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[Killjoy-NL]

Gaf is enclave of real hardcore gamers that consume single player games and "standard" multi player games mostly, ages 30-40-50+. Most of console users are casuals that play sports games, cod and GTA while most young people are playing gaas games (Fortnite, Minecraft etc.). Even Sony fanboys here are in super minority compared to most PS5 users, most of them fall into casuals category and don't give a fuck about console wars and shit like that - they just want to play new cod or FC with their friends.

Yeah, no shit.

That's what I've been saying all this time.

 

[ReBurn]

No killer apps

Astro Bot has been the only killer app on consoles for me this generation. I've enjoyed other games, but it's the only one so far that's made me glad I bought a console so that I can play it.

I feel that way about several Switch games, but literally nothing for the XSX or PS5 so far outside of Astro Bot.

 

[Bojji]

Yeah, no shit.

That's what I've been saying all this time.

But hardcore gamers are the ones that buy single player games, including all those Sony exclusives, RPGs, etc. And they buy MANY games during consoles lifespan so they (we!) are very valuable for companies. And yet you say we are insignificant.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

But hardcore gamers are the ones that buy single player games, including all those Sony exclusives, RPGs, etc. And they buy MANY games during consoles lifespan so they (we!) are very valuable for companies. And yet you say we are insignificant.

I thought Gaf's poll showed those hardcore gamers hate those Sony games?

Yet, those games keep breaking records.

 

[Bojji]

I thought Gaf's poll showed those hardcore gamers hate those Sony games?

Yet, those games keep breaking records.

Poll didn't show that, it shows that number of those games is smaller compared to previous games.

If anything both sales and this poll shows that people are starved and want more, yet Sony does almost fucking nothing. Many studios lost years developing GaaS bullshit...

WE want more high quality games from Sony studios, like what they did in previous gens. I don't hate Sony, I just criticize their fucked up decisions and ideas and sadly they have made A LOT of them in recent years.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Poll didn't show that, it shows that number of those games is smaller compared to previous games.

If anything both sales and this poll shows that people are starved and want more, yet Sony does almost fucking nothing. Many studios lost years developing GaaS bullshit...

Which studios lost years developing what exactly?

ND is still developing singleplayer projects.
GG is still developing a singleplayer project.
SSM is still developing a singleplayer project.
Insomniac is still developing singleplayer project.

Firewalk was gaas-only and got shutdown.
Bungie is gaas-focused.
Haven is a gaas-studio as well.

The other studios with canceled live service games never made games most hardcore PS fans were really excited about.
Except maybe BluePoint, which made remakes.

WE want more high quality games from Sony studios, like what they did in previous gens. I don't hate Sony, I just criticize they fucked up decisions and ideas and sadly they have made A LOT of them in recent years.

I'm part of the 'WE'. And it's not like I don't get the criticism, I just think people are acting irrational.

 

[Negotiator]

Ok I gotta respond to that because I disagree. Just understand this is my opinion and not an attack. I love the PS4 controller, to me it's the perfect size and the perfect triggers. The PS5 controller is the worst, it's too big for my hands. I'm not your average sized guy, I'm only 5 feet 3 inches tall, and for us short people the PS5 controller is just too big for us. Now if your someone of the 5 feet 10 inches and taller, I'm sure the PS5 controller could be great as you have bigger hands as well. But overall the PS5 is the biggest disapointment ever in Sony's history to me as I don't like the dualsense and there's been a
big stall of great games, there hasn't been many big games at all.

I wonder if Japanese people dislike DualSense too... the PS5 isn't selling that well over there.

 

[Bojji]

Which studios lost years developing what exactly?

ND is still developing singleplayer projects.
GG is still developing a singleplayer project.
SSM is still developing a singleplayer project.
Insomniac is still developing singleplayer project.

Firewalk was gaas-only and got shutdown.
Bungie is gaas-focused.
Haven is a gaas-studio as well.

The other studios with canceled live service games never made games most hardcore PS fans were really excited about.
Except maybe BluePoint, which made remakes.


I'm part of the 'WE'. And it's not like I don't get the criticism, I just think people are acting irrational.

GaaS is part of the problem. They have not released that many games in general and ND was just making remakes and remasters for almost 5 years.

Games take more time/manpower and money to develop so why not expand existing studios and buy new ones to fix the problem? They aren't that interested because without any strong competition they are selling a lot of consoles and software anyway. That's why poll results are like that.

 

[Negotiator]

GaaS is part of the problem. They have not released that many games in general and ND was just making remakes and remasters for almost 5 years.

Games take more time/manpower and money to develop so why not expand existing studios and buy new ones to fix the problem? They aren't that interested because without any strong competition they are selling a lot of consoles and software anyway. That's why poll results are like that.

Not expanding studios because "it's hard" is the equivalent of Intel sticking to 4-core CPUs for almost a decade (2006-2016), until AMD amped up the competition with Ryzen in 2017.

 

[EruditeHobo]

Poll is not about how much money Sony makes but how people see PS5 compared to previous consoles (I know some of you are masturbating to sales numbers). People are mostly talking about "exclusives", in this category PS5 looks like shit compared to older brothers.

It's not about "people". It's about a very, very niche hardcore community that in the aggregate doesn't make up a sliver of a fraction of a percent of the reason Sony are so successful right now.

Many, many modern gamers don't care one single shit about "exclusives"... and certainly not "first party exclusives". And the answer why should be very obvious, because exclusives have never mattered less to the value of the gaming ecosystem offered by a console.

 

[terrible1fi]

Ps5 has been the best generation yet imo

 

[Killjoy-NL]

GaaS is part of the problem. They have not released that many games in general and ND was just making remakes and remasters for almost 5 years.

Games take more time/manpower and money to develop so why not expand existing studios and buy new ones to fix the problem? They aren't that interested because without any strong competition they are selling a lot of consoles and software anyway. That's why poll results are like that.

Bolded is literally what they've done.

But it takes time for those teams/studios to develop their games.
And gaas is just an addition to their output, not a replacement of what they're known for.

 

[EruditeHobo]

But hardcore gamers are the ones that buy single player games, including all those Sony exclusives, RPGs, etc. And they buy MANY games during consoles lifespan so they (we!) are very valuable for companies. And yet you say we are insignificant.

So do sales matter, or do they not? Because so many "people" that you're talking about are saying things like "sales charts don't matter"... so what credibility do you think this point has, when you're talking about what "hardcore" gamers want out of products and how that translates to sales? Because, again, the trends on how Sony is doing with PS5 are pretty clear and are if anything likely to improve over the next 2 years.

700 people not liking what Sony is offering is pretty meaningless, and yet a number of these people have said in many threads over the past couple years "Sony need to/should change"... why the fuck do they need to change?

This argument as always is just incredibly poor, selective, and emotional. But that said, you're very welcome to it! No one is saying you don't hav a right to feel that way, but rather that any idea that this applies to something bigger than your personal feelings (which honestly are pretty insignificant) speaks to some level of remove... ie, the neogaf "bubble".

 

[asdasdasdbb]

why the fuck do they need to change?

Because the bulk of their growth is coming from PS+ and Third Party Live Service games. They aren't buying a PS6 and could easily drop PS for like if a Steam Box comes along that doesn't require PS+ to play MP games.

Sony is basically screwed if they continue to put their games on PC.

 

[EruditeHobo]

Because the bulk of their growth is coming from PS+ and Third Party Live Service games. They aren't buying a PS6 and could easily drop PS for like if a Steam Box comes along that doesn't require PS+ to play MP games.

Sony is basically screwed if they continue to put their games on PC.

Nah. You're probably just not aligned with what the value and convenience of a console does to it's appeal to more casual customers as opposed to the much different more hardcore/hobbyist PC-inclined market.

But I mean... we'll see, I guess? Don't think they're going anywhere for a very, very long time.

 

[onQ123]

One problem here is a certain set of people feel like only their opinion matter even though reality points to how small their group is compared to the people who doesn't share their opinion. So they are fighting extra hard to prove how much their opinion matters & attacking anyone who doesn't feel the same.



These are different times we needed 10 different games but these kids be playing the same games for 10 years, we believe it was better to have many games but these kids are getting a different experience every other day with the same games.


Just imagine trying to convince the millions of people playing Fortnite everyday on their PS5 that PS1 ,PS2 & PS3 is better than PS5 because you had KillZone 2 , Resistance Fall of Man & so on.


Also I question the logic of anyone locking in a cemented answer at 4 years in when consoles generations are lasting longer & it's taking longer to create AAA games now.

PS5 is just getting to a large enough user-base where it would make sense to make exclusives over taking advantage of both PS4 & PS5 user-base. Even Xbox is running to this large user-base PS5 is going to be flooded with games over the next few years.

People want to exclude sales from the topic but the sales has the competition bringing their games over to the PS5.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

One problem here is a certain set of people feel like only their opinion matter even though reality points to how small their group is compared to the people who doesn't share their opinion. So they are fighting extra hard to prove how much their opinion matters & attacking anyone who doesn't feel the same.



These are different times we needed 10 different games but these kids be playing the same games for 10 years, we believe it was better to have many games but these kids are getting a different experience every other day with the same games.


Just imagine trying to convince the millions of people playing Fortnite everyday on their PS5 that PS1 ,PS2 & PS3 is better than PS5 because you had KillZone 2 , Resistance Fall of Man & so on.


Also I question the logic of anyone locking in a cemented answer at 4 years in when consoles generations are lasting longer & it's taking longer to create AAA games now.

PS5 is just getting to a large enough user-base where it would make sense to make exclusives over taking advantage of both PS4 & PS5 user-base. Even Xbox is running to this large user-base PS5 is going to be flooded with games over the next few years.

People want to exclude sales from the topic but the sales has the competition bringing their games over to the PS5.

Nope your opinion 100% matters as you go on to try and explain why others that voted here are wrong

And we circle back to sales

I guess by this logic Fortnite and COD should be winning game of the year every single year

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Nope your opinion 100% matters as you go on to try and explain why others that voted here are wrong

And we circle back to sales

I guess by this logic Fortnite and COD should be winning game of the year every single year

Aren't people showing Sony their discontent by not buying the games they don't like, thus validating the importance of sales?

 

[RafterXL]

This is only even a discussion because people make their toys their entire personality and feel attacked when the PS5 isn't glazed to death. It's also hilarious that a bunch of consumers are so enslaved by sales numbers like like they own the company.

By objective measures, not corpo slurping financial statements or butthurt feelings because someone insulted your video game equivalent of a body pillow, the PS5 has less games, less great games, less good games, both first and third party, than any other generation. And gaming is about games, full stop! You can screech about financials all you want, but as a person who plays games, and is not a complete brand dick sucker, there is zero argument that the PS5 isn't the worst generation in PS history.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Aren't people showing Sony their discontent by not buying the games they don't like, thus validating the importance of sales?

You guys keep wanting to bring sales into the discussion of people not being happy with Sonys first party output and how people feel here

Honestly I don't care that the 31.5% voted for other generations as having worse first party games, I am not even remotely attempting to change your vote

Why is it the small group that is hell bent on trying to change the 68.5% who voted the way they did?

You guys seem to take it personal

 

[Killjoy-NL]

You guys keep wanting to bring sales into the discussion of people not being happy with Sonys first party output and how people feel here

Honestly I don't care that the 31.5% voted for other generations as having worse first party games, I am not even remotely attempting to change your vote

Why is it the small group that is hell bent on trying to change the 68.5% who voted the way they did?

You guys seem to take it personal

I'm not trying to change anyones mind though.

What makes you think that?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I'm not trying to change anyones mind though.

What makes you think that?

People just keep wanting to bring sales into the equation and change the narrative of the original post of how poor the first party output has been for Sony

I guess some think them repeating but the sales is some magic bullet that is going to change people's mind that oh yeah Sonys first party hasn't been shit, look at all those people playing Fortnite

Honestly not sure why I bother as I don't care how others voted as I respect how they feel but some can't do the same

 

[adamsapple]

One problem here is a certain set of people feel like only their opinion matter even though reality points to how small their group is compared to the people who doesn't share their opinion. So they are fighting extra hard to prove how much their opinion matters & attacking anyone who doesn't feel the same.

.... like how you're doing now in the face of the poll results in this topic?

 

[RafterXL]

You guys seem to take it personal

When you make a brand your personality, any attack of said brand feels like a personal insult. I'm convinced half of this forum would cease to exist if Sony disappeared. They'd literally dematerialize into the ether because they are so intrinsically linked that they couldn't sustain sentience without THE BRAND. This place is filled with corpo zombies.

 

[onQ123]

.... like how you're doing now in the face of the poll results in this topic?

If that's how you read it sure

 

[onQ123]

Nope your opinion 100% matters as you go on to try and explain why others that voted here are wrong

And we circle back to sales

I guess by this logic Fortnite and COD should be winning game of the year every single year

Im not here to prove them wrong but the thread didn't say " in your opinion" it asked if PS5 has cemented it's self as the worst PlayStation Generation.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Im not here to prove them wrong but the thread didn't say " in your opinion" it asked if PS5 has cemented it's self as the worst PlayStation Generation.

Wouldn't people voting be considered expressing their opinion?

The very nature of the question makes it subjective and his post starts with the very words "In my opinion"

"In my opinion, outside of some type of a miracle in the next few years, the answer is definitely "yes". Particularly with the news of Bend's and Bluepoint's projects being canned."

 

[adamsapple]

Im not here to prove them wrong but the thread didn't say " in your opinion" it asked if PS5 has cemented it's self as the worst PlayStation Generation.

The poll and every single post here is someone's opinion.

 

[onQ123]

Wouldn't people voting be considered expressing their opinion?

The very nature of the question makes it subjective and his post starts with the very words "In my opinion"

"In my opinion, outside of some type of a miracle in the next few years, the answer is definitely "yes". Particularly with the news of Bend's and Bluepoint's projects being canned."

So why do you feel that someone who doesn't share these opinions is somehow calling your opinion wrong?

I didn't vote & most people who would vote on PS5 being cemented as the worst PlayStation Generation in history in only it's 4th year most likely are jaded in some way. This forum is a really anger place right now everything is being attacked

The thread title is a dog whistle on its own with PS5 being the target

 

[Ritsumei2020]

For me the big problem I have with PS5 itself is the size and form factor. I would be more a keen on smaller (and cheaper?) console. I can wait.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

So why do you feel that someone who doesn't share these opinions is somehow calling your opinion wrong?

I didn't vote & most people who would vote on PS5 being cemented as the worst PlayStation Generation in history in only it's 4th year most likely are jaded in some way. This forum is a really anger place right now everything is being attacked

The thread title is a dog whistle on its own with PS5 being the target

I don't care how other people feel as they have every right to love this gen if they like but you ask "So why do you feel that someone who doesn't share these opinions is somehow calling your opinion wrong?" and you follow that up with answering your own question why I feel others are trying to tell me my opinion is wrong

"I didn't vote & most people who would vote on PS5 being cemented as the worst PlayStation Generation in history in only it's 4th year most likely are jaded in some way. This forum is a really anger place right now everything is being attacked

The thread title is a dog whistle on its own with PS5 being the target"

I am not remotely jaded and not attacking anything so you can feel the need to stop defending it

You jumped back in here with

"One problem here is a certain set of people feel like only their opinion matter even though reality points to how small their group is compared to the people who doesn't share their opinion. So they are fighting extra hard to prove how much their opinion matters & attacking anyone who doesn't feel the same."

Show me how you come to the conclusion how everyone else feels

You will point to sales and if that's all you got we are done here

In fact we are done regardless, good luck with your crusade

 

[MaxwellParrish]

I'm a little surprised by all this PS3 talk. It was the generation that brought us these exclusives:

• Uncharted 1, 2, and 3
• The Last of Us
• Metal Gear Solid 4
• God of War III
• LittleBigPlanet and it's sequels
• Resistance 1, 2 and 3
• Killzone 2 and 3
• inFAMOUS 1 and 2
• Dark Soul

I completely agree with your argument. I think PS3 has been one of the best generation for first party output. But I don't think Dark Souls is ever been a Playstation exclusive. Your list instead should also mention the three Motorstorm and the Future trilogy of Ratchet and Clank

 

[Negotiator]

For me the big problem I have with PS5 itself is the size and form factor. I would be more a keen on smaller (and cheaper?) console. I can wait.

PS5 Slim uses 6nm APU and it consumes 10 watts more vs OG PS5 with 7nm APU. How crazy is that?!

The era of slimmer, cheaper and more power efficient consoles is over, I'm afraid... only Switch targets power efficiency these days.

 

[onQ123]

I don't care how other people feel as they have every right to love this gen if they like but you ask "So why do you feel that someone who doesn't share these opinions is somehow calling your opinion wrong?" and you follow that up with answering your own question why I feel others are trying to tell me my opinion is wrong

"I didn't vote & most people who would vote on PS5 being cemented as the worst PlayStation Generation in history in only it's 4th year most likely are jaded in some way. This forum is a really anger place right now everything is being attacked

The thread title is a dog whistle on its own with PS5 being the target"

I am not remotely jaded and not attacking anything so you can feel the need to stop defending it

You jumped back in here with

"One problem here is a certain set of people feel like only their opinion matter even though reality points to how small their group is compared to the people who doesn't share their opinion. So they are fighting extra hard to prove how much their opinion matters & attacking anyone who doesn't feel the same."

Show me how you come to the conclusion how everyone else feels

You will point to sales and if that's all you got we are done here

In fact we are done regardless, good luck with your crusade

We been done you're the one that keep replying to my posts because my opinion is different from yours

 

[Killjoy-NL]

People just keep wanting to bring sales into the equation and change the narrative of the original post of how poor the first party output has been for Sony

Just curious what people want exactly?

Compare PS4 first 4 years vs PS5 first 4 years:

PS4: Killzone Shadowfall, Infamous SS, Bloodborne, Uncharted 4 + Lost Legacy, HZD, Ratchet & Clank, Gravity Rush 2, Until Dawn.

PS5: Ratchet & Clank, GOW Ragnarok, Spiderman 2, Astro Bot, Helldivers 2, Returnal, DeS Remake, HFW, Stellar Blade, GT7.

It's not any different from PS4, unless people really are still hung up over Concord (and Lego Horizon).

It just seems like such a weird complaint.

I guess some think them repeating but the sales is some magic bullet that is going to change people's mind that oh yeah Sonys first party hasn't been shit, look at all those people playing Fortnite

Honestly not sure why I bother as I don't care how others voted as I respect how they feel but some can't do the same

I'm sure nobody is trying to change people's mind. Who cares what people like better?

But there's nothing wrong with having a discussion and ask what the problem is exactly, right?
That's what forums are for.

 

[Rentahamster]

PS3 is the only Playstation I haven't bought.

 

[Sub_Level]

My top PS5 games of 2024:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

 

[Germuso]

Ps + Xbox games on a console

 

[DenchDeckard]

Personally. As someone who owns all platforms. I turned my pa5 on for astro bot last year and not once before. So that's like 9 months of 0 use.

So far this year I haven't turned them on. I will once all the astro bot levels are out.

I've never had a generation where I've used my playstation to this tiny amount each year.

Yes, I've always had a kick ass pc and all consoles.

It's just a fact that donys 1st party output has co pletely deteriated so I don't think it's hard to understand that 68.5 percent of people feel similar to me.

Hoping for an amazing 2025 and 2026.

I think im also heavily dissapointed in the pro. Which would normally bring a second wind for the gen. I enjoyed the ps4 pro a lot. This seems to be too much of a crap shoot to see true benefits.

So, yeah. Weak first party output. Cross gen games and a poor pro make it the worst by a considerable margin so far. Maybe they turn it around. I hope they do.

 

[Seomel]

Ehh, nah. Hardware is best its been with most benefits and third party support is still great. If this thread is someone bitching about first party, its something everyone is relatively suffering from(except nintendo) due to chasing top tier visuals etc.

 

[OuterLimits]

Sony ob

So do sales matter, or do they not? Because so many "people" that you're talking about are saying things like "sales charts don't matter"... so what credibility do you think this point has, when you're talking about what "hardcore" gamers want out of products and how that translates to sales? Because, again, the trends on how Sony is doing with PS5 are pretty clear and are if anything likely to improve over the next 2 years.

700 people not liking what Sony is offering is pretty meaningless, and yet a number of these people have said in many threads over the past couple years "Sony need to/should change"... why the fuck do they need to change?

This argument as always is just incredibly poor, selective, and emotional. But that said, you're very welcome to it! No one is saying you don't hav a right to feel that way, but rather that any idea that this applies to something bigger than your personal feelings (which honestly are pretty insignificant) speaks to some level of remove... ie, the neogaf "bubble".

700 was roughly the number of people who played Concord after Sony spent millions on it.. Sony themselves realized they needed to change direction after that debacle so they cancelled other GaaS,projects.

However, Sony doesn't really need strong first party software for their console to sell. Which will be even more true next generation since they will likely be the only traditional home console option. In addition they make a massive amount of money by charging to play online which wasn't the case in the PS1 through PS3_Years.

Nintendo makes mountains of cash on their first party games and is heavily reliant on their quality to sell systems.(the console itself needs to be appealing also)

 

[TheRaidenPT]

Personally. As someone who owns all platforms. I turned my pa5 on for astro bot last year and not once before. So that's like 9 months of 0 use.

So far this year I haven't turned them on. I will once all the astro bot levels are out.

I've never had a generation where I've used my playstation to this tiny amount each year.

Yes, I've always had a kick ass pc and all consoles.

It's just a fact that donys 1st party output has co pletely deteriated so I don't think it's hard to understand that 68.5 percent of people feel similar to me.

Hoping for an amazing 2025 and 2026.

I think im also heavily dissapointed in the pro. Which would normally bring a second wind for the gen. I enjoyed the ps4 pro a lot. This seems to be too much of a crap shoot to see true benefits.

So, yeah. Weak first party output. Cross gen games and a poor pro make it the worst by a considerable margin so far. Maybe they turn it around. I hope they do.

My only complaint about the Pro is the r PSSR situation and not being able to update the DLL as an user.

Having to rely on patches it’s really really bad, and it will go down in history as one of the worse Upscaler implementations from user perspective because remember the consoles are different from PCs

Other than that I’m happy with the Pro

 

[DenchDeckard]

My only complaint about the Pro is the r PSSR situation and not being able to update the DLL as an user.

Having to rely on patches it’s really really bad, and it will go down in history as one of the worse Upscaler implementations from user perspective because remember the consoles are different from PCs

Other than that I’m happy with the Pro

Yeah, as someone who held off buying one. Watching DF videos like the one for Astro Bot and there's an argument that the standard version performs better in certain situations due to PSSR is not acceptable imo.

 

[Sid91]

Of course, absolutely no doubt about it.

 

[Negotiator]

Yeah, as someone who held off buying one. Watching DF videos like the one for Astro Bot and there's an argument that the standard version performs better in certain situations due to PSSR is not acceptable imo.

Paying almost a grand for PS5 Pro (BD-ROM drive included) gives you the "privilege" of participating in Sony's private PSSR beta testing program.

I'd rather wait it out until 2027-2028 for PS6 (PSSRv3/4 should be equal to DLSS4 with RR and Transformer model) and let's hope it's not more expensive than the PS5 Pro...

Honestly, I don't remember such a fiasco with PS4 Pro. It had some new tech (like RPM/2xFP16), but nothing like PSSR shenanigans.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Paying almost a grand for PS5 Pro (BD-ROM drive included) gives you the "privilege" of participating in Sony's private PSSR beta testing program.

I'd rather wait it out until 2027-2028 for PS6 (PSSRv3/4 should be equal to DLSS4 with RR and Transformer model) and let's hope it's not more expensive than the PS5 Pro...

I do think it will be cheaper but not by much... and also that much better beyond the CPU.

 

[David B]

The PS5 may be the end of consoles. And I don't mean end of selling them, Microsoft and Sony and Nintendo making new consoles of course. But PS6, Next Xbox, Switch 2 may be the last consoles we see out. Now Nintendo probably will continue consoles. But Sony and Microsoft might go well we make more money profit selling digital, than we never have to make the discs and plastic movie holder things for discs. I think PS6 and Xbox next might be the last console generation before Sony and Microsoft just go get our games on PC now, Steam and Xbox app, there you kids. Because at this point we have 10.3 teraflop PS5. 12 teraflops Xbox Series X, 4 teraflops Xbox Series S, and 16.7 teraflops PS5 Pro. So I'm thinking the PS6 will be 20 or 25 teraflops and cost start at $600 at the very least. Xbox next console start at $550 and 27 to 30 teraflops. With how high the performance highs are now I just think both companies will go to PC and stop making consoles.

 

[FrankWza]

Just curious what people want exactly?

Compare PS4 first 4 years vs PS5 first 4 years:

PS4: Killzone Shadowfall, Infamous SS, Bloodborne, Uncharted 4 + Lost Legacy, HZD, Ratchet & Clank, Gravity Rush 2, Until Dawn.

PS5: Ratchet & Clank, GOW Ragnarok, Spiderman 2, Astro Bot, Helldivers 2, Returnal, DeS Remake, HFW, Stellar Blade, GT7.

It's not any different from PS4, unless people really are still hung up over Concord (and Lego Horizon).

You would have to start with a public poll before anything. It's possible most voters would choose the PS5 option but the number of voters would be exposed as alts and frauds. If you swapped the PS3 at this point in its gen it would get way more votes. They don't announce games early anymore. This is a loaded poll so don't take it seriously

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

God of War Ragnarok > GOW3
Horizon FW > Killzone 2/3 SP
Helldivers 2 > Killzone MP
Spiderman 2 > MGS4
Uncharted = AstroBot (different genres or whatever, just going by quality)
Ratchet RA > ToD
Returnal > Resistance Series
Demons Souls > Lair, Heavenly Sword, whatever.
GT7 > GT5

God of War Ragnarok(not exclusive)< GOW3
Horizon FW(not exclusive)<< Killzone 2/3
Helldivers 2 > Killzone MP eh
Spiderman 2(not exclusive)<<< MGS4
Uncharted 2 > AstroBot (different genres or whatever, just going by quality)
Ratchet RA > ToD
Returnal < Resistance Series
Demons Souls < Demon's Souls PS3 because it had a bigger impact
GT7 > GT5

Many other PS3 games existed back then with a larger and overall more robust library than PS5 thus far.

 

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The PS5 may be the end of consoles. And I don't mean end of selling them, Microsoft and Sony and Nintendo making new consoles of course. But PS6, Next Xbox, Switch 2 may be the last consoles we see out. Now Nintendo probably will continue consoles. But Sony and Microsoft might go well we make more money profit selling digital, than we never have to make the discs and plastic movie holder things for discs. I think PS6 and Xbox next might be the last console generation before Sony and Microsoft just go get our games on PC now, Steam and Xbox app, there you kids. Because at this point we have 10.3 teraflop PS5. 12 teraflops Xbox Series X, 4 teraflops Xbox Series S, and 16.7 teraflops PS5 Pro. So I'm thinking the PS6 will be 20 or 25 teraflops and cost start at $600 at the very least. Xbox next console start at $550 and 27 to 30 teraflops. With how high the performance highs are now I just think both companies will go to PC and stop making consoles.

Pretty sure I mentioned this in the thread earlier... most of Sony's growth right now is PS+ and their cut of Third Party Live Service games.