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[Don]

I feel the same. Uncharted is the first popular game that I haven't been able to understand why it is so acclaimed. Gears, CoD... not entirely my thing. But I get it. Uncharted just seems too vanilla for me. Maybe that's the reason- it's lowest common denominator in terms of characters, settings, writing, plot. It's also tough to resolve the cool witty adventurer as a Rambo soldier who massacres entire battalions of PMCs.

I'm not really sure how you can get why people like Gears of War but not get why people like Uncharted considering how similar they are in a lot of ways.

You mention the characters, settting, writing and plot, but I don't see how Gears of War and Call of Duty do these things any better.

 

[Auto_aim1]

I guess there isn't a single game that is unanimously liked by everyone. Usually, the high-rated games' seem to get torn apart a lot more, e.g. like how GTA 4 is called the worst GTA game ever but is sitting pretty at 98 on Metacritic. Yes, playing it was like watching paint dry, but it did some incredible things, so it deserved a pretty high score. I guess we can say the same about Uncharted 2, although, I really don't know what it does very poorly; the boss fights, maybe? Or is it the fact that people take Uncharted games way too seriously than they should?

 

[Patapwn]

To be honest, they're very similar. Both have awful attempts at "humor". Both have ridiculous deus ex machina. Both have characters walking off deadly injuries. Maybe Crystal Skull isn't a masterpiece compared to Uncharted 2, but they're certainly comparable.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you. I see nothing awful at the humor attempted. Actually, I see a great deal of quality. I don't understand what deus ex machina even means. And Drake never walks off a deadly injury. In Uncharted 2 he gets shot in the pelvis. Not exactly a deadly injury if treated in time (which occurs).

I take issue with comparability of Uncharted 2 and CS. I simply don't understand how one could reach this conclusion. For god sakes, Indy survives a NUKE!!! by taking shelter inside a refrigerator... the whole movie was about aliens, man... ALIENS!!!

I guess one could argue that Uncharted is silly with the magic blue resin people and the supernatural phenomena that pops up here and there but such occurrences are FAR more in line with the cannon of the first three Indiana Jones films than CS.

It's fine that you have an opinion and I ain't gonna say you can't have an opinion but I disagree with you. And I think it's going overboard to objectively quantify Uncharted as 'one of the most overhyped things'. Why? because you know how many people love the series and their opinion is just as valid and shouldn't be labeled as 'most overhyped' as if they're wrong.

 

[Red]

Some hyper-critical people coming out today! Some of you need to be more respectful because the topic of discussion isn't trash despite your nit-picking.

Uncharted looks beautiful all-around, it's one of the prettiest series going. Naughty Dog is top tier and y'all know it. The train sequence in Among Thieves, for example, is pure masterclass.

It's a damn fine third person shooter that stands up to all others in the genre. Add to that some fantastic platforming (again the train off the cliff sequence) and a sprinkling of engaging puzzles.

Then there's multiplayer, not because it needs it but because ND is just that good. Even Epic didn't get MP right in Gears until the third outting. MP in Among Thieves worked great right off the bat and it didn't feel tacked on.

Shit on this series all you like but it's a powerhouse on all levels. Your favourite games probably can't boast the same.

Fantastic platforming? Uncharted? Buwhaaaaa?

 

[Patapwn]

Fantastic platforming? Uncharted? Buwhaaaaa?

Yes? Play the convey level and then we can have a discussion.

 

[Magicpaint]

Yes? Play the convey level and then we can have a discussion.

Nah, play some good platform games. Uncharted's platforming is so automated, it barely qualifies.

 

[Red]

Nah, play some good platform games. Uncharted's platforming is so automated, it barely qualifies.

Exactly.

Fantastic looking doesn't mean fantastic to play.

 

[Boombloxer]

There's a difference between "surviving the unsurvivable through luck and chance" and "defying the laws of physics and logic."

Also, GTAIV is rated higher than UC2 on Metacritic, and it certainly isn't "worshiped" anywhere so that's not a particularly strong point. UC2 really is only worshiped on GAF, and Sony fanboy forums.

Yea, not really.

The writing and voice acting are pitch-perfect in the wry, self-deprecating, vaguely cheesy fashion appropriate for a pulp adventure. The overall sound design, from the soundtrack to the Foley effects, is fabulous.

The designers at Naughty Dog have absorbed the vernacular of film and then built upon it productively, not slavishly, to create something wondrous. I only wonder when I will next see an action-adventure movie as compelling as Uncharted 2. It may be a long time.

So, as a whole, there are people outside the normal gamers/gaming press who think it is revolutionary. If you personally don't think so, that's fine, but comparing to Crystal Skull and there's no difference between this and Gears, etc is just hogwash.

It especially annoys me that there are things brought up in the series that are common to games, but somehow held against it--Nate is a murderer (endless examples); omg the plot/nazi zombies/etc (typical pulp), etc. I just get tired of reading because it is, by and large, bullshit.

I guess there isn't a single game that is unanimously liked by everyone.

Of course, that's people. But my main issue with the complaints I see are that there aren't many examples of games doing collectively everything better than Uncharted. Parts of it are arguable, sure, you want to say other games have more immersion, no problem. You want to say Gears has better gunplay, ok. But a lot of those games fall short in another area.

And that's ND's pedigree--Crash, Jak, they build games with high quality in all areas. The idea may not be revolutionary, but the overall execution is--they typically are at the top of their class in every area, and release games frequently. That quality is a sticking point in itself, and why their latest games are elevated beyond most of the field.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Nah, play some good platform games. Uncharted's platforming is so automated, it barely qualifies.

This is another difference between Uncharted and Tomb Raider now that it's mentioned.

To be fair, you can actually fall to your death in Uncharted, as opposed to Enslaved where you could practically just move the stick in circles and mash X to get from one combat area to the next.

 

[Red]

It especially annoys me that there are things brought up in the series that are common to games, but somehow held against it--Nate is a murderer (endless examples); omg the plot/nazi zombies/etc (typical pulp), etc. I just get tired of reading because it is, by and large, bullshit.

I don't think you understand the "Nate is a murderer" criticisms. "Murder" is common in games because "kill the thing" is an easy to understand goal. But think about games which emphasize this. Think Halo or Killzone or Gears of War. Your avatar in these games is a killer by definition, and this is reflected in their presentation. Nate is not presented as a murderer. He's presented as an everyman. That's where the dissociation takes place. He can't be both at the same time.

And the plot criticisms come as a response to praise. The usual counter is something like "oh, but the rest of the story is good, so the bad stuff doesn't really count."

The correct mindset is: the supernatural stuff doesn't matter, and the story is no good. It's presented well. It's still pulp nonsense, Indiana Jones meets The Mummy meets National Treasure.

 

[Patapwn]

Nah, play some good platform games. Uncharted's platforming is so automated, it barely qualifies.

I have played almost every mario game ever released plus many of the spinoffs including his bros. I think I have some credibility here.

With that said, the platforming is quite different than something like super Mario galaxy, and some might not like it and that's perfectly fine. But I had a great deal of fun with the many platforming situations in Uncharted and that's what I consider the most important aspect of any game. And as you said yourself, it does qualify.

Plus, I think you can enjoy only difficult and skill based platforming yet still like Uncharted 2's convey section. It was tricky at time, deceiving, not really hard I concede but fun/challenging seems to be a sutible description IMO.

 

[Don]

The platforming in Uncharted is great mostly because of how well it works with the shooting mechanics. Sequences such as the convoy and the part where your are jumping over the street signs while shooting enemies coming from multiple directions show how well both the shooting and platforming work together.

 

[Verendus]

I don't think you understand the "Nate is a murderer" criticisms. "Murder" is common in games because "kill the thing" is an easy to understand goal. But think about games which emphasize this. Think Halo or Killzone or Gears of War. Your avatar in these games is a killer by definition, and this is reflected in their presentation. Nate is not presented as a murderer. He's presented as an everyman. That's where the dissociation takes place. He can't be both at the same time.

And the plot criticisms come as a response to praise. The usual counter is something like "oh, but the rest of the story is good, so the bad stuff doesn't really count."

Really? This is always said and I always wonder why.

You must be quite special.

I mean, which part of him being a really intelligent treasure hunter who has constantly been involved in dangerous events, made several infamous enemies, fought pirates, mercenaries, stolen artifacts, infiltrated various guarded compounds, made quite the name for himself in his line of work, and has a mentor who was also apparently quite good as a treasure hunter himself, makes him seem like an everyman to people?

At what point in either of the two Uncharted games is Drake portrayed as an everyman? Do they miss these glaring facts about the kind of person he is?

Here, I'll help people out with this.

An everyman is an ordinary person placed in extraordinary circumstances. The idea behind this concept is for audiences to be able to imagine themselves in the same position because they wouldn't need any extra skills to cope in the same position. Hence the term. Everyman.

Now unless people these days happen to be great at research, are well versed in historic artifacts and documents, understand and recognise different ancient texts, know how to use a gun really well, and also are fit enough to climb ridiculous places with their bare hands, then Drake isn't really an everyman for them.

I mean, do you happen to be able to do those things? Or does the average person in your city or country have those skills? Maybe that's why you think he's an everyman. I'm certainly in awe of you, if that's the case.

Not being a complete tosser, having an attitude that people can somewhat relate to, and being quite likeable certainly doesn't make you an everyman. And at least here, in the West, we wouldn't consider anything ordinary about Nathan Drake apart from how he dresses.

 

[Mailenstein]

There is nothing revolutionary about this game IP.
Neither the gameplay nor the cinematics. Both is done very well tho and that's pretty much it.

Looking back, part one is nowhere near part two. Seriously, the first game is pretty repetitive and get's quite boring during some parts. Part two is much better game design wise. The balance is just right most of the time, so I'm really wondering how Uncharted 3 will turn out.

I'm sure it will be fun as hell and I'm sure it won't be revolutionary, but it does not have to. I just want it to be a fun time.

 

[Magic Mushroom]

Uncharted just loved on GAF and PlayStation forums is bullshit. It won awards everywhere, from the Game Critics to the BAFTA's. I am a member of British forum RLLMUK (the former Edge forums) and it was voted game of the year there as well. It's a universally loved game, which of course does not mean it's revolutionary.

 

[Boombloxer]

I don't think you understand the "Nate is a murderer" criticisms. "Murder" is common in games because "kill the thing" is an easy to understand goal. But think about games which emphasize this. Think Halo or Killzone or Gears of War. Your avatar in these games is a killer by definition, and this is reflected in their presentation. Nate is not presented as a murderer. He's presented as an everyman. That's where the dissociation takes place. He can't be both at the same time.

And the plot criticisms come as a response to praise. The usual counter is something like "oh, but the rest of the story is good, so the bad stuff doesn't really count."

No, you pretty much commit murder in every game, not different from seeing a movie about an everyman who kills to survive.

There's a post above me that explains what an actual everyman is, and the difference between likable guy and an actual everyman.

I understand the argument just fine, it's still silly.

The correct mindset is: the supernatural stuff doesn't matter, and the story is no good. It's presented well. It's still pulp nonsense, Indiana Jones meets The Mummy meets National Treasure.

That's subjective--if you don't care for pulp-style adventure, then why play in the first place? It's like saying you ignore the gangster part of The Sopranos. Can't really do that because that's his world.

 

[Red]

No, you pretty much commit murder in every game, not different from seeing a movie about an everyman who kills to survive.

There's a post above me that explains what an actual everyman is, and the difference between likable guy and an actual everyman.

I understand the argument just fine, it's still silly.

The movie analogy doesn't work for me. I get what you're saying, but because one thing exists it does not excuse another. They're both equally at fault.

I also understand the misuse of "everyman" in this context, but how is "likable guy who mercilessly kills hundreds" any better?

That's subjective--if you don't care for pulp-style adventure, then why play in the first place? It's like saying you ignore the gangster part of The Sopranos. Can't really do that because that's his world.

I do care for pulp-style adventure. The three Indiana Jones films are some of my all-time favorites. And I really enjoy Uncharted. I'm just not one of those people who think it's immune from criticism.

 

[Pranay]

he platforming in Uncharted is great mostly because of how well it works with the shooting mechanics. Sequences such as the convoy and the part where your are jumping over the street signs while shooting enemies coming from multiple directions show how well both the shooting and platforming work together.

Agreed !

 

[revolverjgw]

I don't think you understand the "Nate is a murderer" criticisms. "Murder" is common in games because "kill the thing" is an easy to understand goal. But think about games which emphasize this. Think Halo or Killzone or Gears of War. Your avatar in these games is a killer by definition, and this is reflected in their presentation. Nate is not presented as a murderer. He's presented as an everyman. That's where the dissociation takes place. He can't be both at the same time.

An "everyman" who has traveled the world treasure hunting and thieving and is known and respected by all the world's leading master criminals. Yeah. An all-around John Q. Public.

I think it's kind of understood that if you're some sort of hotshot thief dabbling in illegal activities in the underworld, you're gonna deal with a lot of people that may want to kill you. From the very first scene in the very first game, Drake is shown to be a prepared for a fight and through later dialog it's made clear he's been in tons of them and is never shown to be anything less than an experienced fighter. Maybe some PR person called him an "everyman", but there's no disconnect in the games themselves. This guy's an action hero in an action game, right down to the quips.

I don't know what him being "likable" has to do with anything, it's a fun, unrealistic action romp, why not have a character that's having some fun along with the player. And it's not "merciless" to fight back against an evil super villain's private army of rocket launcher-wielding pirates, or MUTATED ZOMBIE NAZIS that want your brains.

 

[Verendus]

There have been some good critical reviews of Uncharted 2, that's certainly not one of them. Just the two passages you've posted are trite. Speaking in absolutes, bad job of explaining things, and poorly written. The overall review doesn't do any better.

And this:

If anyone's interested in reading a well written review that thought the game was merely average

Is bizarre.

Who would want to read a review of the game simply because the reviewer thought it was average?

For those who have played the game, I doubt they'll care about reviews since they'll have experienced the game to form their own opinion.

For those who are interested, reading one review is never a good idea unless they're aware of the reviewer and they know him to have similar taste and trust his judgments.

 

[Patapwn]

If anyone's interested in reading a well written review that thought the game was merely average, I recommend Tom Chick's review

http://www.crispygamer.com/gamereviews/2009-10-13/uncharted-2-among-thieves-ps3.aspx

I'm just reading the quote here, don't want to give hits if it doesn't deserve any, but did this guy actually say Uncharted doesn't have many memorable moments and character interactions? The whole game IS memorable moments and character interactions...

Did he list actual game examples that met his criteria or is he just making negative 'I don't like this, it's not very good' statements without backing them up with examples from other games?

Edit: just read the other (longer) quote you put in there. Yep. I was right. So much double standard shit going on there. Glad I didn't give hits.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

If anyone's interested in reading a well written review that thought the game was merely average, I recommend Tom Chick's review

http://www.crispygamer.com/gamereviews/2009-10-13/uncharted-2-among-thieves-ps3.aspx

Given your avatar I thought I'd also post this: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/06/29/tom-chick-the-man-who-hated-deus-ex/

 

[Red]

There have been some good critical reviews of Uncharted 2, that's certainly not one of them.

Could you link to one of them?

 

[Patapwn]

He lists examples, and goes into detail on how the first game did character interactions much better. From the review:



He loved the first game by the way:

http://www.crispygamer.com/gamereviews/2008-01-31/uncharted-drakes-fortune-ps3.aspx



I know he hates Deus Ex. Doesn't mean I can't appreciate his writing.

Just a question, what games did he mention and how did he describe Uncharted 2 character interactions being different from 1? What is meant by character interactions? The in-game dialogue? Or does he just not like the new/characters?

 

[Forsete]

Not worshiped? How many awards did this game get again?
lul.

Uncharted series is probably the best thing we got out of this gen. Full stop.

 

[SuperSonic1305]

I do not think I have ever seen a thread filled with people trying so hard to put down a popular and universally praised game. Some of these excuses are just pathetic and grasping at straws.

 

[Domcorleone]

I don't think you understand the "Nate is a murderer" criticisms. "Murder" is common in games because "kill the thing" is an easy to understand goal. But think about games which emphasize this. Think Halo or Killzone or Gears of War. Your avatar in these games is a killer by definition, and this is reflected in their presentation. Nate is not presented as a murderer. He's presented as an everyman. That's where the dissociation takes place. He can't be both at the same time.

And the plot criticisms come as a response to praise. The usual counter is something like "oh, but the rest of the story is good, so the bad stuff doesn't really count."

The correct mindset is: the supernatural stuff doesn't matter, and the story is no good. It's presented well. It's still pulp nonsense, Indiana Jones meets The Mummy meets National Treasure.

Do you deal with this conundrum when you watch diehard? Or anymore that paints the hero as an Everyman that kills a shit load of ppl? Or is it just for videogames?

 

[Boombloxer]

The movie analogy doesn't work for me. I get what you're saying, but because one thing exists it does not excuse another. They're both equally at fault.

I also understand the misuse of "everyman" in this context, but how is "likable guy who mercilessly kills hundreds" any better?


I do care for pulp-style adventure. The three Indiana Jones films are some of my all-time favorites. And I really enjoy Uncharted. I'm just not one of those people who think it's immune from criticism.

I don't think it's immune from criticism either, but I think some are more valid than others.

There's a standard there already. If you don't like the standard, then that's a different issue, but it's one of those things that's accepted.

Uncharted, Arkham Asylum and Brutal Legend

One of these things is not like the others.

How many awards did Metal Gear Solid 4 and GTAIV get? Are they worshiped? What do awards have to do with anything? Judging from this topic, there doesn't seem to be a consensus.

Someone mentioned it's only popular here and on Sony forums, which is simply false. YMMV, but more people think it is great than think it is mediocre or average. The awards and praise from different outlets all speak to that, as well as the sales.

There is a consensus, it is a great game and of the best of the generation, but not without flaws. Disagreeing with the consensus is nothing new, but if we look at sales, player satisfaction and critical acclaim, the consensus is clear, it is great, period.

 

[Dyno]

The platforming in Uncharted is great mostly because of how well it works with the shooting mechanics. Sequences such as the convoy and the part where your are jumping over the street signs while shooting enemies coming from multiple directions show how well both the shooting and platforming work together.

Yes I agree plus it also shows how beastly their engine is.

 

[Dan Yo]

Revolutionary? No. Better than just about everything else out there? Certainly.

It's this kind of hyperbole, that I consistently hear on Gaf, that makes me roll my eyes any time I hear any praise for this series.

It's like PS3 trumpeters in 2007, looking for a champion on their system of choice, started following the Kittonwy movement by putting an average game up on a pedestal, and then when the second one turned out to be better than average, the next logical step was to treat it like the second coming of Jesus in video game form.

 

[Boombloxer]

It's this kind of hyperbole, that I consistently hear on Gaf, that makes me roll my eyes any time I hear any praise for this series.

It's like PS3 trumpeters in 2007, looking for a champion on their system of choice, started following the Kittonwy movement by putting an average game up on a pedestal, and then when the second one turned out to be better than average, the next logical conclusion was to treat it like the second coming of Jesus in video game form.

Which games do you consider average that were propped up?

I can roll with Heavenly Sword, because that never matched it's potential. Lair, sure. One game for a reason.

But Resistance, Uncharted and Ratchet? No way. With the exception of R2, each sequel was a noticeable leap in quality. Same applies to God of War 3, and Infamous 1-2, LBP.

 

[Forsete]

Which games do you consider average that were propped up?

He probably means Uncharted.. You remember, that mediocre game that we only liked because of Kittowny.

*bizzario jazz riffs*

 

[MYE]

It's this kind of hyperbole, that I consistently hear on Gaf, that makes me roll my eyes any time I hear any praise for this series.

It's like PS3 trumpeters in 2007, looking for a champion on their system of choice, started following the Kittonwy movement by putting an average game up on a pedestal, and then when the second one turned out to be better than average, the next logical step was to treat it like the second coming of Jesus in video game form.

As much as i'm reluctant to admit it, i think that is exactly whats happening (for the most part)

Will the praise for this game stand the test of time intact when the pretty graphics look... less pretty?

Probably not.

 

[Red]

Do you deal with this conundrum when you watch diehard? Or anymore that paints the hero as an Everyman that kills a shit load of ppl? Or is it just for videogames?

It's not a conundrum. It's equal silliness.

 

[Ricky_R]

I don't remember when or how Nathan Drake was classified as an everyday man, but I'm sure it meant that he "looked" like it, physically.

He's a normal looking guy, who dresses casually, who isn't buffed or in the military. A guy that you can have a normal conversation with anybody (in the video games of course), a guy who likes to say jokes, etc.

I don't think it was meant to say that Drake was a clueless joe who didn't have any experience in dangerous situations, or that he was like your next door neighboor who is an accountant that ended up in Shambala killing mercenaries while trying to find the Tree of Life.

Just a thought.
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[BlindCommunication]

Nathan Drake always seemed like Indiana Jones to me, someone you don't expect to kill tons of bad guys.

On the other hand, the Gears of War/Halo/Killzone main chars look like Rambo so I expect them to slaughter mercilessly their enemies.

So I can understand why some people feel shocked about Drake running around and breaking people's neck casually. Never really was a problem for me though since what I like in Uncharted is the gameplay, not the story nor the characters nor the "treasure hunter" atmosphere.

 

[snoopeasystreet]

Nathan Drake always seemed like Indiana Jones to me, someone you don't expect to kill tons of bad guys.

On the other hand, the Gears of War/Halo/Killzone main chars look like Rambo so I expect them to be mercilessly their enemies.

So I can understand why some people feel shocked about Drake running around and breaking people's neck casually. Never really was a problem for me though since what I like in Uncharted is the gameplay, not the story nor the characters nor the "treasure hunter" atmosphere.

Also, in the games you mentioned, the dude's you're killing are aliens and in a wartime environment. Drake is killing regular dudes for treasure.

 

[-tetsuo-]

This thread is hilarious

 

[MrOogieBoogie]

I do not think I have ever seen a thread filled with people trying so hard to put down a popular and universally praised game. Some of these excuses are just pathetic and grasping at straws.

Absolutely agree. I thought this was the one game universally praised on GAF. I guess not, though.

 

[Boss Doggie]

1. Why do you let fans colour your opinion on a series?
2. Why do you bring up Gurren Lagann every time such a situation happens?

Oh I don't let it color my view on the series, I let it color my view on the fandom though, and it's quite dirty. Like I said, I have no opinion on the game, I have however, on its fans.

And because they are quite an annoying bunch of people, probably never watched a mecha show save for EVA *vomits*

 

[Uno Venova]

Absolutely agree. I thought this was the one game universally praised on GAF. I guess not, though.

A title like that is going to bring the biggest pull of anti Uncharted posts though, people see a thread title praising a game that they didn't like and they will not hesitate make it known.

 

[MrOogieBoogie]

A title like that is going to bring the biggest pull of anti Uncharted posts though, people see a thread title praising a game that they didn't like and they will not hesitate make it known.

Fair enough, but some of these arguments are ludicrous. I cited one specific example that I believe is the game's major revolutionary aspect; yet we have people stretching the definition to envelop all facets of the game.

 

[Lion Heart]

It's this kind of hyperbole, that I consistently hear on Gaf, that makes me roll my eyes any time I hear any praise for this series.

It's like PS3 trumpeters in 2007, looking for a champion on their system of choice, started following the Kittonwy movement by putting an average game up on a pedestal, and then when the second one turned out to be better than average, the next logical step was to treat it like the second coming of Jesus in video game form.

If there are people like this that exist, than there must be the opposite end of the spectrum as well. People who saw the stumbling PS3 in 2006 and started a hate train. Where ever a PS3 exclusive is spoken about, they are there waiting to shit on it. Ever notice how every big-semi big ps3 exclusive has at least a few very vocal haters that will turn up in every thread where its mentioned? Can't say the same for other platforms.

 

[Uno Venova]

Fair enough, but some of these arguments are ludicrous. I cited one specific example that I believe is the game's major revolutionary aspect; yet we have people stretching the definition to envelop all facets of the game.

Of course, this thread had it all, some saying the gameplay has no substance, wanting to the game to be open world, have dialogue options, comparisons to Mario Bros. I probably said "wow" like 20 times in this thread at some of the responses.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

If there are people like this that exist, than there must be the opposite end of the spectrum as well. People who saw the stumbling PS3 in 2006 and started a hate train. Where ever a PS3 exclusive is spoken about, they are there waiting to shit on it. Ever notice how every big-semi big ps3 exclusive has at least a few very vocal haters that will turn up in every thread where its mentioned? Can't say the same for other platforms.

As someone who is largely impartial in the console wars (PC gamer, I think they all suck equally) I have to say that the Sony camp don't do themselves any favours. Not sure how long you've been here but there was a time when every single discussion of visuals lead to an endless sea of Uncharted and Killzone GIFs which kind of shitted up lots of threads.

Of course, this thread had it all, some saying the gameplay has no substance, wanting to the game to be open world, have dialogue options, comparisons to Mario Bros. I probably said "wow" like 20 times in this thread at some of the responses.

Don't forget all the people misrepresenting the views of other posters in order to dismiss them without refutation.

 

[stupei]

It's this kind of hyperbole, that I consistently hear on Gaf, that makes me roll my eyes any time I hear any praise for this series.

It's like PS3 trumpeters in 2007, looking for a champion on their system of choice, started following the Kittonwy movement by putting an average game up on a pedestal, and then when the second one turned out to be better than average, the next logical step was to treat it like the second coming of Jesus in video game form.

I don't think I've agreed with anything I've ever seen you say on here before, so I'm pretty reluctant to admit it, and yet: this. Totally and completely this.

Fair enough, but some of these arguments are ludicrous. I cited one specific example that I believe is the game's major revolutionary aspect; yet we have people stretching the definition to envelop all facets of the game.

Well the game doesn't qualify as "revolutionary" in any way; that'd be why people are arguing with you. As has been pointed out over and over, there is a distinct difference between a revolution and an evolution. Nobody is saying, "Hey, you know we should stop using shitty voice acting because of Uncharted." Literally no one.

If there are people like this that exist, than there must be the opposite end of the spectrum as well. People who saw the stumbling PS3 in 2006 and started a hate train. Where ever a PS3 exclusive is spoken about, they are there waiting to shit on it. Ever notice how every big-semi big ps3 exclusive has at least a few very vocal haters that will turn up in every thread where its mentioned? Can't say the same for other platforms.

You know, but it's also possible to think that Uncharted 2 is a really, really great game, one of the best of the generation, and still think the hyperbole is silly and embarrassing.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

If there are people like this that exist, than there must be the opposite end of the spectrum as well. People who saw the stumbling PS3 in 2006 and started a hate train. Where ever a PS3 exclusive is spoken about, they are there waiting to shit on it. Ever notice how every big-semi big ps3 exclusive has at least a few very vocal haters that will turn up in every thread where its mentioned? Can't say the same for other platforms.

Are we really having discussions about system wars? Come on people

 

[Sayah]

I love the Uncharted series but Uncharted doesn't do anything revolutionary. The cut scenes are really well done but Uncharted isn't the first game to do them well and there are others that have done far far better in presenting a gripping story with memorable characters. I don't deny the series being great in terms of quality but as far as being innovative or revolutionary........nope.

 

[Lion Heart]

Are we really having discussions about system wars? Come on people

He started it!

You guys can say what you want. Every fanbase has a game they champion like its the greatest thing ever, Nintendo has SMG, Xbox has Halo, and Sony has Uncharted 2. Let them have their cake.

 

[Uno Venova]

Don't forget all the people misrepresenting the views of other posters in order to dismiss them without refutation.

Point me to em, I'll give em a piece of my mind!!