Maidenpool?
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First impressions of The Last of Us: Remastered (Game Informer)
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You are significant ... the argument on the other hand...
It was still an alternative.
Many didn't have problems with the aiming, it wasn't until such a fuss was made, on here no less, that an alternative was added.
We've seen countless threads discussing "Cinematic" and "Framerate" since the remaster has been announced. It's been a point of contention. They're trying to appease every fan with including both frame rates. How is that a bad thing?
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
RE4 Ultimate HD on PC has a 30fps lock even though it's a 10 year old game that anyone can run at 60fps. Why do you suppose that is?
I disagree with that. A locked 60fps is overkill and a waste of resources imo. Depending of course on the variables and the genre of game. 60fps when the drops are fairly rare is fine, but 60fps when the drops swing from 60fps down to the low 40's frequently, is not. If the variable isn't as large, or ins't as frequent, I much prefer even an unlocked 60fps to a locked 30fps, and more so over an unlocked 30fps (obviously).
I personally don't want my graphics massively impaired just for a rare frame rate drop that might only occur when multiple grenades go off simultaneously, affecting multiple things around them at the same time etc.
Maybe not the hive, but with comments like this you might get stung by the B. Just sayin.
Because -> http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=121247755&postcount=154
For some people, like me, it looks weird sometimes.
Especially if you have already played it with 30fps locked (several times).
Can't wait to play/try it with 60fps.
If it looks weird -> back to locked 30fps.
gundamkyoukai
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Don't think it will be as bad as those 2 , it going to be 60 with some drops like most 60 consoles games.
R3TRO
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I agree 100%.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Then why not offer a locked 60fps?
Opus Angelorum
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Steve McQueen
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No idea, but the option op 30 fps would be silly if it was a locked 60. Then again...some people hardly notice dips, some do.
Maidenpool?
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Not once that I can remember.
Wow, I'm shocked that you would use baseless assumptions to claim a small victory in your war against common sense.
Or maybe that it is a taste issue.
You might not agree, but to many 60FPS doesn't look cinematic. It is a legitimate concern for those who share it. ND is giving both sides what they want. Is that so hard to believe?
grandwizard
Member
It's actually quite demanding for a port since the original was made for gamecube hardware. You can check out it's forums for lots of people with performance issues (which means game-tic slowdown in-game) so in that case it makes sense to have a 30fps cap.
KainXVIII
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Corrine Yu said UC4 was currently running (presumably not always) above 60fps. Which it would need to do if they were aiming for fairly stable 60fps.
Don't see how that relates to The Last of Us.
Is it though?
Steve McQueen
Member
Mmm....I hope you're right but I personally don't see any negatives in 60 fps. It may take some time getting used to 60 when you've played this game on 30 though. I play a lot of games on WiiU and for me personally 60 fps is great.
william_557
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just came to neogaf to post about this dammit!
Well it's very game dependent. BF4 has *huge* environments and was designed with next-gen hardware in mind. In that case the PS4 GDDR5 ram is not sufficient to have all high-end assets in memory at once. The Last of Us was designed with the PS3 in mind.
Acquiescence
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I'd take that 30fps lock if it meant the game looked even better as a result. But it won't so *shrug*.
If it's an issue for people, than of course.
Will someone get Arne in here?
Meh, most of the concerns center on the so-called "Soap Opera Effect" which occurs because of frame interpolation. With a game running at 60, there is no interpolation, so the "effect" isn't there, it's just a game running without the interruption in motion you see at 30 frames. Whatever the case, I - unfortuanately - anticipate the increased use of words like "filmic" to describe games that made the artistic choice to include more effects at the cost of frame rate.
Because some of the animations are locked to 30 FPS, of course. I seriously doubt that's the case here.
Maidenpool?
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It's 5:40 am in California - and for all we know he has stayed up all night reading this thread and pulling his hair out
So will you apply this same rule to 30fps games? If games like COD, BF, Shadow Fall, TitanFall etc shouldn't be referred to as 60fps games, then surely games like Ryse, DR3, Thief etc shouldn't be referred to as 30fps games?
1.21Gigawatts
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On Twitter it looked like not everyone at NaughtyDog preferred the 60FPS look over the 30FPS.
So I guess thatswhy they wanted to give people to option. I don't think that means that it won't a have a solid 60FPS.
Lanrutcon
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I just don't get you people. As long as you're happy with what you're getting, I suppose.
Canis lupus
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Not according to some in the TR threads lol. I do expect TLOU to have dips but I don't think it's gonna be such huge drops that it needs to have a 30fps locked option. With KZ and inFamous it made sense, both weren't designed and hyped to be 60fps games. It was just nice those games could reach higher than 30fps as originally intended. TLOU is marketed as 60fps, ND has been pretty vocal about it. If the fps has constant wonky ass spurts between 30 and 60fps, they wouldn't have been hyping it up. I think the average will fall above 50fps.
Yeah most likely this. It's nice to have options.
"may indicate"
That post doesn't clarify anything.
Practically everyone in this thread has played the game. Technical issues are the only thing to talk about. How do you not realize this?
lol
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
It's like 2 animations. I don't think that's the reason. I think the reason is to replicate the original look and feel more precisely while benefiting from the image quality improvements that come with a resolution bump.
I think the same applies to TLOU:R. It can't be hard to implement, so why not have a toggle that makes the game as true to the original look (with respect to frame rate at least) and feel as possible? You know there are people who like the look of 30fps in some cases. It comes up in every thread arguing about graphics and framerate, so why pretend those people don't exist now?
MoGamesXNA
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I'm mostly joking, but he was just in Spain. Not sure when the event took place, but I thought it was yesterday. I don't expect he'd be able to tell us much anyway, or he would've told the press.
I dont think that's a crazy assumption at all. Problem is people cant get over the notion that others might have diiferent preferences than their own and have arrived at the mindset that 30FPS must be present as a means to make up for a handicapped.
Mark my words, TLoU will run great at 60FPS. 30FPS is an aesthetic choice.
For PS4 in 2014? Pretty much only Destiny can compete really
DC1
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you must keep 60 and above at all times, even when the engine is stressed the most, so that you may say "60Hz LOCKED"
yes, its not easy, yes, you need to plot your entire work around this foundation,
but its worth the fuckin' effort for the player, the end customer.
what I am beginning to get discussed from, is the LIBERAL (and I phrase this VERY politely) use of the "we are a 60hz game" when 90% of the times its a flat lie.