I struggle to think of how the Bernie Sanders campaign will be able to respond as to why they should continue their campaign once the 26th is over. Best case scenario is that they somehow win 2 states, most likely scenario is a sweep or 1 state. Pennsylvania and Maryland are two of the biggest delegate pots left. I think it is time to prop up Hillary Clinton and unite the base to get ready for the general election.
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April U.S. Primaries |OT| Vote in 20 Turns for World Leader
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Velcro Fly
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dude i follow on twitter retweeting all kinds of shit from bernie supporters about how he's still in the race and that it isn't over
not sure if he's doing it to be serious or just to troll
but some of the shit i see people saying is just mind boggling
my favorite might be
https://twitter.com/NYPrimaryGirl/status/722618184310722560
not sure if he's doing it to be serious or just to troll
but some of the shit i see people saying is just mind boggling
my favorite might be
https://twitter.com/NYPrimaryGirl/status/722618184310722560
On a local level, funding is much more closely tied to success, and a huge part of lobbying.
And even with the comparative success of Trump and Sanders, money is still intrinsically tied to presidential politics. Do you really think it's a coincidence that every person running is at least somewhat wealthy?
In an ideal system, a schoolteacher would have the same shot at the presidency as a billionaire TV star. But this isn't the world we live in.
That would be awesome, but not all that likely. Clinton and Sanders don't get along very well, even though him rolling down to VP could strengthen her campaign immensely, especially against Trump.
Prototype Viktor
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He could still do it! He just needs a landslide in California which is impossible because the state is not 90% white! He still has a chance
Dangansona
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If that is the general idea then yes you are right. I mean I don't see how it couldn't decide an election if a candidate didn't have a certain amount, but ~140,000,00 raised by Bernie is a lot of money.
I think what this election has surfaced as the next big deciding factor is media attention, and it is evident even more by Trump's success than it is Hillary's.
I've been saying this for awhile now, but Hillary supporters just don't care. Our votes don't matter to them. They're convinced that Bernie supporters won't vote in a general election anyway.
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I'm sure there are actually mind boggling tweets, but is that one really out there? Sanders has historically done much better with independents.
They got along pretty well early on in the campaign -- I don't think it's impossible to get back to that.
Big Baybee
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Hillary never said it's impossible, she wants to work within the system that was established with the ACA.
Aaronrules380
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Dangansona
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That doesn't seem relevant in any way to the tweet.
Alright, I'll just have to take your word for it. I'm sorry for what I said, then.
I've never really understood this logic. Replacing a good stepping stone with a more viable long-term solution for healthcare (ie an American NHS) is important and necessary. It's not an insult to the Obama legacy, but rather a continuation of it.
Primethius
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Someone tell me. Has Bernie won NY yet?
It's his home state right so it's practically guaranteed that he'll win.
It's his home state right so it's practically guaranteed that he'll win.
Now to have all those people switch to telling us how Bernie will win California.
metalslimer
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I've been saying this for awhile now, but Hillary supporters just don't care. Our votes don't matter to them. They're convinced that Bernie supporters won't vote in a general election anyway.
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I care about Bernie supporters who will continue to work to get congress and the presidency back in democratic hands. I don't give a shit about the people who will stay home or even worse vote for Trump. THere is too much at stake right now. Ultimately we do have the same end goals even if a lot of Bernie supporters think there is no way a Hilary supporter could truly be liberal.
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Aaronrules380
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I haven't actually looked at the specific tweet in question TBH
Dangansona
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Ah. It's about the number of independents who are unable to vote in the primary versus the number of democrats who did.
The sentiment is reasonable. Whether the numbers are accurate or not (B_dubs above suggests they aren't) I don't know because I am supposed to be doing graded math for college not election math lol.
BlastProcessing
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It's a connect the dots argument. By splashing out that much money on advertising Sanders is doing his part to raise the cost of doing business for every candidate in this race and in future races. As these costs continue to rise, candidates will be more and more incentivised to accept that dirty dirty lobbest skrilla.
It's not the biggest deal, but it highlights how Sander's is a part of the unhealthy system no matter how much he tries to separate himself from it.
People saying this are dumb, and wrong. Hillary will need to court our votes in the general, or her margins become a lot narrower.
The majority of Bernie supporters aren't going to do that, though. I wish I didn't have to repeat this all the time. We aren't voting for Trump.
Grover Cleveland
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Weekly reminder that the 2008 Dem primary was far more contentious than this one has been, yet the party still came together in the end.
A vigorous nomination process is healthy, not sign of the party splintering beyond repair.
A vigorous nomination process is healthy, not sign of the party splintering beyond repair.
Spiral Insanity
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What happens to remaining campaign funds if the campaign concedes?
gutter_trash
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oh it's true, it's damn true
BlastProcessing
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At least they will be well preserved.
I don't think there was the same level of sexism/racism on the Obama side toward Hillary that we are seeing from the Bernie Bros. Perhaps because Obama was winning.
And I agree with that. Though, too many times have I seen people paint Bernie supporters with a huge paint brush and lumping them all together. No, not all Bernie supporters are in denial. No, not all Bernie supporters are going to vote for Trump because they're sore losers. No, not all Bernie supporters are white males than couldn't care less about minorities.
It gets annoying hearing/seeing that over and over.
They're in full rant mode right now.
Dreams-Visions
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Bernie, you know how to find the door now, right?
Aaronrules380
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That's really dumb because the vast majority of those people would never vote (plus nothing stopped them from registering as democrats before the deadline. It's not like New York having a closed primary is a new thing)
Psychoward
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hehe, forgot about this thread and coincidentally just started this
Picked the enemy factions on purpose, China, Arabia, Russia and a whole bunch of South American/Hispanic civs
Picked the enemy factions on purpose, China, Arabia, Russia and a whole bunch of South American/Hispanic civs
StopMakingSense
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"They can donate an unlimited amount to a charity or political party. They can also, within limits, make contributions directly to other candidates. A campaign committee can give up to $2000 per election to each candidate. If the committee is converted into a political action committee, the limit jumps to $5000 but to be established as a PAC, the committee would have to be in existence for six months, receive contributions from 50 donors, and make contributions to five recipients."
I disagree.
I think that the divide between Hillary and Bernie supporters is much larger than you realize.
metalslimer
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When did I say the majority were. The polls show the few that won't vote for Hilary are small minority. It's more important than that. It's necessary to say politically active even if your guy didn't win. Congress is collectively even more important than the presidency this fall and there is at least a small shot of taking both parts. If Bernie bows gracefully out of this and works to unite the party he will have my respect.
Grover Cleveland
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If I remember correctly most of the animosity was going the other direction.
Hillary supporters towards Obama
Not that matters now
Loud vocal minorities amplified by the ever growing presence of social media don't represent the general mood of the party.
On either side.
Jimmy King
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That's just in regards to my lazy joke. I don't claim it to be the only issue, just that it is one of, and the perception of many.
InsaneZero
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The GOP must be extremely healthy right now then.
I may be incredibly myopic, but how common is Sanders bigotry? Besides cherrypicked tweets and Reddit comments, I haven't seen much racism or sexism coming out of that camp. While I'm sure that many so-called Bernie Bros may have made odious comments, I've never once encountered open misogyny in any of the Sanders-dominated circles I frequent. Same goes for the whole "I'm voting for Trump" thing. The majority of my peers are Sanders fans, but none of them would think of doing so. Even on the internet, our own Huelen10 is the only Sanders supporter I've seen who praises Trump.
GoldenEye 007
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Well the divide in the delegate count and popular vote certainly is a much larger margin than it was in 2007.
Well, that tweet was about the primary, not the general.
He talks about what socialism means to him all the time. Republicans call him a crazy socialist all the time. All the news agencies have had articles about how he identifies as socialist. You really think there's still a lot of people out there that don't know that? That seems like the first thing people learn about him.
Ah, I hadn't looked at the numbers. Wonder where they got them from.
I think Bernie ran a really fantastic race, and one that was better than anyone thought he could. His thinking is the future of the Democratic party. But after next week, I think it would be best if he suspended his campaign. It seems that Weaver seems to think that's what may happen, and if that's the case, good.
Either way, let's defeat Trump or Cruz (fuck 'em) and make sure Hillary picks a good, progressive VP.
Either way, let's defeat Trump or Cruz (fuck 'em) and make sure Hillary picks a good, progressive VP.
NullPointer
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Truth.
Look at who she's going up against. Then look again.
Politics is a marathon, not a sprint. People have to take their licks, learn from it, and plan for the next battle. Preparation takes time and Bernie didn't have it for this run.
It's real, but I agree it's small. Still worth addressing, but most of the misogynists/racists are already at home with Trump anyway. Bernie's comments on racism/sexism would turn them off.
Could it have an effect? Sure, but that'd only really work if there are a ton of people that will vote that don't know the first thing there is to know about Sanders. I never thought he'd get this far -- nobody thought he'd get this far. He's way more popular than anybody imagined he'd be, despite being labeled a socialist from day 1. And that's not just with Democrats -- he's even more popular with independents. I think it's kind of ridiculous to think that'd simply flip when this well known fact is brought up for the 1,001th time.
I don't mean from the campaign itself. I mean from supporters on the Internet.
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