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[VinFTW]

The worst part about it is how expensive it is to stay up to date with this game.

Both previous expansions should have been like $5, TTK $20.

Don't know why so many people are okay with the pricing :/

 

[Chilled_Eskim01]

I love how when Destiny came out, and all the nay-sayers (myself included) called it an MMO shooter, and the Destiny crowed decried us as heretics or liars. Now that Bungie is showing how they treat their customers who refuse to pay for the expansions, and people are complaining about it, the Destiny community is like "well that's how MMOs work, just look at WoW"... Amazing.

I feel bad for the folks that purchased the game and don't want to, or simply can't purchase TTK for whatever reasons. Seems like Bungie doesn't care about it's customers too much if you're not willing to keep paying them.

 

[Jito]

The worst part about it is how expensive it is to stay up to date with this game.

I don't know why so many people are okay with shelling out this much money for the content at hand so they can play relevant stuff.

I'm glad I don't live in a world where £40 is too expensive. Do you buy like one game a year with your money out the penny jar?

People like buying shit they enjoy with their hard earned money, don't judge them for it because you don't like it.

 

[pantsmith]

If I want to go replay old missions or strikes etc I'm limited to either doing it at Level 20, making it way too easy, or I have to wait till I'm level 38 or 40.

If you are level 34, your weapons do the same amount of damage to every enemy between levels 1 and 34. The level 20 version of the strike is functionally the same as a level 34, save the fact that your melee and grenade continues to scale a bit more (I think - I don't know if anything changed with the rebalancing or focus on light score, though that shouldn't affect melee/grenade anyway)

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Not surprising...they did the same thing with the first DLC pack..

 

[Alebrije]

Lest hope MS does not the same with Halo 5, they have a great opportunity to join a lot of vanilla Bungie users due to this situation.

 

[AP90]

Good to see "the worst gaming purchase I ever made" actually continue to get worse. Quite a legacy of shit its built up, and the answer right now is "if you throw another $60 at it, its kinda okay now!!"

Shame its not actually taking a toll on their bottom line, but thats billion dollar marketing I guess. Aint nothing gonna stop that train.

This. Its just like WoW, you get people hooked/addicted,except blizzard never screwed people out of content they had already purchased...

But looking at it from another way, Destiny is a cheaper version of WoW in the sense that your yearly sub fee is going to be around $60-90 every year vs $180 for WoW I believe.

Glad I stopped playing as the dailies and weeklies just helped conceal the lack of story and content in the game.. I will admit that raiding in destiny was fun for a time, but that fading in time quickly.

 

[border]

Wow really? I never knew that. So the vanilla players that don't have any expansions are getting all the PvP maps and strikes from the expansions and are shitting on this game because they have less content in reality actually have more?

That's maybe a disingenuous way to put it, but people are definitely choosing to focus on a handful of modes that are altered/missing rather than acknowledging the multitude of things that have been added even for vanilla-level players.

 

[Krappadizzle]

I'm glad I don't live in a world where £40 is too expensive. Do you buy like one game a year with your money out the penny jar?
.

O, that's so great for you. We are all so happy for you.

 

[VinFTW]

I'm glad I don't live in a world where £40 is too expensive. Do you buy like one game a year with your money out the penny jar?

People like buying shit they enjoy with their hard earned money, don't judge them for it because you don't like it.

Holy hostile much batman.

Whether you want to admit it or not, these expansions are expensive as fuck.

lol poor people, amirite guys?

Spoiler

/s

O, that's so great for you. We are all so happy for you.

ikr?

 

[The Rain King]

The worst part about it is how expensive it is to stay up to date with this game.

Both previous expansions should have been like $5, TTK $20.

Don't know why so many people are okay with the pricing :/

Yeah. This is my biggest problem. They want £40 from me for this. That's like full game territory, when 80% of it still seems to be the game I already payed £75 for.

 

[Hellshingu]

This. Its just like WoW, you get people hooked/addicted,except blizzard never screwed people out of content they had already purchased...

But looking at it from another way, Destiny is a cheaper version of WoW in the sense that your yearly sub fee is going to be around $60-90 every year vs $180 for WoW I believe.

Glad I stopped playing as the dailies and weeklies just helped conceal the lack of story and content in the game.. I will admit that raiding in destiny was fun for a time, but that fading in time quickly.

You still have to buy the base game and expansions on top of the sub fee for WoW so your $180 a year is closer to $230 (based of WoD price of $50) granted you buy the new expansions when they come out.

Yeah. This is my biggest problem. They want £40 from me for this. That's like full game territory, when 80% of it still seems to be the game I already payed £75 for.

Can't argue with you there the pricing outside of the US is absolutely unacceptable.

 

[Cob32]

The worst part about it is how expensive it is to stay up to date with this game.

Both previous expansions should have been like $5, TTK $20.

Don't know why so many people are okay with the pricing :/

Remember when the developer said something about throwing money at the screen for new emotes? Bungie knows too well they can charge the prices they have and have it sell well.

 

[Frodo]

Well, I guess that just solidifies my decision to stay away from Destiny, and it even makes me go as far as to avoid anything from Bungie from now on if they continue with this model. I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt for future releases.

At this point, it should be a subscription model. At least it is much clearer what you are paying for. Locking people out of content they already had has no excuses, people. Stop trying.

 

[Jito]

Holy hostile much batman.

Whether you want to admit it or not, these expansions are expensive as fuck.

lol poor people, amirite guys?

Spoiler

/s

ikr?

If you were actually like poor poor, so poor that £40 for something is too much, I'd say re asses your priorities and stop buying video games. But I highly doubt that seeing as you post on a gaming enthusiast forum. This is more of a case that you don't see it as worth the money as you probably have no interest in Destiny what so ever and this is just another passing shit post.

O, that's so great for you. We are all so happy for you.

Thanks!

 

[//ARCANUM]

So I'm genuinely curious about this - is there cause for a class action lawsuit or anything? Is it written in the license agreement that they can remove content from the game you bought at any time? If that isn't listed, wouldn't that be grounds for a lawsuit?

 

[VinFTW]

Yeah. This is my biggest problem. They want £40 from me for this. That's like full game territory, when 80% of it still seems to be the game I already payed £75 for.

True, even worse for you guys :/

If TTK was $20, I'd have no complaints. I'd already be playing.

Remember when the developer said something about throwing money at the screen for new emotes? Bungie knows too well they can charge the prices they have and have it sell well.

Good point.

If you were actually like poor poor, so poor that £40 for something is too much, I'd say re asses your priorities and stop buying video games. But I highly doubt that seeing as you post on a gaming enthusiast forum.



Thanks!

lol, this is getting better and better. Please, tell me more on how I should manage my personal life.

 

[Chilled_Eskim01]

I'm glad I don't live in a world where £40 is too expensive. Do you buy like one game a year with your money out the penny jar?

People like buying shit they enjoy with their hard earned money, don't judge them for it because you don't like it.

I mean, how DARE someone be frugal with their spending! It's appalling to think that some of us expect to be able to play the game that we paid for, without having to pay extra just to keep that content! I am offended at the notion that some people may not have the available funds to purchase anything that they may want! /s

Come on, mate. Get off your gold plated high horse and realize that some people can't always by the newest toy in the window.

 

[pantsmith]

Remember when the developer said something about throwing money at the screen for new emotes? Bungie knows too well they can charge the prices they have and have it sell well.

$40 dollars for a traditional expansion - and thats exactly what this is - is entirely reasonable, provided there are enough changes and new content added. Which there are.

I won't argue that $20 dollars for the previous "expansions" was too much, but it sounds like even Bungie is eager to move away from that pricing structure.

 

[Hellshingu]

So I'm genuinely curious about this - is there cause for a class action lawsuit or anything? Is it written in the license agreement that they can remove content from the game you bought at any time? If that isn't listed, wouldn't that be grounds for a lawsuit?

No content was removed just the playlists were changed around to reflect the changes to the leveling system. Everything vanilla players purchased is still there and those without the expansions technically got more content in form of strikes and crucible maps.

 

[Krappadizzle]

If you were actually like poor poor, so poor that £40 for something is too much, I'd say re asses your priorities and stop buying video games. But I highly doubt that seeing as you post on a gaming enthusiast forum. This is more of a case that you don't see it as worth the money as you probably have no interest in Destiny what so ever and this is just another passing shit post.



Thanks!

So you say don't tell people what to buy with their money and then tell people what not to buy with their money. Do you even read what you type?

 

[KiefbladeMaster]

If you can still access the strikes via the map I don't see how it's 'locking' you out of it. Nightfall and Heroics are obviously going to be geared towards the new content for a while. I mean, I'm used to seeing this happen in MMO's frequently so this isn't that big of a deal to me. That and I already have TTK.

 

[border]

This. Its just like WoW, you get people hooked/addicted,except blizzard never screwed people out of content they had already purchased...

Except of course for that one time when they completely destroyed and remodeled the entire main world of Azeroth.

Or that time when they turned old 40 man raids into small group raids and bumped up the level cap on them so you had to buy the expansion to go into them. Good luck getting into vanilla Naxxramas or vanilla Zul Gurub.

Blizzard has pretty routinely revamped its world, and shuffled old content out the door.

 

[Moneal]

Yeah. This is my biggest problem. They want £40 from me for this. That's like full game territory, when 80% of it still seems to be the game I already payed £75 for.

So you are still paying less than every sub mmo out there a year, and thats without counting upgrading to the newest expansion every other year at 50 each.

 

[Jito]

I mean, how DARE someone be frugal with their spending! It's appalling to think that some of us expect to be able to play the game that we paid for, without having to pay extra just to keep that content! I am offended at the notion that some people may not have the available funds to purchase anything that they may want! /s

Come on, mate. Get off your gold plated high horse and realize that some people can't always by the newest toy in the window.

Tell me about the content you're locked out of then, plenty of posts in here explaining how you actually aren't and with the new update you're getting free MP maps and strikes.

lol, this is getting better and better. Please, tell me more on how I should manage my personal life.

Nah, you get one tip for free then the rest cost you, but seeing as I know you don't have even £40, jog on mate.

So you say don't tell people what to buy with their money and then tell people what not to buy with their money. Do you even read what you type?

Hey, he thought he'd share his wonderful wisdom of how it's too expensive, I thought I'd share some advice where if games are too expensive, re asses your spending maybe.

 

[meanspartan]

This is one of those weird situations where I am normally against these practices, but they just don't really bother me in this case.

You can't really play Destiny the "right" way if you don't keep up with the expansions. It's like complaining your car isn't working after refusing to get oil changes. It's just the nature of the DLC platform that Destiny is and has always clearly been. If you don't like it, then you probably should give up on the game.

Why would you want to keep doing old content when everyone else has moved on anyway? It's sort of bizarre to work hard and grind out for old ass gear.

That said, things like the Crucible other than new maps should NOT be affected. That part is ridiculous.

The WoW comparisons do end at some point though, because WoW doesn't really lock you out of old content if you don't buy new expansions. Of course, de facto, it actually does in practice. Because good luck finding 40 level 60s to raid molten core with you in 2015. You can just get one higher level person to solo it for you with you running behind, but that's hardly the "content" as it was meant to be played haha.

 

[//ARCANUM]

No content was removed just the playlists were changed around to reflect the changes to the leveling system. Everything vanilla players purchased is still there and those without the expansions technically got more content in form of strikes and crucible maps.

That seems contradictory to this statement in the OP:

"On September 14, anyone with a copy of Destiny could play a variety of crucible modes or take on the nightfall and weekly heroic strikes; as of September 15, they can’t."

Sounds like removed content, wether it's called a "playlist" or not, it sounds like something that vanilla players could play and then had access stripped away.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Pricing is such a stupid argument.. $40 for me is well worth it. Some posters will laugh at that price.

Considering it was the most downloaded game day one in PS history I guess it's just about right.

 

[Carl]

Well, I guess that just solidifies my decision to stay away from Destiny, and it even makes me go as far as to avoid anything from Bungie from now on if they continue with this model. I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt for future releases.

At this point, it should be a subscription model. At least it is much clearer what you are paying for. Locking people out of content they already had has no excuses, people. Stop trying.

So you're saying they should charge even more for it

 

[meanspartan]

Except of course for that one time when they completely destroyed and remodeled the entire main world of Azeroth.

Or that time when they turned old 40 man raids into small group raids and bumped up the level cap on them so you had to buy the expansion to go into them. Good luck getting into vanilla Naxxramas or vanilla Zul Gurub.

Blizzard has pretty routinely revamped its world, and shuffled old content out the door.

But in that case, you didn't have to buy an expansion to experience an entirely new and improved 1-60 leveling experience. Credit where credit is due.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Wow really? I never knew that. So the vanilla players that don't have any expansions are getting all the PvP maps and strikes from the expansions and are shitting on this game because they have less content in reality actually have more?

To reframe this a bit: no one lost access to content. What they lost access to was to how that content was contextualized into endgame activities. They can now progress straight to the level cap of 34, which is the max pre-TTK. Some of the DLC content is now unocked for them, in consolidated playlists. That makes it less flexible and so people lose some options. And if you enjoyed running the Nightfalls and Weekly strikes with the challenge modifiers on, then you can no longer do so. From one point of view, it makes perfect sense - those were endgame activities that were needed under the old leveling system, but no longer for year 1 players. On the other hand, they lose some options in how to run the content.

So they gain some content, and lose some ways with which they can run that content. I think the issue is a bit overblown, but still perfectly reasonable to be grouchy about, if you enjoyed running those activities.

 

[VinFTW]

I also want to point out to people saying this is cheaper than paying for traditional Sub-based MMO's that, with WoW, I haven't paid for a month of gametime since tokens were introduced.

Tokens = months subscription payable with gold (very easily obtainable amount in a month). I essentially have enough gold after playing for a month and a half for 6 months subscription. I'll probably not pay for a sub the entirely of the next WoW expansion.

 

[WrenchNinja]

$40 dollars for a traditional expansion - and thats exactly what this is - is entirely reasonable, provided there are enough changes and new content added. Which there are.

I won't argue that $20 dollars for the previous "expansions" was too much, but it sounds like even Bungie is eager to move away from that pricing structure.

$40 bucks would be reasonable if you didnt have to also fucking buy the past dlc

So maybe they should drop the fucking price of the previous expansions

They want to sell people on the taken king but you need to buy the other dlc to play it

It's fucking 80 bucks retail in canada: http://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00ZJ20YQO/

Expansion pass is $35 on psn and the taken king is $40: https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-ca/search/q=destiny

does this this still sound reasonable

 

[theSlacker]

Dang it, I thought it seemed weird that I couldn't find another way to level these reps. This is going to bug the fuck out of me.

 

[zelas]

lol, this is getting better and better. Please, tell me more on how I should manage my personal life.

You were literally just telling people how they should feel about £40 and discrediting anyone who didnt feel it was expensive as you felt. Are you trying to get a rise out of people?

 

[DNAbro]

That seems contradictory to this statement in the OP:

"On September 14, anyone with a copy of Destiny could play a variety of crucible modes or take on the nightfall and weekly heroic strikes; as of September 15, they can’t."

Sounds like removed content, wether it's called a "playlist" or not, it sounds like something that vanilla players could play and then had access stripped away.

Nightfall and heroic strikes were end game content. They were just harder versions of the strikes in the base game. Now the people who don't have can't do it because they can't get to the new end game. The Crucible playlists was most likely done to cut down on matchmaking times. I won't defend that one but that is probably the reason.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Looks like we have a line in the sand situation here boys and gals.

 

[CosmicQueso]

EDIT: Apparently stuff in the OP is wrong, but is still in the OP.

 

[Sojgat]

Loving TTK and think it was well worth the price.

It does make Dark Below and House of Wolves feel like even bigger rip-offs now though.

I'd gladly pay for an expansion of this size every six months, but the smaller DLC feel exploitative.

 

[PnCIa]

I wonder when this transition happened. Once upon a time, Bungie used to be kinda cool and community driven. Then the company turned into a shithole that just tries to squeze peoples wallets while making a half-assed efford to look like they actually care.

 

[DocSeuss]

Excellent, well-reasoned post.

Except for the part where legendary weapons are no longer purchaseable from vendors in the game without the DLC, endgame content has been altered so that players without the DLC cannot partake in them, and marks are no longer accessible.

It's a neat trick that Bungie's like "you can earn as many as you want," but then throttled the way we can earn marks--there's no more "go into a playlist and earn marks" feature now. Marks are how you got legendary gear. You can't get legendary gear any more.

The post is factually wrong.

As a TTK player I'm more irritated by the way they're all 'everyone can hit 40,' but 40 literally does not matter--what matters is light, and the redesigned light system's addition has only served to slow players down. Almost all my momentum has been killed by the game just refusing to drop me any legendary loot at all. I won't be able to raid on Friday because I'm unlucky--I can't do much to actually earn Vanguard marks to level up to do endgame activities. This upsets me.

 

[Jito]

This is not only really unfair, but a huge barrier in getting these players to upgrade.

Instead of offering a positive reason to upgrade with new/better/more with an upgrade, they're instead going with the negative taking things away unless people upgrade option.

That's not only bad for the players, but bad business too imo.

This is actually poorly worded and I pointed this out early to someone else, there's a new patrol mission that only TTK can partake I guess, the old "kill everything" missions still exists. Really this is just a case of people parroting information they know nothing about now.

I also want to point out to people saying this is cheaper than paying for traditional Sub-based MMO's that, with WoW, I haven't paid for a month of gametime since tokens were introduced.

Tokens = months subscription payable with gold (very easily obtainable amount in a month). I essentially have enough gold after playing for a month and a half for 6 months subscription. I'll probably not pay for a sub the entirely of the next WoW expansion.

Lol this is rich now, plays a pay monthly MMO, judges what other people spend money on, tries to justify it because you use coins now.

 

[Chilled_Eskim01]

Tell me about the content you're locked out of then, plenty of posts in here explaining how you actually aren't and with the new update you're getting free MP maps and strikes.

I never said that people were being locked out of specific content, but rather I was referring to the change of the meta game regardless of whether you purchased the expansion or not. Apparently the Strike Playlists are different, and the level requirements have been changed to reflect that. Some aren't happy with this, and so on and so forth... I honestly wouldn't know, since I dropped the game after reaching level 27. My original statements were more for how people may not want these changes, and how they may also not want to pay the extra £40.

The statement you've quoted me on is mocking your indignation towards those who may not want to, or might not even be capable of purchasing the expansion. I mean, how can someone in this day and age, someone who plays videos game no less, not have enough spare cash to simply go buy the newest thing, right? At least that's what you seem to think.

 

[Hellshingu]

That seems contradictory to this statement in the OP:

"On September 14, anyone with a copy of Destiny could play a variety of crucible modes or take on the nightfall and weekly heroic strikes; as of September 15, they can’t."

Sounds like removed content, wether it's called a "playlist" or not, it sounds like something that vanilla players could play and then had access stripped away.

The crucible modes are still there they are just consolidated into 3v3 and 6v6 modes most likely due to the smaller player base that hasn't upgraded. They can separate them again but it won't make much difference. The nightfall and heroics have changed mechanically and are endgame content for people at max level. Hurting players who have upgraded and are now max level by limiting them to the LCD will probably cause more of an "outrage" than this. The nightfall and heroics levels increased with each expansion anyways. I assume they can make "classic" versions of these just for the people who haven't upgraded but it seems like a waste of time and resources as they won't be able to get new items and will still be pulling from the same gear they have had access to for a year.

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

They will patch it, same way they fixed the weekly and nightfall for none dlc owners.

 

[Mupod]

Man, how far Bungie fell in such a short span of time.

Guess it was MS who was keeping from being similarly shitty with Halo...

they did very similar things with Halo 3's playlists. If you didn't own every map pack you were pretty much stuck to slayer and nothing else.

Anyways, pretty sure we already had a thread for this. But like I said in there, I fully expect Destiny to start adopting a model similar to Guild Wars in the future. People are paying 20 dollars for goddamn dance emotes, why bother charging for expansions at all.

 

[Hellshingu]

To reframe this a bit: no one lost access to content. What they lost access to was to how that content was contextualized into endgame activities. They can now progress straight to the level cap of 34, which is the max pre-TTK. Some of the DLC content is now unocked for them, in consolidated playlists. That makes it less flexible and so people lose some options. And if you enjoyed running the Nightfalls and Weekly strikes with the challenge modifiers on, then you can no longer do so. From one point of view, it makes perfect sense - those were endgame activities that were needed under the old leveling system, but no longer for year 1 players. On the other hand, they lose some options in how to run the content.

So they gain some content, and lose some ways with which they can run that content. I think the issue is a bit overblown, but still perfectly reasonable to be grouchy about, if you enjoyed running those activities.

Agreed. I guess I didn't really consider the old playlists "content" but I can see that people would be mad that they can no longer participate in them. As you said it makes perfect sense that they can't as those activities are end game content and the players who didn't upgrade are no longer considered to be in the end game. I am sure Bungie will patch something in for them to have in the next coming weeks.

 

[Karak]

If people didn't lose content where can they get all the equipment and stuff that looks like its now locked off. Is it somewhere else? And the Nightfall and Heroic strikes? It looks like they can't do that now?

 

[NullPointer]

I wonder when this transition happened. Once upon a time, Bungie used to be kinda cool and community driven.

Bungie was the first to sell mutiplayer map packs, weren't they? Halo 2 is the earliest one I'm aware of.

Those maps became free after a period of time though, which unless I'm mistaken (again), is something we really haven't seen until Destiny too.

 

[Seth Enosh]

This is not only really unfair, but a huge barrier in getting these players to upgrade.

Instead of offering a positive reason to upgrade with new/better/more with an upgrade, they're instead going with the negative taking things away unless people upgrade option.

That's not only bad for the players, but bad business too imo.

The statement you quoted is false. This thread is full of misinformation. Only certain patrols are Taken and they are clearly marked with a new icon so you can avoid it if you're a vanilla owner.

Not only that but the consolidated Vanilla playlists are including all the TDB and HOW strikes and PvP maps for free. So players are actually getting MORE content and this thread is framing it as if they get less.