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The Uncharted series is revolutionary, and here's why
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Deleted member 81567
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The story isn't special to begin with.
Magic Mushroom
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The performances didn't suck of all, and no the visuals aren't overrated. Name me a better looking console title.
Phonomezer
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Magic Mushroom said:
FFXIII
Phonomezer said:
Ehhh, texture-wise, it was sub-par. It looked good because it took CoD's Vaseline everywhere formula and bumped it up a notch and made every character look smooth and flawless as hell.
I thought KZ3 looked real damn snazzy, but not everyone's a fan of the art style.
Chuck Norris
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Not like a JRPG, but I know what you mean. I'd love something that just smacks you emotionally like MGS3's endingBocoDragon said:
There is a lot of potential to do that, but the UC universe seems like the kind of place where the protagonists are all safe, and a predictable end to the villain is in store. I'd love to see them try and defy expectations with UC3
jim-jam bongs said:
and the point is? (i almost wrote and your contribution to society is, but I fear it's been long enough that my joke would be missed).
And I clearly pointed that i'd be biased in my opinion to the OP's comment, but that doesn't prevent me from calling out that a good number of posts over 10+ pages completely missed the question/thesis.
Callibretto
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the core shooting and climbing gameplay is great but not that revolutionary, the contextual animation system on the other hand, should be industry standard. I like how Drake automatically crouch when he's behind waist high object, or flinch when being shot at, these little animation really bring the character alive and it didn't feel like I'm controlling 3d model with walk and run animation.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Well said. My point wasn't jRPG storytelling per se... it's just one of the few examples of meaty endings in gaming. MGS3 ending is a better example.Chuck Norris said:
jim-jam bongs
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arne said:
You should have! I would have got it.
My reply was sort of a gentle tease considering that so much of the thread had replied to the title not the post and disagreed, so it tickled me to have one of the developers being lauded for "getting it". You're right though, most of the replies did ignore the actual point but if we didn't it wouldn't have been much of a thread; it's kind of hard to argue with the suggestion that Naughty Dog are right at the top tier as far as cinematic game development is concerned.
But I don't care. You guys will always be "those guys who made Keef the Thief" to me.
Tricky I Shadow
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Some people in here are trying way too hard to downplay Uncharted. The first one, ok....thats understandable, but the second one? Yeah, youre only making yourselves look stupid when you say nothing is special about Uncharted 2.
And revolutionary is a strong word. The acting is fantastic. Easily its some of the best from this gen, but revolutionary? Eh, I wouldnt go that far. I think the level of polish, detail and variety is more of a revolution than the acting is.
And revolutionary is a strong word. The acting is fantastic. Easily its some of the best from this gen, but revolutionary? Eh, I wouldnt go that far. I think the level of polish, detail and variety is more of a revolution than the acting is.
Critical acclaim by developers, gamers, reviewers. unbelievable number of gotys and other games would throw in a we are trying to offer a uncharted like experience when talking about their games. I think its safe to say without any doubt that some of you need to stop down playing uncharted series.
Also please I don't want to hear about gears slow robocop like aiming, controls, and speed. there is no natural feeling about gears shooting what so ever. I literally felt like I was robocop vs the ninja robots in robocop 3 while playing gears 2.
Also please I don't want to hear about gears slow robocop like aiming, controls, and speed. there is no natural feeling about gears shooting what so ever. I literally felt like I was robocop vs the ninja robots in robocop 3 while playing gears 2.
I enjoyed both the Uncharted games but I don't think they're anything revolutionary. They have high quality cutscenes and the in-game conversations and character interaction are all really well done as are the action set-pieces. That's what it does best. The shooting gameplay is ordinary and for me is impossible to reconcile with the characters. I like it best when you're exploring a jungle or a ruin and not trying to shoot people in the face. When you are shooting things I find Uncharted very boring, but I love it when you're not.
Magic Mushroom
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I think the shooting is great as you have a lot more freedom during the battles than some people give it credit for, but I get why some people would prefer it being less of a shooter. I really hope they do something similar to the Yak village in 3. I guess you can do some cool things with wandering through a desert and seeing mirages.
MoonsaultSlayer
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You should be upset with devs being obsessed with constantly trying to mimic the flavor of the generation. I feel that there's room for all games, including "cinematic" games. If you're going for that kind of experience genuinely, that's cool. If you're doing it because you're being forced to to match sales from trendy games, then there's a problem and it usually shows. UC made it clear from the beginning that it was aiming for the pulpy, action genre... and they did it.bede-x said:
Magicpaint
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Agreed.Sohter.Nura said:
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The OP definitely misconstrued the definition of revolutionary.
Tricky I Shadow
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Personally, I thought Uncharted 2 had the most watchable/awesome cut-scenes since Resident Evil 4. Top stuff!
Having played a lot of the games people are citing as better, color me confused.
I was playing UC2 in my room, my wife was on the computer. She heard some of the background chatter, and after a few minutes sat down on the couch and started watching. She watched me play for the next few hours. We were both blown away at how all the stuff in here didnt feel forced, but natural.
It really sounded like a witty action flick. If its not your cup of tea, I'm sorry. But calling it outright shit or subpar is just confusing.
My wife watched me play the entire game, and was pretty much always entertained. She fell asleep during the ice caves part, but there is little talking in there =P.
Dont get me wrong, I'm not shitting on people by saying this, just stating my opinion and confusion. I wouldnt put Enslaved above the voice acting or writing of UC. I'd only put MGS above it because it's such a close game to me. People dislike mgs4 for some of the crazy, I loved it.
That being said, I dont think the acting in MGS4 was better, merely the story meant more to me, I guess.
Anywho, sorry for rambling on, just read pretty much the whole thread and couldnt stop scratching my head.
I think some people post just to piss others off. And I dont get that, either.
I was playing UC2 in my room, my wife was on the computer. She heard some of the background chatter, and after a few minutes sat down on the couch and started watching. She watched me play for the next few hours. We were both blown away at how all the stuff in here didnt feel forced, but natural.
It really sounded like a witty action flick. If its not your cup of tea, I'm sorry. But calling it outright shit or subpar is just confusing.
My wife watched me play the entire game, and was pretty much always entertained. She fell asleep during the ice caves part, but there is little talking in there =P.
Dont get me wrong, I'm not shitting on people by saying this, just stating my opinion and confusion. I wouldnt put Enslaved above the voice acting or writing of UC. I'd only put MGS above it because it's such a close game to me. People dislike mgs4 for some of the crazy, I loved it.
That being said, I dont think the acting in MGS4 was better, merely the story meant more to me, I guess.
Anywho, sorry for rambling on, just read pretty much the whole thread and couldnt stop scratching my head.
I think some people post just to piss others off. And I dont get that, either.
Discotheque
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cuyahoga said:
yeah honestly a voice on the intercom in portal 2 and a freaking round ball with ai implanted in it had way more personality than anything in the Uncharted series.
It's got great production values for it's games, and it is quite cinematic....but god damn what generic characters.
People give me shit for comparing it to the Mummy but please watch those films again. Nathan Drake is no Indiana Jones, he doesn't have that swagger. He's a third-rate O Conell.
Just youtube one mummy scene and you'll see.
it's pretty lame that amy hennig is getting so much credit for writing this series, it's template storytelling and characters. Legacy of Kain was where she was actually trying.
dragonelite
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Not sure on one side i like uncharted the the gameplay side but i hate the scripted bullshit happening every 2 min or so and the endless amount of gameplay breaks you get with all those cutscenes.
I think im more oldschool and probably why i like crysis a lot they just drop you in a level and go loose. if it comes to game level im kinda claustrophobic i want nice big levels.
And i blame cod and uncharted for the direction this industry is going and the press also for praising those games. Now we probably get a shitty single player in bf3.
I think im more oldschool and probably why i like crysis a lot they just drop you in a level and go loose. if it comes to game level im kinda claustrophobic i want nice big levels.
And i blame cod and uncharted for the direction this industry is going and the press also for praising those games. Now we probably get a shitty single player in bf3.
Eaten By A Grue
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MoonsaultSlayer
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"Way more" is a bit much, no? The uncharted cast have amazing chemistry and personality, you mad?Discotheque said:
Magic Mushroom said:
Limbo, Ico, Rez, Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet... Just to name a few.
MoonsaultSlayer said:
So do I. I mean, I'm not particularly fond of cinematic games with tons of linear scripted events, mostly because they are just mimicing Hollywood blockbusters and the stories are typically paperthin(Oftentimes you wouldn't bat an eyelid if you encountered the same story/performance in a book/film), but there's certainly room for them. At times I even find them reasonably entertaining, even though they always have that design by committee feeling that triple A blockbusters just can't seem to shake these days.
Calling them revolutionary is a bit of a stretch, however.
Tricky I Shadow
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Sho_Nuff82
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Off the top of my head, Legacy of Kain, Eternal Darkness, Grand Theft Auto 4, Mass Effect, and Brutal Legend have better voice acting than Uncharted 2.
Haven't played RDR or LA Noire, but just looking at cinemas they seem better too.
Haven't played RDR or LA Noire, but just looking at cinemas they seem better too.
Tricky I Shadow
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Finaika said:
That's debatable. Uncharted doesn't have the liberty of showing off nice fantasy settings.....
With what Uncharted has, its art style is strictly at the top of its class. Its fan-bloody-tastic!
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Man. I was really hoping this thread would be another "Why all games should be like Borderlands". :lol
revolverjgw
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Eaten By A Grue said:
This game looks amazing in screenshots, but runs like a dog, so forget it.
I recently beat Enslaved and was kind of blown away by how good it looked at times, incredible vistas and detail out the wazoo... but again, the framerate made my eyes bleed. It's a shame that most console games that approach UC2 in fidelity can't get their shit together and move at a good clip!
The_Endgamer
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Okay, OP makes me know why people love this game so much. Me? i didn't really like it. I usually like adventure games but really the game felt really off-putting to me.
Nice cut-scenes yeah and the story makes for good viewing but the gameplay wasn't all there.
It kinda felt like the game was saying 'jerk around in this room for some and figure out what you CAN do. You CAN'T do everything like you did just before this puzzle, you have to know the one way to get out of this room.'
I'd much prefer a Mario game where i know the limitations of my character and limitations of the environment.
Nice cut-scenes yeah and the story makes for good viewing but the gameplay wasn't all there.
It kinda felt like the game was saying 'jerk around in this room for some and figure out what you CAN do. You CAN'T do everything like you did just before this puzzle, you have to know the one way to get out of this room.'
I'd much prefer a Mario game where i know the limitations of my character and limitations of the environment.
Tricky I Shadow
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acidspunk said:
I'll agree with this one. And RE5's cut-scenes at times are easily alongside Uncharted 2's IMO.
travisbickle
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Finaika said:
LoS looks like a teenage boys narrow-minded attempt at a fantasy universe. It's paint-by-numbers gothic without an ounce of individuality.
FieryBalrog
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The sort of revolution Uncharted is ushering in is precisely why I have 0 interest in owning either of the HD twins right now.
If I want a cinematic experience I'll go to a cinema.
If I want a cinematic experience I'll go to a cinema.
ArachosiA 78
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I dunno...I guess the cutscenes were a little better than most games due to slightly above average voice acting. But, I'm pretty anti-cutscene, so they didn't do much for me besides prevent me from actually playing the game.
I think Uncharted is revolutionary in that it shows everything that's wrong with the gaming industry and modern games in general right now. It's as simple as games can get, almost everything is scripted (i.e. you never have a choice how to do achieve a goal), its story and dialogue is aimed at 15-year-olds, and it never gives you the feeling that you actually have to explore something or figure something out. So, in a sense you're right -- it is a lot like watching a TV show or a movie. If that's what you want from a game, great, but I'd rather watch, you know, a TV show or a movie instead, and play a game that doesn't treat my like I'm stupid. I hope it doesn't become a trend but I fear it already has because it's easier than creating a complex game and it seems to sell better.
That is all.
That is all.
NinjaBoiX
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Come on dude, you couldn't make it sound any duller. It's like saying, "I don't see the appeal of racing games. All you do is hold a trigger then push the stick left or right into a corner."Mortrialus said:
Shooters, Uncharted in particular, require spatial awareness, judicious use of cover, resource (read "ammo") management, competent timing (reloading and melee) and a steady aim.
I get that you don't jive with them, that's cool. But there is much more to it than, "dragging a cursor over an enemy".
MrOogieBoogie
BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
Sloane said:
This thread is rage-inducing.
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Foliorum Viridum
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It's genuinely quite baffling that so many people can hate Uncharted. It's such a fun experience from top to bottom...
revolverjgw
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Sloane said:
I already explained why this is BS and an ignorantly simplistic opinion. I can come up with countless examples of totally different ways of approaching any given fight in a UC game, using force, environmental traversal, stealth, etc. Uncharted isn't any less dynamic than 95% of the best action games in gaming history.