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[FireFly]

I think PSSR and FSR4 are separate entities. FSR4 is much newer and designed around RDNA4 hardware, PSSR started life in 2020/2021 when Cerny designed Pro hardware.

My prediction is that Sony will drop PSSR and use FSR4/5 on PS6 (FSR4 looks to have better quality than PSSR already).

Right, FSR 4 has been in development for like 1.5 years.

AMD plans for FSR4 to be fully AI-based — designed to improve quality and maximize power efficiency

The team in charge has already been working on this for 9–12 months.

www.tomshardware.com

Also AMD said that FSR 4 requires 779 TOPS, compared with the 300 TOPS that PSSR uses. And finally in the presentation, AMD seemed to be claiming that the Performance (not Quality) mode delivered similar image quality to native. If true, that would put it closer to DLSS 4 than PSSR.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

I'm gonna try and snag one if PT performance is good and sell my 4080. I can't lie but Nvidia has really lost me with their behavior

Selling the RTX4080 just to buy the RX 9070 XT doesnt make any sese. You will see no performance gains, but most likely performance regression in the most demanding PT games (especially Black Myth Wukong because this game in PT mode relies on OMM engine). The FSR4 image reconstruction and FSR frame generation will probably also not work as good as DLSS technology.

9070 XT make sense only for people who want to upgrade from much older and weaker cards that are vram limited now (pascal, turing or RDNA1).

 

[TheRedRiders]

 

[Soodanim]

Selling the RTX4080 just to buy the RX 9070 XT doesnt make any sese. You will see no performance gains, but most likely performance regression in the most demanding PT games (especially Black Myth Wukong because this game in PT mode relies on OMM engine). The FSR4 image reconstruction and FSR frame generation will probably also not work as good as DLSS technology.

9070 XT make sense only for people who want to upgrade from much older and weaker cards that are vram limited now (pascal, turing or RDNA1).

(Not for me, I'm on Turing)

 

[SolidQ]

Youtube leaked, not licked!

 

[Unknown Soldier]

RIP RTX 5070Ti


Now lets see if consumers are actually clever and the 9070XT sells well, because this is exactly what we have been asking for.
Actual competition.

By all accounts the 9070XT should be the better buy especially when looking at actual prices of cards on the market.....a better buy by a long shot actually.

LMAO they were going to sell out no matter what

If you have 10 of something, and you sell those 10 things for $20 instead of $200 knowing it will sell out no matter what, who's the retard? That's right, it's you

AMD could have priced it for $699 and still sold them all. So I'm not sure what their plan is here, unless they can dramatically increase supply and actually grab market share, from the standpoint of maximizing profit selling for anything less than what the market will bear is stupid as shit

Also people acting like Nvidia has written their prices on stone tablets is hilarious, if Nvidia actually felt any pressure from AMD in market share they could lower their prices lol

 

[SolidQ]

chinese preorders
Most models: pulse, steel legend, prime - msrp
sapphire pure +50$
Red devil +150$
xfx mercury +75$ magnetic air +100$ oc version +120$

 

[TVexperto]

Ive been nvidia customer but I am wanting to switch is there an table showing what would be the simliar nvidia gpu currently for their whole lineup?

 

[kevboard]

I'm gonna try and snag one if PT performance is good and sell my 4080. I can't lie but Nvidia has really lost me with their behavior

you will sell a better card to buy a worse one?

why?

 

[Puscifer]

you will sell a better card to buy a worse one?

why?

 

[DenchDeckard]

Man, this Sapphire Nitro+ design is awesome.

You a tiny tom logan fan?

He's an lovely bloke.

 

[ResilientBanana]

You're only hurting yourself here. Your message won't be heard. At least you will stay on PCIe4.

 

[Puscifer]

You're only hurting yourself here. Your message won't be heard. At least you will stay on PCIe4.

I'm on pcie5 lol

 

[Crayon]

LMAO they were going to sell out no matter what

If you have 10 of something, and you sell those 10 things for $20 instead of $200 knowing it will sell out no matter what, who's the retard? That's right, it's you

AMD could have priced it for $699 and still sold them all. So I'm not sure what their plan is here, unless they can dramatically increase supply and actually grab market share, from the standpoint of maximizing profit selling for anything less than what the market will bear is stupid as shit

Also people acting like Nvidia has written their prices on stone tablets is hilarious, if Nvidia actually felt any pressure from AMD in market share they could lower their prices lol

You're asking them to do exactly what destroyed their reputation.

 

[ResilientBanana]

some FPS numbers from AMD

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/desktops/radeon/9000-series/amd-radeon-rx-9070xt.html

Interesting where they test it

Better ask who have AMD cards and use it. I don't have AMD card for now

Why are you showing AMD's 4K performance up against nVidia's 4K | Raytraced Performance? This is apples to Oranges. What is the point you are trying to make? When you turn off Raytracing, the game changes in nVidia's favor.

IF you look here, the 5070TI is pushing 158fps @ 4k whereas AMD is hitting 144fps @ 4K. I'd love to see apples to apples raytracing performance, but I doubt AMD will publish that till benchmarks come out.

Galax GeForce RTX 5070 Ti 1-Click OC White Review

The Galax GeForce RTX 5070 Ti 1-Click OC White is a custom design model of NVIDIA's newest release that still sells for the baseline MSRP of $750. Besides the white color theme you get a small factory overclock and an excellent cooler that emits very little noise, even under full load.

www.techpowerup.com

I'm on pcie5 lol

I just realized I was looking at old data.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

(Not for me, I'm on Turing)

Yes, it's about money, otherwise you wouldnt care that much about the price difference. Nvidia cards are objectively better, that's why most PC gamers were buying geforce cards for the last couple of years. At best that radeon 9070 XT will offer similar performance as the two years old RTX4080 and worse upscaling features (after seeing that PT tech demo running on the 9070 XT I dont think FSR4 is even as good as DLSS3, the amount of nose and ghosting was insane).

If I had a very limited budget and wanted to buy a good GPU right now, I would probably choose the AMD 9070 XT, but with my salary I would rather buy the 5070ti, even though AMD card offers better performance per dollar, because playing games without DLSS features would not be the same experience. If I'm going to buy a new card, I want to be happy with the experience. I would not compromise my gaming experience just to send a message.

 

[SolidQ]

Why are you showing AMD's 4K performance up against nVidia's 4K | Raytraced Performance?

I'm show AMD RT numbers vs TPU RT numbers. Read better

 

[ResilientBanana]

I'm show AMD RT numbers vs TPU RT numbers. Read better

I don't even know what you said here. But AMD's benches do not include RT.

 

[CrustyBritches]

So, dumb this down for me.

What perfomance ballpark are we looking to compared to Nvidia and at what price?

AMDs benchmarks vs 5070 Ti = -2% on standard models, +2% on premium OC models.

Keep in mind companies will do their best to make their product look good, so we'll have to wait for 3rd-party reviews. Then we have to wait to see real-world availability and retail pricing. For example, 5070 Ti has a MSRP of $750, but real-world average shelf price of $928 with no availability. I have no doubt 9070 XT is going to trounce it in bang-for-buck. Going by both MSRP and actual shelf price. 9070 XT = $599 MSRP.

 

[ResilientBanana]

AMDs benchmarks vs 5070 Ti = -2% on standard models, +2% on premium OC models.

Keep in mind companies will do their best to make their product look good, so we'll have to wait for 3rd-party reviews. Then we have to wait to see real-world availability and retail pricing. For example, 5070 Ti has a MSRP of $750, but real-world average shelf price of $928 with no availability. I have no doubt 9070 XT is going to trounce it in bang-for-buck. Going by both MSRP and actual shelf price. 9070 XT = $599 MSRP.

I'll wait for the real benches.

 

[SolidQ]

But AMD's benches do not include RT.

oh yeah? What is that?

 

[demigod]

LMAO they were going to sell out no matter what

If you have 10 of something, and you sell those 10 things for $20 instead of $200 knowing it will sell out no matter what, who's the retard? That's right, it's you

AMD could have priced it for $699 and still sold them all. So I'm not sure what their plan is here, unless they can dramatically increase supply and actually grab market share, from the standpoint of maximizing profit selling for anything less than what the market will bear is stupid as shit

Also people acting like Nvidia has written their prices on stone tablets is hilarious, if Nvidia actually felt any pressure from AMD in market share they could lower their prices lol

A profit of $20 is better than $0. $50 discount for inferior tech was not worth going AMD.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

If by August I can't get a 5080 for MSRP then AMD it is.

Fuck all these rich PC gamer motherfuckers and fuck Jensen's new Lambo.

 

[lachesis]

I hope AMD would bring RTX HDR type of SDR to HDR enhancement to streaming sdr videos soon.
As I'm using my pc as streaming + gaming... and it does seem to cover gaming pretty well, but I really enjoy the video enhancements on RTX cards on my main rig...

 

[Soodanim]

Yes, it's about money, otherwise you wouldnt care that much about the price difference. Nvidia cards are objectively better, that's why most PC gamers were buying geforce cards for the last couple of years. At best that radeon 9070 XT will offer similar performance as the two years old RTX4080 and worse upscaling features (after seeing that PT tech demo running on the 9070 XT I dont think FSR4 is even as good as DLSS3, the amount of nose and ghosting was insane).

If I had a very limited budget and wanted to buy a good GPU right now, I would probably choose the AMD 9070 XT, but with my salary I would rather buy the 5070ti (or even the 5080), even though AMD offers better performance per dollar, because playing games without DLSS features would not be the same experience. If I'm going to buy a new card, I want to be happy with the experience, not compromise and be unhappy with my gaming experience just to send a message.

Not sure if you accidentally quoted my gif or Puscifer's identical gif

 

[Black_Stride]

LMAO they were going to sell out no matter what

If you have 10 of something, and you sell those 10 things for $20 instead of $200 knowing it will sell out no matter what, who's the retard? That's right, it's you

AMD could have priced it for $699 and still sold them all. So I'm not sure what their plan is here, unless they can dramatically increase supply and actually grab market share, from the standpoint of maximizing profit selling for anything less than what the market will bear is stupid as shit

Also people acting like Nvidia has written their prices on stone tablets is hilarious, if Nvidia actually felt any pressure from AMD in market share they could lower their prices lol

You are betting the 9070XT sells out?

Ill take that bet.
See you a month after launch we check prices and see if supply/demand pushes the price up anywhere near whats happened with the 5070Ti.

 

[Astray]

AMD just hiked the price of their "midrange cards" from $450 to $600 and yet people are clapping for them rofl.

 

[Crayon]

AMD just hiked the price of their "midrange cards" from $450 to $600 and yet people are clapping for them rofl.

6800 XT: $650 2022
7800 XT: $500 2023
9070 XT: $600 2025

Still too much for me, but

3070ti: $600 2021
4070ti: $800 2023
5070ti: $750 2025

that's why the clapping.

 

[FireFly]

AMD just hiked the price of their "midrange cards" from $450 to $600 and yet people are clapping for them rofl.

The 9070 XT will be over 50% more powerful than the 7800 XT, which launched at $500.

 

[ResilientBanana]

oh yeah? What is that?

I'll be damned

 

[Black_Stride]

6800 XT: $650 2022
7800 XT: $500 2023
9070 XT: $600 2025

Still too much for me, but

3070ti: $600 2021
4070ti: $800 2023
5070ti: $750 2025

that's why the clapping.

Also note no one bought a 5070Ti for 750.
Closer to 900 at best.
Laughable at worst.

 

[Insane Metal]

XTs price is good, finally.

Non xt makes no sense, should've been 100 less. Anyway, seems like a good deal if the perf is good.

 

[Crayon]

Also note no one bought a 5070Ti for 750.
Closer to 900 at best.
Laughable at worst.

I'm waiting to see rdna4 street prices before I twist that knife lol. Situation won't be nearly as bad as nvidia but still only fair to compare apples to apples.

 

[SolidQ]

I'll be damned

Also notes from them

1. RX-1182: Testing done by AMD performance labs February 2025, on a test system configured with Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU, 32 GB DDR5-6000 Memory, Windows 11 Pro and Radeon RX 9070 XT & RX 9070 (Driver 25.3.1) demonstrating gaming performance at 4K in the following applications: God of War: Ragnarok (DX12, Ultra), Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered (DX12, Maxed), Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 (DX12, Extreme), Dragon Age: The Veilguard (DX12, Ultra), Resident Evil 4 (DX12, Max RT), DOOM Eternal (Vulkan, Ultra Nightmare RT). System manufacturers may vary configurations, yielding different results.

 

[P:axMagellanic]

Tim from HU says they have spoken with several retailers and said that there is more stock of RDNA4 than of RTX 5000 GPUs.
So here is hoping the MSRP is close to the real world price.

Gibbo from ocuk said he had more than enough inventory to hit MSRP.

 

[Crayon]

With all the Blackwell gripes that came up, amd got a lot of mileage out of that month delay.

 

[SolidQ]

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

So is this going to be a good, quality card? For 550/600 USD? Or it also means I can get whatever was right before this significantly cheaper? I'm using a 1080 ti right now and I want a significant upgrade, but not a significant cost.

 

[Astray]

6800 XT: $650 2022
7800 XT: $500 2023
9070 XT: $600 2025

Still too much for me, but

3070ti: $600 2021
4070ti: $800 2023
5070ti: $750 2025

that's why the clapping.

The correct comparison is the 7700xt (given the 7), so not sure why you're comparing to a past higher-end card than the actual product coding implies.

Watch as they normalize this pricing for their following gen "midrange" cards and then add new "halo products" on top for an eye-watering Nvidia-like premium.

AMD has successfully hoodwinked the pc market this gen.

 

[Imtjnotu]

i just need benchmarks at this point.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

The correct comparison is the 7700xt (given the 7)

No it isn't, you compare where the performance is at, not whatever name the card has.
9070xt > 9070 > 7800xt > 6800xt > 7700xt

 

[SolidQ]

 

[Crayon]

The correct comparison is the 7700xt (given the 7)

You don't know very much about this sort of thing. You can learn, though.

 

[StereoVsn]

I really want to see real benches now, OC options and cooler comparisons.

Got a 3080Ti and while I don’t NEED to upgrade, I kind of want to for better performance at 4K, and better RT and frame Gen (fingers crossed).

 

[CrustyBritches]

You a tiny tom logan fan?

He's an lovely bloke.

First time seeing his channel. I was just researching Sapphire Nitro+, but I subbed right away.

 

[SKYF@ll]

Also AMD said that FSR 4 requires 779 TOPS, compared with the 300 TOPS that PSSR uses. And finally in the presentation, AMD seemed to be claiming that the Performance (not Quality) mode delivered similar image quality to native. If true, that would put it closer to DLSS 4 than PSSR.

RX9700XT: INT8 778.5 TOPS(with Sparsity)
RX9700: INT8 582.5 TOPS(with Sparsity)
PS5 Pro: INT 8 300 TOPS(w/o Sparsity?)

FSR4 seems to work with at least 582.5 TOPS.

 

[Jinxed]

So is this going to be a good, quality card? For 550/600 USD? Or it also means I can get whatever was right before this significantly cheaper? I'm using a 1080 ti right now and I want a significant upgrade, but not a significant cost.

If you can get one at msrp, this is a great value card. People can bitch about AMD all they want, I got a founder 6800xt directly from AMD in 2021 and it's been serving me well for 4 years and a half. It's still handling great every game I throw at it

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Was looking around for some EU prices and found this one on NL and BE amazon, nothing yet on DE, UK or FR though

Lol, lmao even, sold by amazon itself

 

[Crayon]

Y'know.... For 600, I think 16gb is still a little shy. 20 would have been perfect and landed a good one on the 5080.

 

[Rentahamster]

It's too bad the 32GB rumors didn't pan out. Honestly though, would that be even worth it for them?