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[#Phonepunk#]

High end pc is also much more expensive than a console. Your gonna pay as much for a new top of the line video card alone as you do for a brand new console.

Plus you are still going to struggle with getting the controller to work no matter how much you pay. That’s a convenience console players always will have over PC

 

[Ellery]

Yikes this PC versus Console "fighting" in threads or even making new threads to make childish snide remarks is so damn pathetic.

 

[KingBibo]

Console gaming is not only about power. Its more about "convenience".

 

[LazyParrot]

Most games from the Win95 era and prior no longer work on PC unless emulated so I wouldn’t say that is exactly true.

That's true, but it's not like that poses any sort of real challenge for someone who wants to play older games. Setting up emulation via DOSBox or some other method is trivial, and sites like GOG will even take care of it for you.

I play a lot of older games, and I have yet to run into one I couldn't get to work within minutes. In my experience games from the Win95/DOS era aren't even the worst offenders, it's titles from the early 2000s that tend to require the most tinkering.

 

[OmaeWaMouShindiggity]

You pay more upfront but in the long run you get better value. You get cheaper games and an almost unlimited backwards compatibility. Also a lot of homebrew emulators and mods.

Plus, when it comes to multiplatform games, console users always get the average experience. PC users get the best experience. You get what you paid for.

My console lasted me 7 years and I never had to worry about not being able to run a game that was released in my gen. For the majority of the gen I was able to get dirt cheap physical games(I even share some physical media with friends, specifically PS4 single player games). With the introduction of game pass I have access to a Netflix of games I would've never bought separately in the first place (and would have missed some gems). Never had to worry about upgrading to be able to run a new game. Never had to worry about minimum specs.

I'd say my value is wonderful for something that was less than $500.

 

[Mobilemofo]

Consoles for me. Use to build pcs back in the day. Could not be arsed at all now..

 

[Graciaus]

Not sure where people get the no cheaters on console. My most played game on ps4 was Diablo 3 and it was unplayable online because of all the hacked weapons. Pc version was clean of that. People cheated all the time in other games as well.

 

[LazyParrot]

That doesn't happen with physical media on consoles.

Yeah, on console you just take out the disc, pop it in and... wait for the required 50+ GB day one patch to download
Shit's already happening now, and it's only going to get worse from here on out. Physical media is on the way out, and there isn't much you can do about it.

Besides, if some developer or publisher decides to shut down their game or yank it from Steam you can always get a free working copy... elsewhere. That even goes for huge MMOs with thousands of players like Warhammer Online or Star Wars Galaxies, where the official servers were shut down years ago, only to be replaced by fan-run ones. You won't ever see that on consoles.

 

[ZywyPL]

But this isn't even true. One hdmi cable and xbox one controller later and bam, you're couch gaming with your pc.

If you try hard enough you can drive your car on just two wheels, so why get a motorcycle, right? Sure you can plug PC to an HD TV, but that's not what 99.99% people do with their PC, that's not what they were designed for at all. All you say is true, but it all immediately fells apart once you actually power on the PC, the Windows and everything within it is simply not designed with a controller in mind, at all, you still need that M+K for even basic operations, and no one wants to have a M+K on their living room's desk. You can try using one of those small BT keyboards with build-in trackpads, which helps just a little bit, but it's still nowhere near as convenient as something purposely build for a TV set in a living room. A keyboard is always a keyboard, it needs to be properly positioned unless your into chronic back pain, and the desk is what allows for that proper, comfortable position. It's the very same reason why laptops are best suited for a desk or dining room/kitchen table. It all sounds simple in theory, but the initial impression fades away veeery quickly. Truth be told, that's exactly how I play for the past 7 years or so, solely because current console simply don't cut it for me with their sub-30FPS and the exclusives are almost non-existent (including Sony's lineup), I everything to make it as comfortable, or should I actually say as bearable as possible, but I simply cannot wait for next-gen consoles to get back to proper comfy couch experience and say goodbye for my PC. 4K60 is fucking awesome no doubts, but if the upcoming consoles will give me that, then there will be no reason for me for keeping the PC in the living room anymore.

 

[Chairman Tickles]

If you try hard enough you can drive your car on just two wheels, so why get a motorcycle, right? Sure you can plug PC to an HD TV, but that's not what 99.99% people do with their PC, that's not what they were designed for at all. All you say is true, but it all immediately fells apart once you actually power on the PC, the Windows and everything within it is simply not designed with a controller in mind, at all, you still need that M+K for even basic operations, and no one wants to have a M+K on their living room's desk. You can try using one of those small BT keyboards with build-in trackpads, which helps just a little bit, but it's still nowhere near as convenient as something purposely build for a TV set in a living room. A keyboard is always a keyboard, it needs to be properly positioned unless your into chronic back pain, and the desk is what allows for that proper, comfortable position. It's the very same reason why laptops are best suited for a desk or dining room/kitchen table. It all sounds simple in theory, but the initial impression fades away veeery quickly. Truth be told, that's exactly how I play for the past 7 years or so, solely because current console simply don't cut it for me with their sub-30FPS and the exclusives are almost non-existent (including Sony's lineup), I everything to make it as comfortable, or should I actually say as bearable as possible, but I simply cannot wait for next-gen consoles to get back to proper comfy couch experience and say goodbye for my PC. 4K60 is fucking awesome no doubts, but if the upcoming consoles will give me that, then there will be no reason for me for keeping the PC in the living room anymore.

It's so easy, your argument is invalid. Just because most people don't do it, doesn't mean it can't easily be done. Most people in the world shit on the street or in fields, but I will continue to enjoy my toilet.

 

[tflopsmatter]

Physical media isn't even a real thing anymore. The game on the disc is not the finished game more often than not, even at release, and the game runs off the hard drive. I tried to hold onto physical media too, but the studios and hardware makers worked to destroy it this gen... it's why GameStop is nearly bankrupt as a company. Soon enough 80-90% of sales will be digital and the game section at Walmart will look like the CD section. And those games will have keys, not even the real disc. It's going to happen.

If I get a PS5, I'm not going to connect it online. I'll be playing whatever is on the disc. If the game isn't complete, that's all I'll have to play. I refuse to buy games online.

 

[kurisu_1974]

POR QUE NO LOS DOS

(as with any shit thread like this)

Plus you are still going to struggle with getting the controller to work no matter how much you pay. That’s a convenience console players always will have over PC

Lol sure you are.

 

[HarryKS]

It costs TOO MUCH money for the type of dweeb stuff you're gonna be running on it.

 

[ZywyPL]

It's so easy, your argument is invalid. Just because most people don't do it, doesn't mean it can't easily be done.

It'd love yo see just trying to login to Windows or getting into Bios with nothing but a controller, to witness how simple operating a PC without M+K is. really.

 

[Chairman Tickles]

It'd love yo see just trying to login to Windows or getting into Bios with nothing but a controller, to witness how simple operating a PC without M+K is. really.

Are you even serial right now? Like, super serial? My 1650 based gaming laptop has been on for 3 months and stays on. I can get steam big picture to launch on startup without even logging into windows.

Watchu talkin' about.

 

[Irobot82]

Because I like PC gaming.
Because you like console.

Who gives a fuck, enjoy the games and quit bitching.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

I play a lot of older games, and I have yet to run into one I couldn't get to work within minutes.

try playing any of the X-Wing or Tie Fighter games using a modern controller, keyboard + mouse, or anything that is not a joystick. it is impossible. you would think they would just map the joystick to an analog stick on your controller. yeah. that would be nice. NOPE!

i bought Tie Fighter twice recently hoping to dive back in and was unable to play it both times. fucking ridiculous. if people were unable to play Super Metroid or Final Fantasy VI (both released the same year) on modern controllers, they would lose their shit.

 

[ZywyPL]

steam

You are forcefully nitpicking right now, let's keep talking about the WHOLE experience of a PC connected to a TV, not just Steam, shall we? Because sure, once you get into the games main menus already, especially with an XB controller, then it's no different than on consoles, I'll give you that, but everything else? And I mean just the simplest tasks like browsing the web, watching movies, listening to music, browsing photos, or even just the drives/folders? Not to mention some of PCs biggest games aren't even on Steam, good luck playing LoL, DotA or WoW with a controller. You have a tunnel vision on playing video games and playing video games only (and only from Steam to begin with), but that's not how any normal person uses his PC/laptop, let alone keeps it running permanently for months, you sound like you're addicted but that's none of my business/problem. And using PC just for gaming and nothing else, literally NOTHING else actually puts it into bigger disadvantage vs consoles, considering all the maintenance, troubleshooting etc. that is inevitable, basically inseparable. And the fact that you had to concentrate the whole experience to just Steam just further proves how bad of an idea it is to connect PC to a TV.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

power draw.

a console needs to work within a certain power draw and heat output. an Xbox One X uses 180W, PS4 Pro uses 140W, PS4 Slims 110W, Xbox One S 90W, Switch <20W. my PC has a CPU that can use <250W and a GPU that can use <300W. obviously means better performance. this is possible because PCs have far better cooling capacity compared to a console which is stuck in a small compact box with a fan doing all the work. my PC has 8 fans inside it.

it's alright saying consoles will have "a zen 2 cpu!!" or "raytracing!!!" or "RDNA2!!!". "8 CORES!!" ... yeah but it needs to be low powered to fit inside a console case and keep temperatures reasonable. that's just all architecture. a zen 2 cpu in a next gen consoles is NOT the same as a 3600, 3700X, 3800X, 3900X etc. consoles will most likely play at 4k 30fps next gen with very light raytracing effects. some games might hit higher framerates but resolution will take a hit. i really hope nobody is expecting 4k 120hz raytracing on console.....

yes, next gen consoles will be powerful but by the time you can actually buy/play them then they will be outdated. if the XSX came out today it would put a lot of PCs to shame but it's not coming out today. when it is out later this year PC will have much more powerful CPUs from both AMD/Intel and more powerful GPUs from both AMD/Nvidia. and that power has to last another 6-7 years. imagine where PCs will be in 6-7 years if they will already make consoles look outdated by the time they launch.

 

[GymWolf]

mmm let's see what pc does better than console:

-graphic options
-60 fps or more everywhere
-less pricey games also better sales and more free games (that are forever yours to keep)
-no paying for internet gaming
-real4k or just better iq than 4k on console (just look rdr2 on xone x and a pc to see the clear difference)
-mods
-better graphic
-amatorial traduction for games
-all multy games and a shitload of exclusives released first on pc (ok maybe not tlou2\cyberpunk tier exclusives but still)
-i can try early access games far before the console launch schedule (but console does the same with certain games)
-i can choose whathever controller or mouse\keyb i like without being limited
-with an ssd and a clean pc you can actually start to play before a console, i have to wait more than 2 minute from when i press power on my ps4 pro to get actually playing judgment or other games with slow beginning titles, rest mode helps a lot on consolles but i don't like keeping my console in rest mode to begin with (same with my pc, i alwasy turn off everything)
-upgradable hardware

and i'm surely forgetting something.
i still love consolles because they have the best exclusives for my tastes and there is always something special when you open a case and put the blueray inside the console for the first time but they are covered in dust for most of the times becuse 90% of games are multy nowadays and pc is the better place to play them.

i have not talked about console price being far cheap because i'm one of the guys ready to spend 1000 dollars for a monstruos console that has to endure 6-7 years of gaming so the fact that i can buy an already kinda old ps5 for 500 dollars is actually a downpoint for me.

 

[LazyParrot]

try playing any of the X-Wing or Tie Fighter games using a modern controller, keyboard + mouse, or anything that is not a joystick. it is impossible.

I remember playing playing X-Wing on my Xbox 360 controller using a custom JoyToKey profile someone created. That was years ago, though. Not sure if that's still available.

Edit: here it is: https://www.savingcontent.com/2014/08/09/guide-play-xwingseries-on-modern-pc/3/

 

[Deleted member 1159]

My current “generation” of PC goes back to the 90s. I still have save files from back then. Yes my hardware has changed over the years, but I’ve still got physical discs of DOS games and my Steam account goes back to when HL2 came out. I’ve got backwards compatibility pretty much forever. I decide when it’s time for more performance or what peripherals I want to use. PC is simply the ultimate platform in every way except price and simplicity, and even there it has achieved enough parity from being simple that it’s an insignificant factor. So if you have the disposable income, PC simply can’t be beat.

 

[Codes 208]

Self-optimization of the settings pretty much guarantees 60fps. Next gen consoles will likely continue the trend of higher rez, lower framerate.

All Console games are 100% optimized for the consoles hardware....

No cheaters thar ruin MP games on consoles...


because of this console wins every time for me.

Aim bots and modders exist on consoles too. Have you never played cod? Or h1z1? Or halo?

 

[Aidah]

You are forcefully nitpicking right now, let's keep talking about the WHOLE experience of a PC connected to a TV, not just Steam, shall we? Because sure, once you get into the games main menus already, especially with an XB controller, then it's no different than on consoles, I'll give you that, but everything else? And I mean just the simplest tasks like browsing the web, watching movies, listening to music, browsing photos, or even just the drives/folders? Not to mention some of PCs biggest games aren't even on Steam, good luck playing LoL, DotA or WoW with a controller. You have a tunnel vision on playing video games and playing video games only (and only from Steam to begin with), but that's not how any normal person uses his PC/laptop, let alone keeps it running permanently for months, you sound like you're addicted but that's none of my business/problem. And using PC just for gaming and nothing else, literally NOTHING else actually puts it into bigger disadvantage vs consoles, considering all the maintenance, troubleshooting etc. that is inevitable, basically inseparable. And the fact that you had to concentrate the whole experience to just Steam just further proves how bad of an idea it is to connect PC to a TV.

I just use a wireless mouse with a lot of buttons with shortcuts, and the on-screen keyboard when I need to type a couple of words. I find it very comfortable and great for everything you mentioned. A PC connected to a TV (especially these nice new TVs) is awesome, I actually find it way better than a console that can't do that much, and even when it does something it's really slow.

For M/KB play, a thin and light polished sheet of wood resting on my recliner's armrests makes for the perfect portable table. It's actually more comfortable than a chair/desk for gaming.

 

[jackets with pockets]

and i'm surely forgetting something

You forgot the most important one: The most innovation in games happens on PC. Entirely new genres and also graphics and hardware technologies have been and are still born on the PC side.

 

[M1chl]

I spent less than 1.200 this gen for PC hardware and i still had a better experience than someone who bought both a base and a pro/X console.

What is your build?

 

[ZywyPL]

Aim bots and modders exist on consoles too. Have you never played cod? Or h1z1? Or halo?

But it's no way in hell as common as on PC, there's nothing to compare here. Not only consoles are a closed environment as oppose to Windows where you can interfere into literally everything, so the amount of cheaters is incomparably lower, but the online gameplay sits behind a paywall, as oppose to PC where a once banned cheater can create a new account within seconds and continue the activity, over and over and over again, it costs him nothing. Basically you ban a cheater, two new ones show up, you ban those two as well, 3 new show up, and so on, it's a never ending story basically.

 

[Digity]

High end pc is also much more expensive than a console. Your gonna pay as much for a new top of the line video card alone as you do for a brand new console.

Plus you are still going to struggle with getting the controller to work no matter how much you pay. That’s a convenience console players always will have over PC

Struggle with controllers? My Xbox and PlayStation controllers are plug and play on my PC.

 

[Codes 208]

But it's no way in hell as common as on PC, there's nothing to compare here. Not only consoles are a closed environment as oppose to Windows where you can interfere into literally everything, so the amount of cheaters is incomparably lower, but the online gameplay sits behind a paywall, as oppose to PC where a once banned cheater can create a new account within seconds and continue the activity, over and over and over again, it costs him nothing. Basically you ban a cheater, two new ones show up, you ban those two as well, 3 new show up, and so on, it's a never ending story basically.

Modern games arent as plagued with modders in the same way they were a decade ago. I play a lot of games like fortnite and cod and it seems like in a very rare moon do i fight up against obvious bullshit.

And once a cheater is banned, its not so much they can set up a new account, but rather theyre locked completely out of the game they just bought as games are generally tied to their account. Most people realize this and choose not to waste their money. Yeah, youre right theres no paywall with shit like xbl or ps+, but services like steam and epic store will lock you out, forcing you out of the potential hundreds you just spent on your library.

 

[Aidah]

But it's no way in hell as common as on PC, there's nothing to compare here. Not only consoles are a closed environment as oppose to Windows where you can interfere into literally everything, so the amount of cheaters is incomparably lower, but the online gameplay sits behind a paywall, as oppose to PC where a once banned cheater can create a new account within seconds and continue the activity, over and over and over again, it costs him nothing. Basically you ban a cheater, two new ones show up, you ban those two as well, 3 new show up, and so on, it's a never ending story basically.

Things are heading in the crossplay direction anyway. Besides, I'd rather not play a multiplayer shooter than play it with analog sticks and loads of aim assist, hackers or not.

 

[Self High Five]

Yeah, on console you just take out the disc, pop it in and... wait for the required 50+ GB day one patch to download
Shit's already happening now, and it's only going to get worse from here on out. Physical media is on the way out, and there isn't much you can do about it.

And when does MS/Sony/Nintendo revoke the access to playing the disc/cartridge? Even if they choose to do so, if you stay offline, your game will always be playable.

Nice strawman as day one patches had nothing to do with my post (and it is optional which makes your reply even more irrelevant)

Besides, if some developer or publisher decides to shut down their game or yank it from Steam you can always get a free working copy... elsewhere. That even goes for huge MMOs with thousands of players like Warhammer Online or Star Wars Galaxies, where the official servers were shut down years ago, only to be replaced by fan-run ones. You won't ever see that on consoles.

I didn't mention Steam. I specifically referenced GFWL which you conveniently ignored for a reason. Fact is you're paying for DRM that you can't trade, sell forced to keep forever unless the storefront decides to revoke your privileges where you have to retrieve your paid content 'elsewhere'. The same 'elsewhere' of all those GWFL games that are unplayable.

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

Most games from the Win95 era and prior no longer work on PC unless emulated so I wouldn’t say that is exactly true.

Not true. If you want to you can install MSDOS and run those games just fine without emulation. Besides which...you can emulate on PC...so yes...that is exactly true.

 

[Deleted member 779727]

Has anyone ever built a game from the ground up for the RTX 2080? I'm not much of a gamer (ironic, I know), but other than higher res and fps (which are important) console and pc games look the same to me. I personally think Uncharted 4 and Forza Horizon 4 look better than most pc games.

I feel like we never got the most out of the GTX 1080 let alone the 2080, these cards could produce literal real-time cgi if put in the right hands. I've always wondered what Nvidia's gpu's could do in a closed box system like the PS5. Developers could squeeze every ounce of power out of them.

Or maybe I don't know what I'm talking about

 

[Codes 208]

Things are heading in the crossplay direction anyway. Besides, I'd rather not play a multiplayer shooter than play it with analog sticks and loads of aim assist, hackers or not.

Not to mention kb/m is already supported with several games on consoles, which should be a much bigger concern than a rare legitimate hacker.

 

[Aidah]

Not to mention kb/m is already supported with several games on consoles, which should be a much bigger concern than a rare legitimate hacker.

And even without official m/kb support, people still find a way to use m/kb on console to get a big advantage, which is even worse.

 

[OmegaSpear]

PC's are already for next gen. I looked yesterday on options to building a next gen pc. It costs 2.5k euros excluding the monitor/tv. Next gen consoles cost like 500-600 euros? That's the reason I'm not a pc gamer, it cost too must.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

PC's are already for next gen. I looked yesterday on options to building a next gen pc. It costs 2.5k euros excluding the monitor/tv. Next gen consoles cost like 500-600 euros? That's the reason I'm not a pc gamer, it cost too must.

You can build a perfectly good gaming PC for less than half of what you’re saying, and I noticed you don’t mention the console price excluding the TV...

 

[Knch]

Are you all that excited about a sequential number?

>3700 performance?! Doubt.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I’m gonna need some receipts on “greater than 3700 performance” claim

The CPU is gonna be a huge upgrade and I can’t wait for next gen but I haven’t seen it confirmed anywhere that we’re getting better CPU than Ryzen 3700, assuming that’s what you meant, but maybe I’m wrong?

 

[nkarafo]

What is your build?

i5 4670 and GTX 1060 6GB. I upgraded from a 960. Have this build since 2014 and its still going strong.

 

[diffusionx]

If I get a PS5, I'm not going to connect it online. I'll be playing whatever is on the disc. If the game isn't complete, that's all I'll have to play. I refuse to buy games online.

You should consider going old game only. I don’t like it either, but the future of gaming isn’t going to work for you. Don’t waste your money on a PS5, everything is going to be online bigly.

 

[Knch]

Plus you are still going to struggle with getting the controller to work

How is plugging it in and it works a struggle?!

 

[Revas]

My PC runs DCS World and Assetto Corsa/ Competizione in VR. Console's reliance on accessibility limits its value as platform for simulation, where the PC thrives. I tend to think PCs will always have an advantage at the high end in terms of graphics quality and framerate- but right now at the cusp of a new console generation they are probably fairly close to what most high end PCs can offer. Though that gap will only widen with time, as new PC parts release - AMD and Nvidia are apparently sitting on some pretty sweet GPUs.

Be happy with your consoles though. I will.

 

[DoctaThompson]

>3700 performance?! Doubt.

I’m gonna need some receipts on “greater than 3700 performance” claim

The CPU is gonna be a huge upgrade and I can’t wait for next gen but I haven’t seen it confirmed anywhere that we’re getting better CPU than Ryzen 3700, assuming that’s what you meant, but maybe I’m wrong?

It was never mentioned before. Just the console warriors that think because it's a 8 core, 16 thread cpu, it must be the 3700! Not realizing it'll more than likely be a laptop style chip, maybe 25 to 35 watts of power. No where near the power of a cpu that almost costs as much as the console. Not to mention thinking they are getting the equivalent to a $600 or more gpu. These guys are in for a rude awakening!

 

[fred]

Mods, better VR, free online play and I'm able to develop a game for it without needing to buy a dev kit, pay Submission fees or pay a platform holder for a licence.

 

[tflopsmatter]

You should consider going old game only. I don’t like it either, but the future of gaming isn’t going to work for you. Don’t waste your money on a PS5, everything is going to be online bigly.

Between games going online and so many games pushing liberal nonsense, I don't really know if I should buy a new console. I don't even know if there will be many games I want to buy if they all start pushing themes I don't agree with. I can't believe the social justice warriors have so much influence over gaming.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

Price, primarily. The cheapest RTX card is around $300, and by the time you stack on the other components necessary for a PC build it'll likely be a bit more expensive than the $500 or $600 the Series X will lkely cost.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Between games going online and so many games pushing liberal nonsense, I don't really know if I should buy a new console. I don't even know if there will be many games I want to buy if they all start pushing themes I don't agree with. I can't believe the social justice warriors have so much influence over gaming.

LMAO....quit reading forums and play some actual games

 

[MDSLKTR]

PC gaming is literally unstoppable like Thanos now. I'm expecting nintendo games (outside of emulators ofc ) this decade, at this point it's inevitable.

 

[LazyParrot]

Nice strawman as day one patches had nothing to do with my post (and it is optional which makes your reply even more irrelevant)

Yeah... optional. Keep telling yourself that. There are plenty of games releasing on consoles with content missing from the disc. There are even some that won't work at all. Anyone remember CoD WW2 locking the single player campaign behind a patch? The disc version of No Man's Sky releasing in such an unfinished state that the devs were begging people not to play or review it? Forza 5 releasing with cars and tracks missing from the disc all the way back in 2013?

Games are getting bigger and bigger, and disc capacity isn't keeping up. Somehow I doubt Sony and MS will go back to multi-disc releases, so this shit will only get worse next gen. Consoles are gonna end up exactly where PC is now. It's inevitable. You might still get your "physical release" in the form of a case with fancy cover art, but chances are there's gonna be a download code inside instead of a disc.