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SFV R. Mika default costume was deemed too revealing by ESPN
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SFV threads are always classic
If the modifications to the defaults are too severe, they can just add more conservative costumes. For example, Rainbow Mika can get her Alpha costume as her Nostalgic Costume, while Cammy's CPT costume can easily be used as her more conservative outfit
Reverend Funk
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I enjoy smut as much as the next guy but its obvious that if capcom really wants to attract a wider more casual audience they need to tone down some of the designs.
UserDoesNotExist
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Hell, if anything Laura is wearing too much clothing for a Brazilian girl.
I mean here, it seems like you basically agree -- the costume might be inspired by flashy wrestling costumes but it's on another level in terms of physics-defying cuts. It's almost like the difference between a bikini bottom and a g-string -- it's just weird when people pretend or even honestly can't see the difference.
I called DoA softcore porn, but I didn't call SFV softcore porn -- but SFV is certainly borrowing elements from games that are primarily about sex appeal, like DoA. And you can argue semantics about what constitutes "softcore porn" but it's pretty undeniable that DoA's main feature is the sex appeal. I agree with you later when you say SFV is trying to have it both ways. I don't really think it works.
Again, you're misreading what I said. I said SFV presumably wants to be taken seriously beyond the softcore porn niche, which I do not consider that to be SF's niche -- SF was never DoA. Capcom has also signaled, on multiple occasions, through both actions (the "censorship" people throw fits over) and very clear statements, that they do want to reach a larger audience. It's also worth pointing out -- that's different than making a game that appeals to everyone, so try not to conflate those two.
I'm not convinced that pointing out that comical boob bouncing and excessive panty shots exemplify 14 year old sensibilities is an insult.
I think this is a very tribalistic way of looking at things. I don't think it's healthy to look at it like two opposing teams. I'm 100% for esports being shown on sports networks. I think video games do have, to some degree, an unfair stigma. But I think it's still important to be critical of things I like. Part of that negative stigma is unfair, but part of it is earned. Games are not infallible and I don't think it's smart to jump to the defense of games unconditionally. An important part of combating that negative stigma is to improve the games themselves. We can't stubbornly refuse to grow up as an industry.
I think it's fallacious to assume SF has risen to this point because of the fanservice. I think it's much more reasonable to assume, instead, that it has risen in spite of it. This isn't the first time ESPN has shown a video game on TV -- fighting games are actually lagging behind other genres and I think their art direction has definitely held them back.
ScriptedReality
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Good god... Capcom knew what they were doing when they made Mika that thick.
Raging Spaniard
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Thats up to you. The butt looks like a swimsuit, but the boobs are out there, man
DryEyeRelief
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What's obvious about Mika? Most people don't even get her nationality right.
Would be better to say "these developers made breasts who does not work like breasts and women who does not wear stuff that women who have big breasts wear while doing physical activity showing that they either did not made any research about how breasts work or did not care about what they show so much to care about" ?
Or you can read like "capcom could make a switch to enable or disable certain costumes so that everyone have fun"
But the best course would be SHOW SOME FUCKING DIVERSITY WHILE CREATING FEMALE CHARACTERS then everyone will get fun since diversity DOES MEAN sexy characters.
Good Job Bob
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Aren't you a Poison fan? What makes Laura's story mode outfit so much more unacceptable for you than Poison's default?
Sorcerer Supreme
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this platy guy has to be a troll right?
DeepEnigma
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For an example...
I present to you, how it usually looks watching Women's Beach Volleyball ESPN shows/broadcasts. Most of these shots are from the 2012 Olympics as well.
And yes, they focus the shots on the butts every chance they get, and ground angle more often than not, instead of more above like Tennis. Especially when they are picking wedgies out.
why do people try so hard to place realism on a game in which peeps throw fireballs and shit. No shit it's not realistic. Its not supposed to be
so yeah Mika's tits are huge as fuck and probably should pop out...is that really where you draw the line in the sand at?
what a pointless thing to bring up.
so yeah Mika's tits are huge as fuck and probably should pop out...is that really where you draw the line in the sand at?
what a pointless thing to bring up.
The whole series has sold itself on the sex appeal of its characters. The big selling point for the very first game was the ridiculous breast physics.
are you purposely being obtuse?
Crossing Eden
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There's a difference. People poin out the lack of believability. Ryu throwing Hadokens is believable in context. The majority of women dressing up in skimpy outfits that would result in them constantly having to pop heir breasts back in and are clearly designed for NOTHING other than cheap sexual objectification are not not. Another thing to consider is that Ru throwing a fireball has nothing to do with the fact that he's a man, the women being designed that way, absolutely is. The males are often designed in a way that resembles caricatures and because they're supposed to "look cool," not for sexualization, (even more proof of this is that Capcom was surprised at the way that the fans reacted to Ryu shirtless."), it's usually the opposite situation for the female characters, these leads to the game feeling less inclusive. Excuse like "it's fiction1!!1" are actually insulting to artists, because it implies that no thought needs to go into making things believable.
TheAutomator
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I did not like how Capcom decided to make everything more revealing and sexualised from SFIV to SFV. If they are really pushing for esports then they have to make some sacrifices.
The context of it being a video game and not real life.
pretty done
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Wait, you avoid playing online because you don't want to see "sexy" characters. Is that right?
I'm not convinced you've watched more than a sexy highlight reel of beach volleyball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPcCHbI03sE
Palculator
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But if that was the only appeal the sales for the Xtreme spin offs, which only focus on titillation (or at least mostly), should be just as high as those for the base game, which they aren't. To say the DOA games' only appeal or purchasing incentive is jiggle is reductive. They wouldn't even feature male characters (like they do in the Xtreme series) if that was the only thing they're going for.
CountAntonius
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Pretty sure they did it for the good of competition. Infiltration had problems concentrating vs the default outfit.
Poison is one of the 9 trans characters ever. (this is NOT a random number)
In an ideal world, trans characters would not be as sexualized, but with just 9 trans characters you can't choose =P
And if they made Laura trans it would make MUCH more sense, because "brazil is full of trans women" (to not say the extremaly offensive wording "brazilian shemale") is a MUCH more true stereotype than minuscule tops without bra and those types of panties that I don't even know the name in english because I never saw a single women using this in brazil
And yes, Poison uses a bra and her top is closer to a sports bra so SOME support she has
The Hermit
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What?!
😂😂
Its just a costume. I would understand if Mika was very sensual, like Juri, but she's just silly.
Stone Ocean
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What bra? What support? Her breasts hang loose on a flimsy rag of a shirt that barely fits her.
Saying this is okay but Laura isn't is just hypocrytical.
Crossing Eden
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Context in the universe Capcom established for street fighter.
pretty done
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DeepEnigma
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You are showing the Olympics broadcast. I am talking about ESPN's beach volleyball coverage. Totally different animals, and watch their Olympic 'highlight reals' of them when you get the chance, pay close attention this year.
I posted a page or two back about how they view it with a Page 2 article written to men, about 'babes on the beach, and don't waste money in the strip clubs, instead come spend it during the beach volleyball tournaments where the girls are guaranteed to impress more sexually'.
ESPN knows what they are doing with that. I am not the only one to mention it in here. There was an entire sub-culture created off of their women's beach volleyball broadcasts, lol.
Even works of fiction have rules.
It's like that new Ghostbusters movie. In context, proton packs and ghosts make sense. One ghostbuster diving into a portal to save another, and falling what looks like a half a mile to catch her, all while tethered to the winch off a vehicle above that can't be longer than fifty feet, and then pulling them both back up, doesn't make sense and made everybody I was with roll their eyes.
It's like Mortal Kombat and the violence. It's certainly a draw, but far from the only one the game offers.
Hoya Destroyer
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I think her boobs are too big. That's about it.
"Softcore porn" has truly become a catch all buzzword nowadays.
Alright, so what is the mythical larger audience they are trying to capture? Because the days of SF2 are over. If you're going to hit up the CoD crowd, GTA crowd or any other "big" audience, Street Fighter will have to change genres completely. =P Larger audience is just another buzz word. It's meaningless unless you can tell me what it means. It already reach a large enough audience to be shown on ESPN.
Well, it is probably insulting to a great deal of 14 year olds. So, you're generalizing.
The industry is growing up and growing out. Certainly growing out in how to take you money. Now, you say its tribalistic? I say thats exactly what happened. You had non gamers tuning in to ESPN and going "WTF is this shit?" on social media and then you had Gamers going "Suck it!" in defense. Like, that actually occured. So back and look. I sadly see the shit happen every single day in my store for the past decade. People who view games as a complete waste of time vs. those who don't and love it and defend it. The stigma was not against SFV, it was against games and gamers itself.
No, but the fanservice was always there since SF2. You are blind to deny it. The community since then has grown with it and accepted it. It's a part of what makes the entire SF experience. If it didn't want it, I would like to think it would have made that message clear in the 20+ years of Street Fighter.
Art direction didn't hold them back. The numbers did. Period. MOBAs, FPS and such had the numbers in terms of viewers to make it worth showing on TV. For the first time, with the support of Sony, Capcom and the biggest tournament in the world, they had the numbers.
Now, do you think ESPN Will be showing the rest of the CPT? I doubt it. Why? Money and numbers.
Palculator
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It's clear that sex appeal is a huge part of DOA (even more so now with Hayashi at the helm, it seems), I just think it's weird to say it's the only thing the games have to offer. Not like you can sell a game on sex appeal alone, otherwise the Xtreme series or games with even less gameplay like the Sexy Beach series should outsell mainline DOA games. Even games like Senran Kagura are only really successful now because they offer decent gameplay alongside the lewds.
Yup!
Steve Youngblood
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Well, energy-based projectiles provide a key mechanic that's been present in the series since the beginning. I mean, maybe it should be jettisoned in favor of realism such that characters can only execute combat moves real people can do, but you'd fundamentally be changing the core experience. The outfits are just aesthetic choices. Mind you, some may argue that they're integral to the experience, but I think it's harder to justify that.
I'm not saying that I'm right and you're wrong or that I deserve to speak for the FGC fanbase (I don't), but I just personally feel like "it's not a realistic series!" is a less convincing justification for fanservice costumes than it is for core gameplay mechanics like characters throwing fireballs around. Altering Mika to show less skin doesn't fundamentally change the game.
There's still a lot of time left to see how this pans out, but like I said from my first post here I think this is a really good example of the crossroads we are at in terms of the dialogue the industry is having.
I clearly need to brush up on my history then, my bad.
Hoya Destroyer
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To me, she will always be Swedish. I dont care what Capcom say.
DeepEnigma
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I for one would like to hear their take on it in contrast with their other programming/article choices.
What bra? What support? Her breasts hang loose on a flimsy rag of a shirt that barely fits her.
Saying this is okay but Laura isn't is just hypocrytical.
Under her breast you can see the straps firmly atached, meaning that it does give SOME support.
Never said it was ok ... on the contrary, if you read my posts you can read that I like Poison because representation matters, not because of her design.
That said, her breasts does have MUCH more support than a character who would make more sense to fight topless because that is what would happen 5 seconds of someone doing an actual cosplay of that without any tape
yurinka
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I find censorship, lack of freedom of speech and creative freedom a very important issue.
To reject this for beeing "too revealing" is not that different than to mandate them to wear certain types of clothes, like a burka.
Even more worrying when violence is ok for them and is coming from a channel with a MMA show (with all my respect to MMA, it shouldn't be an issue to have a show like that if the fighters do it because they want).
To reject this for beeing "too revealing" is not that different than to mandate them to wear certain types of clothes, like a burka.
Even more worrying when violence is ok for them and is coming from a channel with a MMA show (with all my respect to MMA, it shouldn't be an issue to have a show like that if the fighters do it because they want).
This has to be a joke. I have a hard time believing someone thinks this way seriously.
Your saying that someone using a costume you hate is hurting your gaming time and you defend that point with "I purchased the game". Just easily someone else can use that exact same argument as to why they should be allowed to use a costume you don't like. I think the Phoenix outfit for mika is stupid looking... But I don't parade around saying "this HURTS my precious gaming time" because guess what, nothing changed, I'm still playing street fighter, the game is still the same.
I can't believe that someone legitimately is making this argument...
Unspeakable Evil
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Is Capcom being weird with this game? Seems like they go from 10 to 5 to 60 with this game. Took away Mika's buttslap but double down with Laura alts?
alts aren't rated by the esrb probably...hence why the bikini stuff is coming out now