech more. I saw the combo meter going gray a lot, which means it's not a true combo and you could've teched and some point. If you dunno when, try piano'ing at the keys or mashing or something. Just stop the mash when you do your flip.
- Learn those strings. You'd set up and hit me like 3 times and I'm free. This is a game where you MUST punish when you get your chance and for long string characters like Bang, you need to master those B&Bs in training mode.

Yeah I was trying to tech that. Put I seem to have to tech at a moment that I have no clue about. Even when it's grayed, I mash those buttons and can't get out no matter what it seems.

And from the combo threads I've seen Bang doesn't really have long strings per se, like Noel does anyway. He has some combos that do nasty damage but I can't seem to get in. Once I get in I get punished for a 30 string combo from your Noel, Ragnas and Jins. Blargh.
 

Einbroch

Banned
I cannot beat Unlimited Ragna in Score Attack Mode for the life of me.

I was so pissed off last night I knocked over my 360 while the game was spinning.

Yeah....
 

Einbroch

Banned
I think I realize now why I never play fighting games or PVP in MMORPGs. I should've learned my lesson from World of Warcraft and MvC2.

It's the imbalance. I know that any character can beat any other character, I'm not dumb. And I know I'm not the best, and that I choose to play as Bang. Why should I be punished for choosing a character I like? II spent at least 10 hours in training against dummies and level 70+ computers, and practiced my combos...

But when a Noel D-spammer can beat me simply by randomly rolling around on the stick and jamming the D button, I lose my mind. When a Jin only uses icecarz, and when they realize I'm just going to block it switch to running away and spamming attacks until I have no barrier, I lose my mind.

Twenty-seven games today. I saw six Ragnas, one Litchi, one Nu, and the rest were all Jin and Noel. FRUSTRATION.

This isn't a complaint against BlazBlue, it's a complaint against all fighting games/Player vs Player games with classes as complex as fighting games or MMORPGs. If you're not the right person or right class, the game is much less enjoyable, and people who are well below you in skill can demolish you.

Again, BlazBlue is fantastic in many, many ways. I just needed to vent. I'm also done with fighting games, they're just not my cup of tea. Oh who am I kidding, I'll be a sucker and get another one down the line.:lol
 

Papercuts

fired zero bullets in the orphanage.
Einbroch said:
I think I realize now why I never play fighting games or PVP in MMORPGs. I should've learned my lesson from World of Warcraft and MvC2.

It's the imbalance. I know that any character can beat any other character, I'm not dumb. And I know I'm not the best, and that I choose to play as Bang. Why should I be punished for choosing a character I like? II spent at least 10 hours in training against dummies and level 70+ computers, and practiced my combos...

But when a Noel D-spammer can beat me simply by randomly rolling around on the stick and jamming the D button, I lose my mind. When a Jin only uses icecarz, and when they realize I'm just going to block it switch to running away and spamming attacks until I have no barrier, I lose my mind.

Fourty-seven games today. I saw six Ragnas, one Litchi, one Nu, and the rest were all Jin and Noel. FRUSTRATION.

This isn't a complaint against BlazBlue, it's a complaint against all fighting games/Player vs Player games with classes as complex as fighting games or MMORPGs. If you're not the right person or right class, the game is much less enjoyable, and people who are well below you in skill can demolish you.

Again, BlazBlue is fantastic in many, many ways. I just needed to vent. I'm taking Sociology classes, I don't need any conflict theories in my videogames :lol

Believe me, I know what it can feel like being "punished" for liking a character since I'm playing Tager, the bottom of the barrel...but I just find him a lot of fun to play even if most battles are an uphill battle. I'd just stick with it and try to practice in player matches since it helps out more than fighting the AI in practice could ever do.

I started off horribly(~20% win rate) and slowly rose around 45% for awhile. Then I stuck to player matches for awhile, played again good Noels, Jins, etc. and then I started to catch on to their combos, learn when to block or counter, stuff like that. Now I'm at around 55% win rate which is a pretty huge improvement for me. Jin spammers are still more frequent than I'd like around level 40, and it's even more annoying since they all take advantage of Tager being slow as all hell so they run away and spam ice swords and ice car to actually get away from me, but in the long run they aren't getting anything out of spamming moves constantly. Noel's D stuff can be a lot harder to predict, but it is still blockabable and punishable after you learn the mixups. Spammers tend to do the same stuff with it constantly, even if they see it doesn't work.

I definitely have more respect when a Bang player completely destroys me than I do for people like that. I'll still get people who see my card and counter with Nu and try to sword spam to victory, but winning in matchups like that just feel great for me and usually instill me with a lot more confidence to keep at it. I also rarely play fighting games but something about BB just really pulled me in and I would like to stick with it.
 

Ferrio

Banned
Einbroch said:
When a Jin only uses icecarz, and when they realize I'm just going to block it switch to running away and spamming attacks until I have no barrier, I lose my mind.

Uh block it and hit them back?
 

Tokubetsu

Member
Einbroch said:
I think I realize now why I never play fighting games or PVP in MMORPGs. I should've learned my lesson from World of Warcraft and MvC2.

It's the imbalance. I know that any character can beat any other character, I'm not dumb. And I know I'm not the best, and that I choose to play as Bang. Why should I be punished for choosing a character I like? II spent at least 10 hours in training against dummies and level 70+ computers, and practiced my combos...

But when a Noel D-spammer can beat me simply by randomly rolling around on the stick and jamming the D button, I lose my mind. When a Jin only uses icecarz, and when they realize I'm just going to block it switch to running away and spamming attacks until I have no barrier, I lose my mind.

Twenty-seven games today. I saw six Ragnas, one Litchi, one Nu, and the rest were all Jin and Noel. FRUSTRATION.

This isn't a complaint against BlazBlue, it's a complaint against all fighting games/Player vs Player games with classes as complex as fighting games or MMORPGs. If you're not the right person or right class, the game is much less enjoyable, and people who are well below you in skill can demolish you.

Again, BlazBlue is fantastic in many, many ways. I just needed to vent. I'm also done with fighting games, they're just not my cup of tea. Oh who am I kidding, I'll be a sucker and get another one down the line.:lol

To be fair, no matter the match up, most fights against Noel are going to be rough. She can easily body most of the cast. When you do win, it's that much sweeter.

Thinking about it, she'd be much easier to deal with if this was more like SFIV, where you could rely on block more and not worry about bursting/breaking guard.
 

Einbroch

Banned
Papercuts, you're making me want to boot up the game again and keep practicing. But this little part in the back of my head is telling me that doing so would mean having to buy another controller.:lol
 

Einbroch

Banned
Ferrio said:
Uh block it and hit them back?
Bang is fairly slow (although definitely not the slowest, not by a longshot), and his range is laughable. If you block the icecarz, the shield naturally pushes them away, meaning all Bang's normal attacks down reach (outside of a few down-attacks). I try to pull off that fire-palm-strike-attack, as it is quick and the range is good, but my 360 controller just doesn't want to agree with me half the time. It has a mind of it's own, I swear!

Mostly I just jump away and plan another attack.
 

Tokubetsu

Member
Einbroch said:
Bang is fairly slow (although definitely not the slowest, not by a longshot), and his range is laughable. If you block the icecarz, the shield naturally pushes them away, meaning all Bang's normal attacks down reach (outside of a few down-attacks). I try to pull off that fire-palm-strike-attack, as it is quick and the range is good, but my 360 controller just doesn't want to agree with me half the time. It has a mind of it's own, I swear!

Mostly I just jump away and plan another attack.

Add me to your friends list, Tokubetsu. I want to get you into a game with Grifter :D
 
"Bang is fairly slow (although definitely not the slowest, not by a longshot), and his range is laughable. If you block the icecarz, the shield naturally pushes them away, meaning all Bang's normal attacks down reach (outside of a few down-attacks). I try to pull off that fire-palm-strike-attack, as it is quick and the range is good, but my 360 controller just doesn't want to agree with me half the time. It has a mind of it's own, I swear!"


Uh...don't use barrier block against ice car? Also, instant block the second hit.
 

FoxSpirit

Junior Member
Einbroch said:
Bang is fairly slow (although definitely not the slowest, not by a longshot), and his range is laughable. If you block the icecarz, the shield naturally pushes them away, meaning all Bang's normal attacks down reach (outside of a few down-attacks). I try to pull off that fire-palm-strike-attack, as it is quick and the range is good, but my 360 controller just doesn't want to agree with me half the time. It has a mind of it's own, I swear!

Mostly I just jump away and plan another attack.

Wait, you shield block the icecar? There's your problem.

My suggestion: go into practice mode and have the dummy spam ice cars. Block and try counter hitting. I'd be incredibly surprised if your standing B doesn't connect cleany, even without instant blocking the second hit.

edit: Damn you, Ferrio >.<
 

Einbroch

Banned
For eff's sake.

I had no idea that a shield block held them back farther. I thought it was just the graphic that floated out in front of you.

TOO COMPLICATED!
 

sk3tch

Member
TheExodu5 said:
If you have a pad on both it shouldn't really matter. The advantage I gave to the PS3 when deciding was that my friends could at least use the dualshock or Saturn USB pads and not be frustrated with the 360 pad if we were playing local multi (though apparently the 360 pad isn't as bad for BB as it is for SF IV).

Both versions are pretty much identical as it would seem.

Heretic Kazuma said:
If you have sticks for both, go with the system that has more friends playing. The technical differences between the two versions boils down to the HD installation for 360 and PSP Remote Play for PS3.

Thanks gents. Ended up going with the PS3 because I found the LE was available (xaosslug) in the buy/sell/trade thread. To go along with my current repertoire of 6 shooters I picked up a couple Saturn USB pads on eBay today. Excited to try out a variation on SF...esp. since I have been reading good things about the tutorial vids with the LE!
 

Semblance

shhh Graham I'm still compiling this Radiant map
Prototype-03 said:
btw, where did all the Rachels go from a week ago or so go?

I can only really play at night, which makes it harder to play with people, and sometimes when I get on I'm already so exhausted I just wanna blank out and play some Battlefield instead or something. But I still very much so want to play you as I really want to improve my Rachel. I'll send you a message over PSN next time I'm on and see you playing.
 

kitzkozan

Member
Einbroch said:
I think I realize now why I never play fighting games or PVP in MMORPGs. I should've learned my lesson from World of Warcraft and MvC2.

It's the imbalance. I know that any character can beat any other character, I'm not dumb. And I know I'm not the best, and that I choose to play as Bang. Why should I be punished for choosing a character I like? II spent at least 10 hours in training against dummies and level 70+ computers, and practiced my combos...

But when a Noel D-spammer can beat me simply by randomly rolling around on the stick and jamming the D button, I lose my mind. When a Jin only uses icecarz, and when they realize I'm just going to block it switch to running away and spamming attacks until I have no barrier, I lose my mind.

Twenty-seven games today. I saw six Ragnas, one Litchi, one Nu, and the rest were all Jin and Noel. FRUSTRATION.

This isn't a complaint against BlazBlue, it's a complaint against all fighting games/Player vs Player games with classes as complex as fighting games or MMORPGs. If you're not the right person or right class, the game is much less enjoyable, and people who are well below you in skill can demolish you.

Again, BlazBlue is fantastic in many, many ways. I just needed to vent. I'm also done with fighting games, they're just not my cup of tea. Oh who am I kidding, I'll be a sucker and get another one down the line.:lol

Competition just isn't for everyone and fighting game are all about comp.

Even if a game was perfectly balanced,there's a point where you know who will beat you because they are always better and you will beat those below your skill level.

It's just like tennis where it's probably not all that much fun to be ranked 150 in the world or being mediocre boxer or mma fighter(at least it's more lucrative :p).That's why it's ideal to join a scene so you can be part of something instead of simply playing at home and being destined to be average/mediocre.
 
Einbroch said:
Bang is fairly slow (although definitely not the slowest, not by a longshot), and his range is laughable. If you block the icecarz, the shield naturally pushes them away, meaning all Bang's normal attacks down reach (outside of a few down-attacks). I try to pull off that fire-palm-strike-attack, as it is quick and the range is good, but my 360 controller just doesn't want to agree with me half the time. It has a mind of it's own, I swear!

Mostly I just jump away and plan another attack.

QisTopTier has an awesome Bang but he's on PSN. He rips my Rachel apart.

From the way that he plays, I could tell you that he's a rush down character. He keeps me down by relentlessly attacking, rushing, mixing up until I make a mistake and takes about 30-40% of my life away. If I'm able to break away and get some distance, he plays patiently until he can get in close again. In a sense, you need to be able to predict the opponent's attacks to be good with Bang.

He does have a lot of tools to close in -- he has that Nail to jump faster, counter and that teleport thing. Actually, even his rush DD acts like a semi counter.

Q also counters the barrier burst, so he doesn't fly away... It's pretty disheartening actually.
 

jibblypop

Banned
This game is so addictive. I just can't stop playing it.

I have a really dumb question though. Seriously it's dumb.

I have been using Hakumen and I tried doing his big distortion move (the 8 bars one) and I can't tell what it's doing. The screen lights up like he is about to do something but after that nothing seems to happen. Am I supposed to do something after triggering the move?
 

Ferrio

Banned
jibblypop said:
This game is so addictive. I just can't stop playing it.

I have a really dumb question though. Seriously it's dumb.

I have been using Hakumen and I tried doing his big distortion move (the 8 bars one) and I can't tell what it's doing. The screen lights up like he is about to do something but after that nothing seems to happen. Am I supposed to do something after triggering the move?

It's a counter, so someone has to hit you during it.
 
jibblypop said:
This game is so addictive. I just can't stop playing it.

I have a really dumb question though. Seriously it's dumb.

I have been using Hakumen and I tried doing his big distortion move (the 8 bars one) and I can't tell what it's doing. The screen lights up like he is about to do something but after that nothing seems to happen. Am I supposed to do something after triggering the move?

I don't really use him, but that might be the one where you can use unlimited DDs for a while... I remember one Hakumen did it. He went blurry for a while, and did like 5 DDs in a row. Caught me off guard and killed me.

edit: nm -- I think Ferrio's right
double edit: Maybe I WAS right
 

jibblypop

Banned
I think it would make sense if it's unlimited distortion because I think I remember the bar counting back down to zero..
thanks guys!
 

Giolon

Member
jibblypop said:
This game is so addictive. I just can't stop playing it.

I have a really dumb question though. Seriously it's dumb.

I have been using Hakumen and I tried doing his big distortion move (the 8 bars one) and I can't tell what it's doing. The screen lights up like he is about to do something but after that nothing seems to happen. Am I supposed to do something after triggering the move?

It allows you to do any moves you want without being limited by the amount of Megatamas you have. However, when you initiate it, your Megatamas start counting down about 1 per second, so you better get your hits in fast. :)
 

ultim8p00

Banned
People need to stop hating on Noel. She has terrible range and no way to close in on the opponent like Ragna or fucking ice man. She relies solely on rush tactics and mind games to win. If you spam her Drive you will get destroyed, at least against good players. If you are consistently falling for someone who mashes D, then you are not playing right. Noel's drive is so slow and easy to counter, and it is incredibly unsafe if it misses since she has to reload her guns after her drive. I should know 'cause I main her.
 
ultim8p00 said:
People need to stop hating on Noel. She has terrible range and no way to close in on the opponent like Ragna or fucking ice man. She relies solely on rush tactics and mind games to win. If you spam her Drive you will get destroyed, at least against good players. If you are consistently falling for someone who mashes D, then you are not playing right. Noel's drive is so slow and easy to counter, and it is incredibly unsafe if it misses since she has to reload her guns after her drive. I should know 'cause I main her.

I don't have a problem with Noel or any character in particular, but it gets really boring if you play Noel after Noel, Jin after Jin. Seeing a really good Noel and a really good Jin is a beauty, but if you see Drive spamming Noels and Ice Car riding Jins all night long, it IS annoying.
 

Ferrio

Banned
ultim8p00 said:
People need to stop hating on Noel. She has terrible range and no way to close in on the opponent like Ragna or fucking ice man. She relies solely on rush tactics and mind games to win. If you spam her Drive you will get destroyed, at least against good players. If you are consistently falling for someone who mashes D, then you are not playing right. Noel's drive is so slow and easy to counter, and it is incredibly unsafe if it misses since she has to reload her guns after her drive. I should know 'cause I main her.

I don't hate her, but you got to admit she has access to some really easy damage. But I'm bitter cause I play Litchi.
 

Xevren

Member
Prototype-03 said:
I don't have a problem with Noel or any character in particular, but it gets really boring if you play Noel after Noel, Jin after Jin. Seeing a really good Noel and a really good Jin is a beauty, but if you see Drive spamming Noels and Ice Car riding Jins all night long, it IS annoying.


This, online is primarily a Noel and Jin army.
 

ultim8p00

Banned
Ferrio said:
I don't hate her, but you got to admit she has access to some really easy damage. But I'm bitter cause I play Litchi.

What about Tager lol? He ends matches in like 3 seconds.

I wouldn't say that Noel has easy damage. It's more like people don't know what to do when her Drive is being spammed. I played a guy who I could not get into at all and he was using Hakumen. He countered everything. I felt like giving up Noel. Seriously her Drive is not that godly. If you want to see just how pathetic her Drive actually is when spammed, go into training mode and let the AI block after the first hit. Also put recovery on everything. You'll see that the key to Noel is making her first Drive hit because after that she can very easily be countered. And even then, her first Drive hit is slow and also easy to counter.

If you play a Noel spammer, block the first Drive, then mash A. Or when in doubt, just mash A. They will see this and be scarred, and they usually will not have any other game plan. Same thing with a lot of ice car spammers. If you play Noel, when you instant block the second hit of the ice car, just do a command throw. That'll teach them.


Also, I play online and I always play different characters. Hakumen, Ragna, Carl, Tager, Taokaka, Bang and Nu. I play these guys at least once every session.
 

Agyar

Member
Gave up sifting through the thread trying to find an answer for this question: can BlazBlue be played effectively with a standard 360 controller or does it call for a stick/alternate controller?

I did not enjoy SF2 HD remix with the standard controller and SF4 appears to have similar characteristics. I'm not really interested in purchasing additional controller hardware, since the majority of my play time would consist of versus with friends in my lounge room.

So, what's the verdict, GAF?
 

Dreavus

Member
ultim8p00 said:
What about Tager lol? He ends matches in like 3 seconds.

I wouldn't say that Noel has easy damage. It's more like people don't know what to do when her Drive is being spammed. I played a guy who I could not get into at all and he was using Hakumen. He countered everything. I felt like giving up Noel. Seriously her Drive is not that godly. If you want to see just how pathetic her Drive actually is when spammed, go into training mode and let the AI block after the first hit. Also put recovery on everything. You'll see that the key to Noel is making her first Drive hit because after that she can very easily be countered. And even then, her first Drive hit is slow and also easy to counter.

If you play a Noel spammer, block the first Drive, then mash A. Or when in doubt, just mash A. They will see this and be scarred, and they usually will not have any other game plan. Same thing with a lot of ice car spammers. If you play Noel, when you instant block the second hit of the ice car, just do a command throw. That'll teach them.


Also, I play online and I always play different characters. Hakumen, Ragna, Carl, Tager, Taokaka, Bang and Nu. I play these guys at least once every session.

It's a losing battle man. This is like me trying to defend Jin. No matter how easy it is to counter, people are still going to complain no matter what.
 

Papercuts

fired zero bullets in the orphanage.
Yeah...Tager has a poor match up against pretty much every character in the game. He can end fights quickly, sure, but he is so slow that it can be hard to even hit some people.

Actually...I think he does have a bad one against everyone based off the dustloop thing. IIRC Hakumen is his "best" one and the only one above 5.

Agyar said:
Gave up sifting through the thread trying to find an answer for this question: can BlazBlue be played effectively with a standard 360 controller or does it call for a stick/alternate controller?

I did not enjoy SF2 HD remix with the standard controller and SF4 appears to have similar characteristics. I'm not really interested in purchasing additional controller hardware, since the majority of my play time would consist of versus with friends in my lounge room.

So, what's the verdict, GAF?

This game seems really controller friendly, I do perfectly fine with the 360 controller.
 

Darkman M

Member
I played a really good Japanese Noel it's not Noel or Jin that piss people off it's spammers but with Tager i just jump in the air and peoples elbow Noel during drives it's pretty funny. :lol I enjoy playing with Tager just tougher to win with him then say Arakune.:lol As far as Jin go when i see a low level person spamming it it doesn't bother me at all but when your Level 40 and im only level 23 and that's the only move you know it pisses me off. At the same time i can't get to mad it just means i need to get alot better and not fall for those tactics.
 

Papercuts

fired zero bullets in the orphanage.
Darkman M said:
I played a really good Japanese Noel it's not Noel or Jin that piss people off it's spammers but with Tager i just jump in the air and peoples elbow Noel during drives it's pretty funny. :lol I enjoy playing with Tager just tougher to win with him then say Arakune.:lol As far as Jin go when i see a low level person spamming it it doesn't boter me at all but when your Level 40 and im only level 23 and that's the only move you know it pisses me off. At the same time i can't get to mad it just means i need to get alot better and not fall for those tactics.

Tager is actually one of the better counters for Noel D spammers, his B sledge breaks through it so they can basically never hit you if that is seriously all they're doing.
 

Ferrio

Banned
ultim8p00 said:
What about Tager lol? He ends matches in like 3 seconds.

Yes he can dominate lower level play easily. Also when I say "easy damage" I don't mean spamming drive attack. Some of her simple combos that aren't difficult at all do a very sizable amount of damage. Her distortions also combo really well and do decent damage.

But again I'm bias since I play a character that's on the same tier, has hard combos that do less damage, distortions that require setup etc...
 

Darkman M

Member
Ferrio said:
Yes he can dominate lower level play easily. Also when I say "easy damage" I don't mean spamming drive attack. Some of her simple combos that aren't difficult at all do a very sizable amount of damage. Her distortions also combo really well and do decent damage.

But again I'm bias since I play a character that's on the same tier, has hard combos that do less damage, distortions that require setup etc...

I got shat on by a nasty Korean litchi she is easily the combo beast of Blazblue, it's over if she corner traps you ive never taken a worst ass beating in a fighting game :lol Then again im not great at the game yet, but i was still amazed.
 
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