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Destiny: The Taken King leaves behind players who didn't upgrade (Kotaku)
- Thread starter Anton Sugar
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Yeh I stand by what I said still, anyone moaning about not being able to keep up with Destiny because of £40 has to be paying for Live or PS+ as well (waste of money in itself, especially for someone with no money) The logic doesn't even add up, someone who is short on cash pays for online services to play Destiny? Get outta here.
And then there's the fact people feel like they need it now for some reason, if it costs so much just wait for a price drop in a while. Talk about entitlement, they don't owe you anything.
SkylineRKR
Member
I wish TDB and HoW were never released. They were dog shit and soured me on the game. Especially HoW stuff has been discarded way too soon.
I feel TTK is how they should've released this game last year. People are praising it because the base game was so underwhelming. I'm not going to cave. Might as well throw the game away, there is nothing left for non TTK owners.
I feel TTK is how they should've released this game last year. People are praising it because the base game was so underwhelming. I'm not going to cave. Might as well throw the game away, there is nothing left for non TTK owners.
LordBaztion
Member
I stoped playing right after the second DLC arrived, raids were just too difficult for me however I still enjoyed a lot nightfall strikes and doing daily missions and heroic strikes. My progresion was strange coins and Xur. With all the TKK media coverage I got interested on the game again but it seems I can't even play the strikes I used to enjoy at a decent difficulty, that pisses me off.
I'll wait for TKK DLC to drop price, still to much, not for the content offered but the value I think I'm actually going to use.
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SpideySenses
Member
Destiny has been the perfect podcast game for me, something where I can switch my brain off and listen to something whilst doing dailies and bounties with the hope that I'll get some new gear along the way. I'm in this weird middle ground where I play it semi-regularly and yet it doesn't make sense to spend more money on it, I guess I can still keep doing bounties and leveling up to fill my vault with level 40 gear for when it becomes accessible (which I'm sure it will).
joecanada
Member
It's not just that it's people who feel they didn't deliver in the first place. I paid 99 dollars for LE day one and I'm still waiting for my 99 dollars worth. In no way am I going to hand over another 40 dollars or even 20 for stuff that should have been there day one for 99.....
but it makes my decision to move on easy.... play something worth my time, and to buy their next games used (with the dlc of course)
Hellshingu
Member
Someone has to buy Tokens though for you to purchase it. It is pretty much the equivalent of someone buying a lot of gold for $20. It is nice though for people that play a lot to save some money.
RichiRamjag
Member
I play vanilla pvp and I wasn't in a hurry to update, not I kind of have to as I can't stand playing clash and I have no choice thanks to the playlist setup.
MrS
Banned
DeeJ's alt?
Didn't buy TTK because:
1) HoW was dog shit
2) Can't stomach giving £40 to Bungie when the game is $40 in USA
3) Don't want to deal with the obnoxious fanboy community (aka Bungie Defence League), here and elsewhere, who won't have a bad thing said about Destiny despite all of the evidence that shows that the game is pants and Bungie are awful
Best to move on and find something new to play
This seems to be drip pricing to me. Quoting a price for a product and then incrementally adding fees for that product when the consumer has limited purchase choice not only limits competition (how can you compare products) but is also coercive.
It is prohibited in several jurisdictions and industries. Bungie is making a good case for legislation regarding drip pricing and gaming (especially with the dramatic success of the title).
It is prohibited in several jurisdictions and industries. Bungie is making a good case for legislation regarding drip pricing and gaming (especially with the dramatic success of the title).
Bolivar687
Banned
This just reinforces how little Bungie appreciates the value of their consumer's money.
Most of all those who spent $100 a year ago whose only option to stay on is another $40.
Most of all those who spent $100 a year ago whose only option to stay on is another $40.
True!
Like I said, examples on all platforms. I guess the base cost of most games on PC is less which makes it not as bad, unless you buy full price on Origin/Steam...
MrS
Banned
Just adding my 2 cents as others are. It's not that I hate the game, I just dislike how Bungie treats their fans with regards to DLC and pricing which makes me resent the game. Crucible is shite though IMO.
Are people really justifying this?
It doesn't matter if you "shouldn't" be playing the vanilla game any more with TTK out, they shouldn't be gutting the vanilla game of its content, even if TTK does make most (all?) of it useless - It won't be useless to them, because they don't have TTK. People bought a game and now Bungie has just wiped out half the content that came with it.
Really shitty thing to do.
It doesn't matter if you "shouldn't" be playing the vanilla game any more with TTK out, they shouldn't be gutting the vanilla game of its content, even if TTK does make most (all?) of it useless - It won't be useless to them, because they don't have TTK. People bought a game and now Bungie has just wiped out half the content that came with it.
Really shitty thing to do.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
I haven't finished the DLC yet
Half the content? Jesus Christ.
RichiRamjag
Member
Much agreed, I can't believe folks are defending this. I've got quite a bit of time into the game and I still didn't really want to rush and upgrade and while I have the money, I still find myself annoyed as hell that they could not have at least kept separate playlists for vanilla modes, especially in pvp.
Exactly. Everyone expects expansion packs to splinter the user base or the multiplayer to be shut down eventually, but it is a different thing for it to keep going and shut you out of features you could previously access.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
I think the core of Bungies team is very different now than it was for Reach.
Kun Aguero
Member
Destiny is a money grab, pure and simple. Every 3 or 4 months they release DLC, hype the fuck out of it and if you don't buy it you get locked out of all the end game content. This shit has been going on since TDB,
SlipperyFishes
Banned
And conversely some people might have fallen on hard times in the past year making that £40 a bit harder to justify. Stop being a jerk where it isn't warranted.
Ragged Gloves
Member
It goes back to Bungie creating Destiny out of design to look outside of game to group up with others. From that, a player friends list grew.
Thing about MMO's, its the community that can make or break a game. They have match making and actual guilds they can join to keep the game going and the player playing. What we have in Destiny is a community that we the players built ourselves; players we added to our friends list. Destiny Friends.
By now, most players should have a Huge list of Destiny friends and may not need to look "outside" of game anymore.
You trying to help a player out with a strike and experienced an issue with match making is of concern and that you think Bungie is trying to avoid having old content suffer from bad match making? Sounds like it will be difficult coming in new to this game with already established players, more so then it was in the beginning.
Hope Bungie can sort whatever new problems out.
So what should Bungie do, head down to the homeless shelter with copies of TTK for everyone?
I mean, everyone assumed it was going to MMO like in structure at the start right? People had to know at some point that new content would be released that made the old stuff obsolete and they'd have to move on eventually. The only thing that's a bit of a surprise is removing the control playlist which does suck, everything else is expected as the endgame has moved beyond the old level cap, it's impossible for those players to even play the endgame without TTK.
Disclose up front that continued use of advertised features will require additional payments or have separate playlists (rather than bury it in boilerplate). Just be honest about what they're selling. That's not too much, is it?
Literally every single Crucible gametype you could play before is still available. Salvage is even permanent now for Vanilla players.
So let me get this straight.
When vanilla Destiny launched, players were like "Bungie, you screwed us players with a product of lackluster content"
The Taken King fixes the faults of Year 1 Destiny and now players are like "Bungie, you screwed us vanilla Destiny players, we want the lackluster content back!"
When vanilla Destiny launched, players were like "Bungie, you screwed us players with a product of lackluster content"
The Taken King fixes the faults of Year 1 Destiny and now players are like "Bungie, you screwed us vanilla Destiny players, we want the lackluster content back!"
Shining Sunshine
Banned
That couch analogy...
Nope.
1) Individual content, story aside, was largely good
2) the biggest problem was that there wasn't ENOUGH content
3) the addition of The Taken King REMOVES/INHIBITS some of the content.
So: a game with not enough content now has less content unless you fork over a minimum of $75--$40 for TTK and $35 for the Season Pass.
Now out of reach: Nightfalls, Weeklies, at least two patrol types, various bounties, Legendary gear, etc have all had their goalposts moved so they're no longer obtainable.
Bungie didn't classify it as an MMO and certainly didn't state there was a subscription fee. Their unwillingness to explain what their product is (maybe they didn't have time for that) through a label or pricing model is the problem. The consumer can't make an informed purchase.
Doctor West
Member
Bungie has never been clear or honest with this game. This is nothing new nor surprising. They lock you out of content so you are forced to buy their DLC. Their shadiness leading up to TTK was the final straw for me. Haven't touched it since and am glad that I bailed on this trash. Not everybody wants to dump over a hundred dollars into this game, but they force you to otherwise you are left with less than what you originally paid for. This should have been a monthly subscription.
Over the last year they've made it perfectly clear that you'd need to have the latest DLC to keep playing the up to date weekly content. Same with this DLC release. What were your thoughts when TDB and HoW did the same thing?
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
This sure as hell isn't going to get me to try the game again though.
Imagine Bungie accepted the launch version was unfinished and offered TTK free as it finally fixed the flaws of V1. Would people complain?
But they didn't. Instead they redesigned the game you bought that they told you wasn't an MMO to further reduce your content from launch and basically put new content front and centre everywhere and charge for the fixed version of their previously full price at launch game.
So I suggest you insert into your summary the point they're pretty much demanding you buy all the DLC if you want the fixed version, because omitting that little fact renders your point invalid as it ignores the true situation.
The argument is they're essentially forcing purchase or reducing the already paltry content which is certainly not the simple improvement you imply.
For myself while tempted to get the TTK because it looks pretty good and I've overall enjoyed Destiny I'm now thinking of just shelving the game. The whole title now has a very nasty aftertaste going back to Bungie bending over to tell consumers the game wasn't an MMO then basically pursuing a worse MMO model than most MMOs that pretty much demands you buy expansions or find yourself with less and less to do with the game you paid full price for than the day you bought it.
It's shitty and it's even shittier anyone would defend it.
Gold_Loot
Member
So let me get this straight.. Players with the vanilla version are going to miss out on one weekly nightfall strike ( basilcly a "hard mode" version of a strike that drops the same year one loot you can vet everywhere now ) and people are calling this..
- Cut content
- Bungie locking out old content
- people wanting Bungie to warn players that they will be "locked out of content they paid for" ?
Really people? Am I reading this right? Over a Hard mode playlist that you can access any time you want?
My I ask what exactly you're being locked out of?
What is it with this game that brings this forum down to middle school level?
- Cut content
- Bungie locking out old content
- people wanting Bungie to warn players that they will be "locked out of content they paid for" ?
Really people? Am I reading this right? Over a Hard mode playlist that you can access any time you want?
My I ask what exactly you're being locked out of?
What is it with this game that brings this forum down to middle school level?
This is false. None of the content was removed. Difficulty settings were changed, and you have less options there, but all of the content is the same. (Yes the numbers have been modified for said content, but it's all the same base content; and yes, they probably have the ability to fix this.)
Any vanilla player that hasn't bought any DLC:
Can level from 1-34. (An increase from 1-20)
Crucible:
Gets to play all the DLC EXCEPT TTK maps and exclusive modes. There are fewer playlists at a time, but those playlists are going to continue rotating just as they always have.
Vanguard:
Gets to play all the DLC EXCEPT TTK strikes. There are also fewer playlists.*
*Note: The older harder difficulty ones were reserved for people trying to get the top end gear who were already at level cap. Even if you were to get 200 legendary marks as a level 34, the only thing you could do with them would be upgrade gear by sacrificing better gear. (Not sure how this could work without being able to get better gear to sacrifice.) -- All gear you can purchase from vendors (at the tower last I checked after Sept 15th launch) is level 40 which you wouldn't be able to equip, even if it lets you buy it.
I'm not defending any of this. But I am tired of people spouting false information about it; and lighting the torches over misinformation.
geordiemp
Member
This thread, how many posters on here with outrage
1. Actually play destiny at this moment, like this week....
2. Play only the vanilla game
I could count them on one hand I bet. In fact if I looked up your destiny account, bet its 1 or 2 genuine posters. The rest, well, you know...
Also the amount of posts about the game now, Taken King, from posters who have not played it...wish I could review games I have not played...
Also how can posters mention good or bad value for a game they have not played...Really ?
Amazing, destiny really is love or hate...
Also all content is there, difficulty levels such as nightfall modifier is not because the end game is now 40 and Taken king.
Posters that complain about UK vs US pricing I sympathise, £ 40 is not fair for UK.
1. Actually play destiny at this moment, like this week....
2. Play only the vanilla game
I could count them on one hand I bet. In fact if I looked up your destiny account, bet its 1 or 2 genuine posters. The rest, well, you know...
Also the amount of posts about the game now, Taken King, from posters who have not played it...wish I could review games I have not played...
Also how can posters mention good or bad value for a game they have not played...Really ?
Amazing, destiny really is love or hate...
Also all content is there, difficulty levels such as nightfall modifier is not because the end game is now 40 and Taken king.
Posters that complain about UK vs US pricing I sympathise, £ 40 is not fair for UK.
I only play a monthly fee MMO because I don't have to pay a monthly fee anymore, lmao. And I never judged, I was curious if other people thought it was expensive too, which people are. I'm sorry people are getting offended by your opinions, don't have to twist logic to achieve controversy :/
"discrediting anyone", all I said was I don't know how people aren't more upset with the pricing, not "you should be upset with the pricing". Was wondering if I was alone on thinking that its very expensive for an expansion, and as you can see by the replies, I'm not alone. So, yeah? Seems like you're trying to get a rise out of me.
Good point. I do think that some people, like w/ Destiny, feel it's worth the price of admission (either monthly fee or TTK), and for those of us that can't really afford every expansion for the price their asking or monthly fees, it's a nice alternative. All I know is I just purchase a token for gold whenever my sub runs out. It's quite nice to experience content for basically nothing.
I feel like an ass sometimes for complaining about the US pricing, when across the pond they're REALLY getting screwed :/
I was disgusted and sold the game. They made the conditions clear AFTER purchase. This is drip pricing and seen as consumer unfriendly for good reasons.
Maybe an example will help. A person has $60 and wants to buy a game in October 2014. They are considering Destiny and Driveclub. Both are known to have additional content that you need to pay for and both are known to be largely online games. They're trying to figure out which one to purchase. If they read the box and available descriptions of the products, they're actually not going to be able to make an informed decision because Destiny doesn't spell out the costing plan unlike Driveclub (see circular chart for season's pass and content through to June 2015). That lack of information hurts at least two parties.
1. The consumer - they don't know that they'll lose access to some strikes when TDB hits and so aren't able to make an informed choice.
2. The competitor - Evolution isn't able to make all the promises of Bungie because they are only offering what people pay for.
If widespread, that hurts trust in the marketplace and willingness to purchase.
geordiemp
Member
Shhh, remember they cannot moan about story now, or defend against 3 waves while your ghosts scans...so its all aboard whatever next
Krappadizzle
Member
I have 3 maxed out different classes characters. I don't have any of the expansions. If I wanted to go back and play what was there when I left when I payed $60 for the game on launch I should have this choice. It doesn't matter if I play it now or next month. I should have the content I payed for when I want. What's so hard to grasp about that?
geordiemp
Member
I am UK, I paid and I found the last 20 hours play time its great value.
What is your perspective, have you played it, is the content more than a £ 40 shooter from others ?
Or are you just here to stir it up ?
I just dont believe hardly anyone was genuinely playing Vanilla destiny last week, I really dont, and normally most shitposts are from either lapsed players who dont know how much better Destiny is now and are repeating year old stuff, were not planning to play it except for this thread.....or worse never even played it.
Quite. Defenders really working hard to ignore the core issue because we should all have know better when Bungie declared before original release the game wasn't anything like an MMO and didn't mention a peep we'd eventually need to buy two expansions whether we wanted to or not so we could then buy a third expansion that we should welcome with open arms because it now fixes the game (as an aside what's ironically amusing is most seem to agree it does fix the game which also pretty much means most are by extension agreeing the full price launch title was broken at least to some degree).
NegroNinja
Member
You shouldn't have to feel like your shopping for car insurance when you buy a video game.
Except you do, and if you were vanilla, and haven't played since 2.0 (Sept 8th) you can actually get to 34 on all of your characters.
What content other than nightfall and heroic (which is the same strike content) have you lost? I contest this isn't lost content: You can still hunt down Y1 exotics, and continue to get rewards by doing this, but due to a bug there aren't rewards for the legacy playlist.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
You would be getting fleeced too if this was available on PC so your comment makes no sense.
civilstrife
Member
This is Bungie's MO at this point. And why I stopped buying their games after Halo 3.
Dreams-Visions
Member
The only thing more disappointing than these clearly anti-consumer practices is the number of GAFers defending it and hand-waving it.