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Civilization 7 Opens To Mostly Negative Reviews As Players Call It An "Unfinished Mess"
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
Pretty sure it took 2 expansions for Civ 4 to get really good. IMO, best Civ still.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
It’s not messed up. This is the defecto operating procedure for these types of big budget 4x games.
Whatever is missing will be added into DLC for $39.99 each.
When Stellaris launched it was similar; a skeleton of what it is now hundreds of dollars later.
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awwr999999
Member
Allowing the average person to determine anything's value is easily modern society's biggest mistake.
I'm not a civilization fan but crowd sourced ratings are a massive problem and the value of art shouldn't be decided by ordinary people.
duck_sauce
Member
Life has structure and is bearable when you know who the enemy is.
MMaRsu
Member
Why bro
amigastar
Member
Lagspike_exe
Member
How's the PS5 version? Also interesting in how well it plays on the Pro.
MMaRsu
Member
If its unfinished on PC I cant imagine the PS5 version is better. Dont reward mediocrity.
Lagspike_exe
Member
Unfortunately, I pre-ordered it already. Pretty disappointing launch.
MMaRsu
Member
I assume pre-orders arent final and you can just get a refund?
If your in the EU I think it's not legal to not offer a refund
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ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Yeah, it's a dud alright. I've refunded it and I don't think that addons or patches will help. Civ VII is faced with severe direction and identity crisis.
My main gripe is not even the cheap and messy UI or vastly outrdated visuals and mobile-level production values. I don't dig the whole leadership/nations reshuffle and tons of changes for the sake of changes. Just make Civ V with modern production values and stop reinventing the wheel making it more square after every iteration. Just look at Crusader Kings 3, that's how you refresh your 4x game without fumbling the basics.
My main gripe is not even the cheap and messy UI or vastly outrdated visuals and mobile-level production values. I don't dig the whole leadership/nations reshuffle and tons of changes for the sake of changes. Just make Civ V with modern production values and stop reinventing the wheel making it more square after every iteration. Just look at Crusader Kings 3, that's how you refresh your 4x game without fumbling the basics.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
This is a proper fuck up eh.
The civ transition goes against the core game of taking one civ from Stone Age to victory.
I can see what they propose working using conditions like if you settle in another continent before era transition you can swap into a new civ, kind of goals and create tracks that way. But barebones? Nah.
The civ transition goes against the core game of taking one civ from Stone Age to victory.
I can see what they propose working using conditions like if you settle in another continent before era transition you can swap into a new civ, kind of goals and create tracks that way. But barebones? Nah.
MrTroubleMaker
Gold Member
to bad 
Branded
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DownLikeBCPowder
Member
I really like III and V. Not sure what the best is, even between these they are different and scratch different itches for me.
Hudo
Gold Member
If you strictly mean Civ games then Civ 4, imho.
If you mean 4X in general, I'd say Alpha Centauri, Old World or Emperor of the Fading Suns.
Maybe Stellaris as well but I really dislike Paradox' business model.
Facism
Member
bu bu the value of art
Facism
Member
Humankind is free on Epic store right now, too!
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Yep, might as well wait a year or probably two for the game to get better.
It was the same with pretty much every Paradox game in last 10 years.
MSduderino
Member
Is it good (and complete)? I just grabbed it for FREE off the EGS here:
Come grab it for FREE guys since Civ7 is unfinished.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
Poor Sid's probably like "Take my name off that shit" at this point.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Didn’t Paradox admit at some point base game + 20 DLC is their business model so don’t count on the new releases to be feature complete?
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Eh, not sure. I mean they become really huge games so I can’t see a developer working on next release for 10 years.
But PDX pushes this shit too much. So I just wait a year or more. Hell, Vicky 3 is just now interesting and fun to play finally after 2+ years.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
Has anyone tried Old World? That one seemed promising.
sendit
Member
Knowing the enemy brings structure, but in defining the enemy, you risk becoming the architect of a prison where the walls are made of certainty, and freedom is merely the illusion of bearable confinement.
midasmulligan
Member
So the big amazing innovation is that ben Franklin can rule Rome? Lol
diffusionx
Gold Member
It's Old World. By far. Everyone who likes Civ needs to play it.
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vpance
Member
Fun for a playthrough or 2 but it's a very flawed game if you choose to look below the surface of depth
Good but can feel tedious with the amount of tiny bonuses and stats choices. Late game gets bogged down by 1UPT and a large number units to juggle if you choose to go to war. But it's very customizable in game options so you can tinker a lot of stuff to your liking.
kapshin
Member
I heard that, I bought the last Civ for PC and it was a bit overwhelming for me so maybe this will be a way to ease me into it.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
Someone touched on this earlier in the thread but when people are shouting “dei” and “woke” I don’t think those folks are referring to the social agenda attached to those terms.
My impression is they are referring to the people hired to fill technical/ design/ and asset creation roles who have very little experience in those positions but were hired because of DEI requirements inside the company.
I cannot speak to the folks that are on the CIV 7 team, maybe the lead game designer has been on the CIV for years, but for me personally, the design changes made in this game (as compared to V at least) are baffling.
I could also be missing some over arching system that makes it all work. I have not purchased the game, but based on folks who post here and have very SANE opinions, I would not buy this game based on impressions of the gameplay loop alone.
My impression is they are referring to the people hired to fill technical/ design/ and asset creation roles who have very little experience in those positions but were hired because of DEI requirements inside the company.
I cannot speak to the folks that are on the CIV 7 team, maybe the lead game designer has been on the CIV for years, but for me personally, the design changes made in this game (as compared to V at least) are baffling.
I could also be missing some over arching system that makes it all work. I have not purchased the game, but based on folks who post here and have very SANE opinions, I would not buy this game based on impressions of the gameplay loop alone.
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TheRaidenPT
Member
I was going to buy it on release as I’m a die hard Civ fan, but heard so many people complain about how unfinished it is from the UI, balance but the worse thing I have seen thus far is the map generator, that thing is absolutely bad
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Napoleon as a leader always amused me. The French occupied my country, stole all the money and sent people to die in the Russian campaign.
Yes the brave French soldiers used the foreigners as a shield so that they could retreat.
Yes the brave French soldiers used the foreigners as a shield so that they could retreat.
You recall wrong. The games were never really that well recieved by their core userbase but not this badly, and steam reviews for civ 6 were positive from day one.
Didnt like the whole roleplay thing. My biggest issue with modern strategy games are narrative events and things like that. And old world does that more than anyone else.
I read reviews, high and low scores don't affect my dopamine receptors.
Lagspike_exe
Member
It's pretty good. I played a lot of it.
ChuckeRearmed
Gold Member
So which CIV game can be considered the true "end" of Civilization aka the last good game. 4th? 5th?
amigastar
Member
A Video from Marbozir confirmed that Civ VI had a more positive response than 7 does. Although i have good hopes Civ 7 becomes a really good Civ, i wouldn't worry they won't patch the game.
I for one enjoy Civ 7 so far. Haven't played Civ VI much, though.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I see its still not listed as PS5 Pro enhanced yet and its launch is in what 2 days?
Lagspike_exe
Member
I can't find any details on PS5 resolution/FPS either. I have it pre-ordered, so I will test it on release.
Civ is obviously a big game so it's different but the score matters for a lot of smaller titles. I cant possibly go read reviews for any game im possibly interested it. If i see an indie roguelike that looks interesting and i see the reviews as overwhelmingly positive then that's an instant buy, if i see mostly negative then yeah there's no chance i'll buy it.