Skifi28
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I watch it for the plot.
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viveks86
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Rush2112
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So the head dev is back pedalling HARD on social media. “Oh we never said we were anti-woke” and “oh we just want to ‘make video’ games’ (i love that one). This guy saw how successful the first game is and now is trying to go mainstream. So now it’s time to take off the conservative mask and put on the ‘professional dev who just wants to make video games’ hat instead. Good to see how quickly success can change people.
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LectureMaster
Gold Member
Came across a review mentioning the allegedly gay scene:
Hopefully this makes everyone happy.
Hopefully this makes everyone happy.
coachmcguirk91
Member
As a game studio, you don't want be known as woke or anti-woke. It only hinders your studios bottom line when you engage in such a dialogue. Vavra finally understands that
As a side note, there is nothing like a KCD game. If this game somewhat blows up, it could shake up the industry in a profound way, imo
Goalus
Member
If the review reads as if it was written by a lunatic, it makes sense to look for reasons. The reviewer's looks is often a good indicator to draw further conclusions from.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Seeing the plat is around 200 hours... 
But game looks awesome overall
But game looks awesome overall
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Being anti-woke is just as detrimental as being woke, especially for an historic title. It's taking a stand on modern issues and you want neither in your game.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I hope this game does very well. The devs deserve the shine. First game was damn good even if a slight bit rough around the edges. I love the improvements to combat that were necessary but adapted well to the first game. This is going to be epic.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
So it's basically like most other RPG's that have different sexual oriented relationship options. Great. Is Grummz tearing out his remaining hair over this?
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
That's awesome news! I'm sure that makes it way better for the crowd that hates this kind of thing
TerribleAtThisGame
Member
This is one if the funniest moments of television ever filmed. It starts with the dude looking like a bad character creator preset of a black man and just keeps fucking delivering.
If that dude put as much effort into game development as he does into being a complete embarrassment then he'd make the greatest game of all time.
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
I thought people were saying they "don't want politics in games" and just want to play good games untainted by contemporary BS and culture wars? Isn't this exactly that? Do game creators now have to be a mirror image of progressives, be conservative, and start pushing for their own brand of politics?
Personally, I like Vavra's stance.
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The Chairman
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pudel
Member
I dont like it, I dont hate it. If Vavra would have kept the same stance as he had for the first game, I would have been totally fine with it as well. Still would like to know what made him change his mind. He never gave a reason for it.
Gonzito
Gold Member
Agreed, both sides are equally bad. Not every single thing is woke either, these guys have proven themselves to be radicals in their ideologies against wokism. Extremes are never good
Something in between these two sides is the right way to go imo, wokism and propaganda is bad, but this doesn't mean we cannot have homosexuality or even certain ideologies, as long as those are well written and represented without trying to lecture me about how I have to think. Being subtle with these subjects is the best way to tackle them
Like I said many times before, some of my favorite videogames had gay characters and it wasn't a big deal, Mass Effect comes to mind. The issue is when these activists are trying to insert themselves, and making the game all about their message, instead of making a fucking videogame
Denton
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Bojji
Member
Optional gay romances were in most rpg games. I don't know why people were so triggered by this.
Hudo
Gold Member
Do it. I take responsibility and accept the ban on your behalf.
Senua
Member
People are idiots
BouncyFrag
Member
Gonna be listening to this when I pick it up later.
MMaRsu
Member
Because he's a pathetic Snowflake. His reviews also suck ass
amigastar
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pudel
Member
I usually just hear him ranting....but this game was different somehow.
Negotiator101
Member
Were? What was the first game to have these options for romance?
MMaRsu
Member
Well here's a list of games that have them
But yes game like Fallout, Jade Empire etc and many more rpg's in the past have featured these options.
Its obvious you might have missed them if you do not engage with its similar to kcd2.
Hugare
Member
Fallout II in 98 was the first one, I believe
But I think Mass Effect trilogy was the first most popular one
Negotiator101
Member
Thanks, it's not a big deal then.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Maybe the "infiltrate in a monastery" quest is still there, but it's full of nuns this time around?
ValiantInstance
Member
He's always struck me as a bloke who likes the sound of his own voice. He's also a KCD fanboy so he's being called out in the comments for giving them a pass.
No mention of the Malian scholar who tells the backwards Europeans about how much better they treat women in his country.
Here's the livestream if anyone wants to see it:
TerribleAtThisGame
Member
I bpunced off the first one hard and can't remember why exactly. I'm still willing to buy this one though, the concept is too cool. I like the whole idea of being just some dude in the middle ages. No dragons and other bullshit.
Aguero9320
Member
Because it gives them tingly feelings 'down there' that they don't want to face up to I think... No other reason to object as much as they do. To role-play the character, they doth protest too much.
He didnt change his mind. during the development of the first game he said 'fuck off, I'm making the game I want' and people at the time assumed his stance and decision-making was born from being on the side of gamergate, rather than just wanting people to shut up and stop giving him stupid, irrelevant critisism.
His stance on this one is also 'fuck off I'm making the game I want'
Nothing has changed between the two - except for people's interpretation of his actions. His actions look very consistent. His stance with the first was that it was very unlikely for someone like henry to see black people in that part of bohemia. Now the scope of the sequel is larger and there is one, who is a traveling merchant.
The inclusion of gay romance and a single dark skinned character does not mean that if the first game had a higher budget and much larger city that he wouldn't have also added those things there. It just didn't happen, it was a Kickstarter funded game on a shoestring budget. And including those things doesn't make a game 'woke'.