People buy into the BS PR supply. MS already admitted to the CMA from internal documents that it cannibalizes sales, and we have monthly sales charts and splits to show what platform's base is being conditioned to not buy games anymore. The splits are growing and charts are dropping at a rapid pace.
Says MS themselves to the CMA and the monthly sales charts showing the splits grow and grow to PS2 era levels at a vapid pace.
This isn't a coincidence.
People buy into the BS PR supply. MS already admitted to the CMA from internal documents that it cannibalizes sales, and we have monthly sales charts and splits to show what platform's base is being conditioned to not buy games anymore. The splits are growing and charts are dropping at a rapid pace.
Says MS themselves to the CMA and the monthly sales charts showing the splits grow and grow to PS2 era levels at a vapid pace.
This isn't a coincidence.
The splits are the same in the UK where they are neck and neck with install base. When half of your install base is on a sub, and are conditioned for 5+ years to "I'll wait until it hits Game Pass..."
These people need to play more arcade games. You can hook players in less than ten minutes.
Games are art. Somerville just seems to be not very good art.
I think the answer is yes it hurt sales. People who would normally buy the game would probably be a subscriber and therefore would not buy it. It's not even that interesting of a question ultimately because the follow on what ifs are what Microsoft is trying to figure out.
It depends on how much your game can make.
People buy into the BS PR supply. MS already admitted to the CMA from internal documents that it cannibalizes sales, and we have monthly sales charts and splits to show what platform's base is being conditioned to not buy games anymore. The splits are growing and charts are dropping at a rapid pace.
Says MS themselves to the CMA and the monthly sales charts showing the splits grow and grow to PS2 era levels at a vapid pace.
This isn't a coincidence.
Why are we ripping into zoomers lol. First it was millennials now it's zoomers. Two generations that were given a relatively raw deal after decades of better circumstances (not counting anything before the post world wars era).
Plus I don't see how those sales are relevant to this topic.
You do know where that information comes from, eh?
People these days have both consoles together.They're relevant because the platform sales splits are the same 2:1 as they were last gen, but the software sales splits are far greater than last gen, and back to a gen where the platform sales splits were 3 to 4:1.
I wonder what the denominator is now? Hmmmmmm
It's not nearly as high as you think it is. The echo chamber of that has always existed to these types of boards.
Its still a loss sales. It contributes to higher sales for PS and lower sales for Xbox.
Exactly. I personally don't think GamePass works as a day 1 service for many games. Once a game breaks even it seems like it brings a lot of value to pretty much everyone. Especially if you're packaging it to a common deployment format. It makes your game both available and also helps preserve it.
Oh I completely agree with everything you're saying. I guess one of my points is that PS+ has all of the same benefits of bringing in new players, giving people a catalog to discover, and the chance of growing large among other things. They also don't have the risk that a day 1 promise brings. Sony decides when a game is worth going to the service and the only people that get upset are usually the early adopters that already bought it at retail price. They were going to buy it anyways because if they're like me they want to be in the zeitgeist and have poor impulse control. Lol.
Ok. If you say so. MS themselves admitted that it cannibalizes sales internally and summitted that to the CMA.
Yes it does.
Yes there is, Why purchase a game if it's on your streaming service. Also didn't MS admit to gamepass cannablising sales during the MS/ Activision acquisition?
Ok. If you say so. MS themselves admitted that it cannibalizes sales internally and summitted that to the CMA.
I guess all MS does is lie then, and people will move goalposts with their own mental gymnastics over it.
Posted it several times, nobody wants to rebuttal it.
If I had a dime for how many times I see Xbox gamers say, "Will wait till it comes to Game Pass..." across the internet and on here, especially when half the units sold are subbed to it and none of their games are charting anymore, even in the first week, and third party splits are growing rapidly to a gen that was 4 to 1 splits when this is only 2 to 1, you can do the math.
I didn't know all these games on the list were day1 on gamepass.
This I can agree with. Maybe they were sold the "it will increase sales" pitch at the signing table?
MS first party games get their lost sales from the service. So it doesn't matter if they lose copy sales as long as they get it from their service.
Those online users don't represent the majority of Xbox users. and most games don't end up on gamepass.
game pass is good up to the point that you've sampled everything. at which point, it becomes a 'renew sub only as needed' service...
even the guy who greenlit it thought he made a mistake.
Oh indeed. Save the rest of your condescending breath.
I feel like I am wasting my time.
