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[HeisenbergFX4]

Can you layout the math for a year of COD on gamepass vs PS purchase?

$500 for the console, $80 a year for PS essentials to get online and $70 for COD vs $20 month X 12 = $240 plus every other games that comes with Gamepass.

So if you ONLY played COD yearly would cost you $90 more on Xbox so in 6 years you recoup your initial investment of having to buy a new console.

Unless my math is off

 

[Sooner]

Is that on playstation?

You going from only ever playing Xbox games to only ever playing PlayStation games?

 

[Shmunter]

$500 for the console, $80 a year for PS essentials to get online and $70 for COD vs $20 month X 12 = $240 plus every other games that comes with Gamepass.

So if you ONLY played COD yearly would cost you $90 more on Xbox so in 6 years you recoup your initial investment of having to buy a new console.

Unless my math is off

PS wins for COD purposes then for any newcomer.

 

[SirTerry-T]

Nope.
Next question.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

PS wins for COD purposes then for any newcomer.

In a weird parallel world where people would buy a console and play an annual release of a single game and nothing else. If that game were Call of Duty, then the Call of Duty console would have been on the market for years.

Essentially, that market doesn't exist. Even if you know some guys, or there's a streamer you watch. It's not a thing.

The value proposition of Gamepass for a single title doesn't make sense, but if you were considering it, you'd surely be tempted to play Doom, Halo, Wolfenstein as well? This whole thing is "yes, but ignoring reality, can we somehow construct a scenario where my preferred situation makes sense?"

 

[meech]

Have any of the Xbox only gamers decided to convert to PlayStation now that some of your favorite games will also be coming to PlayStation?

Next generation(2028) i will switch back to playstation.

 

[GHG]

Essentially, that market doesn't exist. Even if you know some guys, or there's a streamer you watch. It's not a thing.

Lmao.

In 2021, over [14?] million users (by device) spent 30 percent or more of their time playing Call of Duty, over 6 million users spent more than 70% of their time on Call of Duty, and about 1 million users spent 100% of their gaming time on Call of Duty. In 2021, Call of Duty players spent an average of [116?] hours per year playing Call of Duty. Call of Duty players spending more than 70 percent of their time on Call of Duty spent an average of 296 hours on the franchise.

Sony’s confidential PlayStation secrets just spilled because of a Sharpie

Confidential information includes how much Sony spends on games

www.theverge.com

There will be similar stats for all the major GAAS titles:




This is why most people who play games don't give a shit about gamepass and would rather stick to purchasing the couple of titles they play a year while spending the rest of their time in F2P titles.

 

[Kerotan]

You going from only ever playing Xbox games to only ever playing PlayStation games?

Yeah bro. Been Xbox only since the original.

 

[Shmunter]

In a weird parallel world where people would buy a console and play an annual release of a single game and nothing else. If that game were Call of Duty, then the Call of Duty console would have been on the market for years.

Essentially, that market doesn't exist. Even if you know some guys, or there's a streamer you watch. It's not a thing.

The value proposition of Gamepass for a single title doesn't make sense, but if you were considering it, you'd surely be tempted to play Doom, Halo, Wolfenstein as well? This whole thing is "yes, but ignoring reality, can we somehow construct a scenario where my preferred situation makes sense?"

Based on subscription numbers, gamepass seems to lack any meaningful traction in a world where f2p GaaS dominates. Proof in point, Xbox being absorbed by Activision business model and not the other way around.

 

[jm89]

 

[alabtrosMyster]

I've seen a few posters say it. When I say a few I do mean like 3 people.

Oh

This place is mostly flooded with sony fanboys.

Gaming is mostly Sony consoles... And phones, well PC too...

Anything except Xbox has significant number of gamers on it.

So, it's normal that you might feel that there is no Xbox love., few actual gamers picked that platform to play games.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Based on subscription numbers, gamepass seems to lack any meaningful traction in a world where f2p GaaS dominates. Proof in point, Xbox being absorbed by Activision business model and not the other way around.

What do you think the post I replied to was talking about? It looked a lot like you were comparing the costs of playing Call of Duty via Gamepass versus buying a playstation and the game and paying for online play there. Have I misread?

 

[Kydd BlaZe]

I will always own an Xbox as long as Microsoft keeps making them. It’ll mostly be a Gamepass box moving forward, but I vastly prefer the Xbox controller over dualsense and I’ve become an achievement hunter over the years so I’d still like to add where I can. My Xbox digital library is also pretty extensive. I’m deeply entrenched in Xbox’s ecosystem.

With that said though, I’ll be playing most multiplatform games and major releases on PS5 Pro (best version of the games available). I usually have a decent balance between Xbox/PlayStation gaming. Once I finally upgrade my PC, most of this will change though.

 

[m14]

Oh

Gaming is mostly Sony consoles... And phones, well PC too...

Anything except Xbox has significant number of gamers on it.

So, it's normal that you might feel that there is no Xbox love., few actual gamers picked that platform to play games.

Over 90 million Xbox consoles have been sold in the past decade, so you must have a very curious idea about what "few" means.

 

[Shmunter]

What do you think the post I replied to was talking about? It looked a lot like you were comparing the costs of playing Call of Duty via Gamepass versus buying a playstation and the game and paying for online play there. Have I misread?

Yes, you misread.

“PS wins for COD purposes then for any newcomer.“

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

PS wins for COD purposes then for any newcomer.

Newcomers yes I agree.

Switching from already owning an Xbox I would say not worth it

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Over 90 million Xbox consoles have been sold in the past decade, so you must have a very curious idea about what "few" means.

203 million PS4s and PS5s sold

224 million 3DS and Switch sold

Are you getting the picture yet?

Microsoft are happy to throw away that 90 million to put games on the 427 Sony and Nintendo platforms.

Do you get the picture yet?

Can you see why Xbox means squat to Microsoft now?

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Yes, you misread.

“PS wins for COD purposes then for any newcomer.“

And my point remains that if you only want to play a single title, paying for a subscription service that is marketed as offering hundreds of titles isn't something any normal person would attempt to balance against buying that single game, unless you were trying to find a way to make that service not make sense.

You don't count the seats that a motorbike has and the seats a car has and then conclude the car is a ripoff because it costs more and you only want to get to work and back, so the other seats are meaningless.

You wouldn't compare buying a star wars movie to a year of Disney Plus because it obviously doesn't make sense.

 

[m14]

203 million PS4s and PS5s sold

224 million 3DS and Switch sold

Are you getting the picture yet?

Microsoft will throw away that 90 million to put games on the 427 Sony and Nintendo platforms.

Do you get the picture yet?

Can you see why Xbox means squat to Microsoft now?

90 million isn't "few." The previous poster was incorrect in that statement.
And no, MS will not throw away those users, not when they are determined for Gamepass to succeed and are planning new hardware.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

90 million isn't "few." The previous poster was incorrect in that statement.
And no, MS will not throw away those users, not when they are determined for Gamepass to succeed and are planning new hardware.

By putting all their games on rival platforms they risk losing Xbox customers.

Loyal brand fanboys will stick with Xbox, the mass market (many of which will be upgrading to current gen once GTA6 comes out) will be dodging Xbox like a bullet.

 

[m14]

By putting all their games on rival platforms they risk losing Xbox customers.

Loyal brand fanboys will stick with Xbox, the mass market (many of which will be upgrading to current gen once GTA6 comes out) will be dodging Xbox like a bullet.

Xbox may also be hoping to attract customers to their platform by showing PS users what games are available on Gamepass.

 

[ManaByte]

$500 for the console, $80 a year for PS essentials to get online and $70 for COD vs $20 month X 12 = $240 plus every other games that comes with Gamepass.

So if you ONLY played COD yearly would cost you $90 more on Xbox so in 6 years you recoup your initial investment of having to buy a new console.

Unless my math is off

Just re-upped GP for another 3 months. Good until March 2028 now.

 

[64gigabyteram]

Computers remind me of work

This reminds you of work??

What job do you have, man??

 

[RetroGamingUK]

This reminds you of work??

What job do you have, man??

How did you get into my office?

Where’s the sofa and controller in this setup? Bad example to argue with.

 

[BlackTron]

This reminds you of work??

What job do you have, man??

Respect the man's opinion. He doesn't want to sit at a desk in front of a keyboard for both halves of the day.

And if you have a real job, using your PC on the TV to get right into a game is dubious. There's always a little friction and you may not be in the mood for it when you get home. Something as simple as reconnecting the stupid Bluetooth controller can do it.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Over 90 million Xbox consoles have been sold in the past decade, so you must have a very curious idea about what "few" means.

Most of them are used as door stoppers by now.

Also, we are 4 years in the current gen, Xbox sold about 30 millions... They sold under 60 since 2013 in the previous one (a lot of it being front loaded the night of release).

They have not sold 90 million consoles since then... Even accepting your math, their relative importance would be pretty low.

Sony: 190
Nintendo: 155
MS: 90
Total: 435

Less than 1/4th console gamers are on Xbox, that's assuming no overlap or anything like that.... Then there are the crazy numbers on steam.

 

[Humdinger]

90 million isn't "few." The previous poster was incorrect in that statement.
And no, MS will not throw away those users, not when they are determined for Gamepass to succeed and are planning new hardware.

Just a qualification - selling 90 m. consoles over a decade doesn't mean there are 90 million Xbox "users." Over the span of a decade, many of those purchases are from the same people - Xbox gamers upgrading from one generation's console to the next, or even within a generation. The same goes for numbers cited for other consoles. Sales over a decade doesn't equate to users. Users will be much fewer.

How many current, unique users of Xbox? Maybe 50 m.? Whatever the number, I agree that MS will not just throw those people away. That would be foolish. It's why they are producing next-gen hardware.

 

[64gigabyteram]

Respect the man's opinion. He doesn't want to sit at a desk in front of a keyboard for both halves of the day.

When I imagine work computers, I imagine a cubicle with some outdated desktop only useful for word processing and web browsing.

With the way that most people customize their computer setups I just don't see how people draw the comparison.
It's like hating your Corvette C7 because you drive a Corolla to work every day and the commute is stressful... not the same thing

 

[BlackTron]

When I imagine work computers, I imagine a cubicle with some outdated desktop only useful for word processing and web browsing.

With the way that most people customize their computer setups I just don't see how people draw the comparison.
It's like hating your Corvette C7 because you drive a Corolla to work every day and the commute is stressful... not the same thing

Actually your example proved my point.

Imagine your job is doing deliveries in a corolla or driving a taxi.

After 8 hours of driving, you have to deal with the peanut gallery mocking you for not getting into your Ferrari. You're tired of driving. You want to do something else. Learn to respect opinions.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

When I imagine work computers, I imagine a cubicle with some outdated desktop only useful for word processing and web browsing.

With the way that most people customize their computer setups I just don't see how people draw the comparison.
It's like hating your Corvette C7 because you drive a Corolla to work every day and the commute is stressful... not the same thing

My son has a very nice office and when not traveling he spends all day looking at his ultra wide monitor working on his pc and when he gets home the last thing he wants to do is deal with a pc to game on

It’s not so much about the environment it’s people not wanting to deal with windows and drivers and possible trouble shooting at home

They want to pick up the controller press the button and get into gaming

 

[saintjules]

Why would they do that? They can already play MS’s games on Xbox consoles, PC’s, and I can even play my favorite Sony 1st party title on Xbox, MLB the Show

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/timdog-the-legendary-elder-xbot-console-war-general-veteran-has-switched-to-playstation.1670186/page-6

 

[saintjules]

Lmao.

Sony’s confidential PlayStation secrets just spilled because of a Sharpie

Confidential information includes how much Sony spends on games

www.theverge.com

There will be similar stats for all the major GAAS titles:




This is why most people who play games don't give a shit about gamepass and would rather stick to purchasing the couple of titles they play a year while spending the rest of their time in F2P titles.

True or false?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

True or false?

Matt Pisscatella should be a banned source on this forum.

 

[lordrand11]

no. I mean ps5 pro.
PC vs ps5 pro is not only a money comparison. There are tons of non value reasons to choose one or another.
The guy own xbox and ps5. So he is into consoles, so why not get the best console

I mean, a PC can be connected up to a living room or other location TV and set to launch into Steam's Big Box mode if you want that same functionality only as a console. Just y'know, with better graphics, controller support, game support, access to games, free games (without having to sign up for a subscription including those given weekly/monthly), not needing to pay to play multiplayer online, ease of upgradeability, classic console emulation (including PSX, PS2, PS3, PSP, PS Vita to name the sony branch only), better deals on newly released games (I got MH Wilds for $57), and just an all around better platform to interact with friends and family on.

 

[GHG]

True or false?

The stats will be true, but his conclusions and ramblings not necessarily.

The hardcore gamers who buy 12+ games a year are more than capable of making up the shortfall that the millions of casuals who exclusively play a handful of GAAS titles create.

 

[th4tguy]

Why would they do that? They can already play MS’s games on Xbox consoles, PC’s, and I can even play my favorite Sony 1st party title on Xbox, MLB the Show

Why is the assumption that everyone has a gaming pc?
I would bet money that the majority of Xbox gamers don’t play any games on pc

 

[FalsettoVibe]

This thread is hilarious. Sticking to a brand because of loyalty is dumb. Play the games you like wherever they may be. I learned that the hard way back in the GameCube days as a Nintendo fanboy.

 

[ManaByte]

I would bet money that the majority of Xbox gamers don’t play any games on pc

I play a PC game every morning for 15 minutes for the rewards streak.

 

[SirTerry-T]

It's not the plastic box, it's the ecosystem and for me that's where Microsoft's offering wins out. That and my back catalogue...

 

[RetroGamingUK]

It's not the plastic box, it's the ecosystem and for me that's where Microsoft's offering wins out. That and my back catalogue...

Now you see why Sony is going to dominate this industry for at least the next few decades.

If people won’t leave Microsoft because of libraries I doubt many of the 200+ million PS4/PS5 owners will be tempted to go to another platform either.

 

[ManaByte]

It's not the plastic box, it's the ecosystem and for me that's where Microsoft's offering wins out. That and my back catalogue...

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Why would they do that? They can already play MS’s games on Xbox consoles, PC’s, and I can even play my favorite Sony 1st party title on Xbox, MLB the Show

Delusion. The average Xbox only console gamer is not going to jump to PC. They play consoles for a reason.

 

[ManaByte]

Delusion. The average Xbox only console gamer is not going to jump to PC. They play consoles for a reason.

It’s easier for an Xbox user to transition to PC than a PS user. With Play Anywhere a lot of their games already are on their PC

 

[RetroGamingUK]

It’s easier for an Xbox user to transition to PC than a PS user. With Play Anywhere a lot of their games already are on their PC

Another Microsoft mistake that killed Xbox.

 

[starfire1978]

Sounds like PC land. You'll never have all these things on one console.

I have all platforms. Consoles just are priority video game players. I can only hope. And you never know entertainment is always changing. My drums and dlc for Rockband 4 work on series X and it was said "never". Unjammer Lammy " just gotta believe"

 

[ManaByte]

Another Microsoft mistake that killed Xbox.

How fucking dare they not make you buy a game twice.

 

[balls of snow]

Have a soft spot for team green because of Halo 2 and Kotor duology. But them being pro 3rd party and console sales cratering means I bought myself a gaming pc and intend on selling my series x after my gamepass sub runs out in April.

 

[SirTerry-T]

Now you see why Sony is going to dominate this industry for at least the next few decades.

If people won’t leave Microsoft because of libraries I doubt many of the 200+ million PS4/PS5 owners will be tempted to go to another platform either.

Couldn't give a shit to be honest.
I enjoy video games but I don't lose sleep worrying about the fortunes of these huge multinational corporations.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Couldn't give a shit to be honest.
I enjoy video games but I don't lose sleep worrying about the fortunes of these huge multinational corporations.

The only people who truly care about those numbers are shareholders and warriors

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Because everyone wants to spend $250 a year to rent games that someone else chooses for them, right?

This is such an odd take. It’s not renting. In the same way that Disney +, Prime video and Netflix streaming aren’t “renting”. And it’s also got a huge selection of major titles on it. It’s honestly quite impressive. Highly unlikely you wouldn’t find a large number suitable to your tastes. No, it does not have every game ever released this generation. Obviously. But being able to play Indiana Jones without spending $70 and unsubbing and resubbing easily whenever you want, $20 one month, $20 four months later when something else goes up you want to play but perhaps not purchase… what’s the downside, exactly?