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Alice in Wonderland was pretty garbage but man that random ass dance at the end was pretty hilarious. Just came out of nowhere.
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Wkd BO 0414-1617 - Can't fight fate, Baby: F8 leaves WW B.O. opening record in dust
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Hero_of_the_Day
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Alice 2 made 29% of what the first did. If Avatar 2 does the same, it still makes over $800 million. I didn't really care for Avatar, but I'll still be there for Two, just like every single one of you will be, especially if the reviews come in and say it's better. And then you have to realize there are obviously tons of people who liked the first, that it didn't stumble into being the biggest box office draw of all time, and the second best selling bluray ever.
That would be a flop of epic portions.
It will do over a billion for sure, but anyone who thinks it has a chance to come near 2 billion has no understanding of how little anyone cares about Avatar whatsoever.
Jurassic World at least had an early entry that was extremely well regarded and millions and millions had nostalgia for and still was quoted. Everyone knew the theme song.
Avatar has literally none of that. No one is nostalgic for it, no one remembers the characters, no one ever quotes it, no one recognizes the music. Find someone who isn't a hardcore Cameron fan who remembers any of this...you can't because they just don't exist.
It too got a sequel that is coming out a decade after the first and won't be as successful.
Who is that creepy guy in the trunk.
It too got a sequel that is coming out a decade after the first and won't be as successful.
What in the FUCK is this
It too got a sequel that is coming out a decade after the first and won't be as successful.
who the hell are any of these people
LEAVE MY CHILDHOOD ALONE, HOLLYWOOD
I hope that Avatar 2 releases in 2019 to add to the pure chaos of that year. There are a lot of untitled films at the moment, so I'm throwing some guesses in <brackets>
Probably Star Wars Episode IX as well, unless Disney decides to delay it until 2020 to even out their fiscal years.
- Untitled Universal Event Film (2019) (Uni.) - 1/18 <no idea>
- The LEGO Movie 2 (WB) - 2/8
- Untitled Fox / Marvel Film (2019) (Fox) - 2/14 <Likely Deadpool if they don't announce otherwise in the next 2 months)
- Untitled Universal Monster Franchise Film (2019) (Uni.) - 2/15 <or not if the Cruise missle misses>
- How to Train Your Dragon 3 (Uni.) - 3/1
- Captain Marvel (BV) - 3/8
- Godzilla 2 (WB) - 3/22
- Untitled Disney Fairy Tale (Live Action) (BV) - 3/29 <something big. Lion King?>
- Untitled DC Film (April 2019) (WB) - 4/5 <I can see this dropping off the schedule, but there are plenty of candidates to choose from>
- Fast & Furious 9 (Uni.) - 4/19
- Untitled Avengers (BV) - 5/3 <this is going to be marketed as the wrap up of a decade worth of stories>
- Minecraft (WB) - 5/24
- Untitled DC Film (June 2019) (WB) - 6/14 <Maybe Wonder Woman 2 if the first is a hit. Is Man of Steel 2 confirmed? If so, that would make sense too>
- Toy Story 4 (BV) - 6/21
- Transformers 7 (Par.) - 6/28 <lol>
- The Secret Life of Pets 2 (Uni.) - 7/3
- Spider-Man: Homecoming 2 (Sony) - 7/5
- Untitled Indiana Jones (2019) (BV) - 7/19
- Untitled WB Event Film (2019) (WB) - 8/2 <no idea>
- Untitled WB Event Film #2 (2019) (WB) - 9/27 <no idea #2>
- Untitled DC Film (2019) (WB) - 11/1 <no idea #3>
- Untitled Disney Fairy-Tale #1 (2019) [Live Action] (BV) - 11/8 <Disney likes to stick their b-tier fall release here, so something with a $200-250M DOM target>
- Untitled Disney Animation (3-D) (BV) - 11/27 <my bet is Frozen 2>
- Untitled Disney Fairy-Tale #2 (2019) [Live Action] (BV) - 12/20 <no clue, but probably something big if this isn't bumped in favour of Star Wars IX>
- WICKED (Uni.) - 12/20
Probably Star Wars Episode IX as well, unless Disney decides to delay it until 2020 to even out their fiscal years.
Bobby Roberts
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This page is revelatory
BronsonLee
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Fast & Furious 9 (Uni.) - 4/19
Untitled Avengers (BV) - 5/3
Oh nooooooooo
Also since Disney just dropped a shitload of money on an Avatar park, do they stay out of the way of Avatar 2 or nah
Untitled Avengers (BV) - 5/3
Oh nooooooooo
Also since Disney just dropped a shitload of money on an Avatar park, do they stay out of the way of Avatar 2 or nah
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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The worst trend in Hollywood of the last few years has been announcing 25 "Untitled Event Film X" a decade in advance.
They were trying to give Cameron courtesy next year by releasing Han Solo in May, but nooooooooooooo someone couldn't start filming the damn thing in time.
Fast & Furious 9 (Uni.) - 4/19
Untitled Avengers (BV) - 5/3
Oh nooooooooo
Also since Disney just dropped a shitload of money on an Avatar park, do they stay out of the way of Avatar 2 or nah
They were trying to give Cameron courtesy next year by releasing Han Solo in May, but nooooooooooooo someone couldn't start filming the damn thing in time.
Lucasfilm is already prepping to begin shooting IX later this year...I can't see them delaying it.
It's really weird how Disney dated Indiana Jones, like an actual full on release date and press release but we haven't heard a peep since other than Spielberg is directing and Ford is starring.
I mean does it even have a writer?
Sibersk Esto
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I really should get around to watching Avatar one of these days...
broncobuster
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I'm stoked for Untitled Disney Fairy-Tale #2.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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I mean that kind of ties into the point. The fact that Avatar made Alice a hit shows exactly why Avatar was a hit (at least, of the scale it was) and why Avatar 2 could have trouble coming close to the original.
When Avatar dropped two of the biggest reasons it was as massive as it was were 1) the novelty of 3D in a massive blockbuster purpose-built for the tech and 2) the groundbreaking visual effects and impressive fully CGI world. Both were such a huge thing at the time that even a relatively mediocre film like Alice and Wonderland was able to ride off that hype to a whopping billion dollars, which is kind of ridiculous total for a film that wound up being fairly bland.
In the time since 3D has become mainstream and we've had films like Alice, Life of Pie, and Jungle Book. Avatar did 3D better than just about everything (except, in my opinion, Tron 2) and arguably its CG world is still impressive, but either way the films two biggest hooks really aren't that big of a hook anymore. Which is partly exemplified by Alice 2 cratering. Cameron is definitely beyond James Bobin and Avatar 2 isn't going to be anywhere near as underwhelming of a film as Alice 2, but I do think it's a sign that it won't have anywhere near the power of the first.
That said, anyone who is thinking less than $1B is fucking nuts, lol.
Also, I struggle to think of a timeframe to release Avatar 2 where it doesn't have its legs cut off by one of the million superhero movies, or Star Wars, or Pixar/Disney animation, or Fast and Furious...
just look at kswis' post. It it really much less chaotic in 2020? Or 2021? the game has changed since 2009.
just look at kswis' post. It it really much less chaotic in 2020? Or 2021? the game has changed since 2009.
Studios still were trained to think they can only release blockbusters in the summer. Late fall/winter blockbusters were more like we got 1 big december film and thats it. Now they flood late november and december with films.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Sure. Anything near 1.5-2 billion will require it actually be good. 1 billion just requires Cameron to actually put it the fuck out. If Two sucks, Three and Four (Christ...) are where we will see things really drop.
It's worth watching once for the pretties. It's kind of boring, but it's not as bad as the people who are salty about it making so much money would have you believe. It's just nothing special either, outside of the insane effects.
PhoncipleBone
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David Koepp again probably.
Which begs the question, does this even have a writer if that is the case?
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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If Avatar 2 gets BvS reviews, that thread will be the end of GAF.
look at this man spreading the good word.
bronx, would you like to be co-captain of team #lessthanabilli ?
Bobby Roberts
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It's worth a watch!
Hell, I should give it a rewatch.
I don't think I've actually given it a run on the projector ever.
What will happen if Spielberg outgrosses Cameron's Avatar 2 with Indiana Jones 5 in 2019. Does the world end?
I am actually really curious to see how China takes to Indiana Jones.
Jones 5 is honestly the biggest 2019 question mark. Does Spielberg have it in him to direct a movie like that still as old man Spielberg? Can Ford actually you know play it without it coming across as kind of sad to watch?
Avatar's bread and butter was the "Fuck you, it's January/February" deadzone, which is pretty quickly turning into big money between huge January expansions of award films and the start of the two month pre-season to summer box office (which is comparable to the actual summer box office that we used to get 20 years ago).
The seventh highest grossing film of all time domestically, released that same 3rd weekend in December, got all of 3 weeks at #1 before other things took over.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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I mean, do you really think Avatar 2 will be BvS levels of outright bad though? Because that film probably hit the literal absolute floor for a Batman and Superman movie with Wonder Woman in 2016. Whatever the hell Avatar 2's floor is, I doubt it will hit it.
Gentleman Jack
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Not only was it over Ant-Man, but they admitted to collecting 11 months worth of posts in notepad.exe just for that occasion.
Hero_of_the_Day
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My god, the thought of Cameron putting out something as bad as BvS is too much for my brain to fathom.
In all honesty...are we kind of being overly optimistic thinking Avatar 2 is coming out in 2-2.5 years?
I mean they are shooting 3 films back to back and production has not begun. They haven't even begun casting this massive thing. I think we are getting very very close to running out of time for it to hit in 2019.
I mean they are shooting 3 films back to back and production has not begun. They haven't even begun casting this massive thing. I think we are getting very very close to running out of time for it to hit in 2019.
broncobuster
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Seeing how many are rooting for it to fail, would it? Now, an Avengers 3, Jurassic World 2, Star Wars 9, something along those lines would.
cartographer
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All it took for the thread to get going was some Avatar 2 talk.
China will be $400M+
I have no clue how much more than that it will end up with, but Furious 7 numbers will be the floor, given the 4-5 year gap.
The first Avatar broke $200M back when the all-time record was less than $70M. They give $150M to XXX and Resident Evil sequels these days.
There's no real point of discussing <$1B. The rest of the world could drop 80% and that is still probably happening thanks to China.
Bobby Roberts
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Exactly.
Star Wars owns December now. I'd be shocked if they ever move from there at this point.
I don't know exactly what the situation is with Disney and the Avatar theme park, but I can't imagine they'd want to move Star Wars out of that coveted holiday spot just so Avatar can shine. If anything, Avatar moves to get out of the way of Star Wars.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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But...that's 9 :/
broncobuster
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Star Wars prequels had better reviews than you'd think, aside from Phantom Menace, which totally had its fair share of meltdowns.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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The weird thing is that Ant-Man has the 2nd smallest DOM OW of any MCU film. It did have very good legs for an MCU film but the thread was created right after OW if I remember correctly.
The crow was premature.
That was the joke, that people just assume Trevorrow is going to make a bad movie.
I see now it was not a good joke.
lol ah ok, I thought you meant that's why 8 could be bad. But yeah, bad reviews for 8 will bring a meltdown review thread.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Does that make whatever Star Wars movie is also opening that December the Braun Strowman of movies?
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