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[quickwhips]

As far as I know the only reason a developer provides a 30 fps lock is if the frame rate has some dips. You people saying the 30fps lock is for cinematic reasons make no sense to me. Or my sarcasm radar is severely broken.

There are people posting the same thing in like 3 threads trying to make up excuses. Any remastered that can't keep 60 fps from last gen means the made development choices that are disappointing to me. But I'm sure I will still enjoy the game but this is lame.

 

[Chaplain]

I wouldn't worry about the 30 frame lock option. Didn't 'Infamous: Second Son' get that featured added during the large update? I guess its for folks who just don't like it.

Your Infamous example was due to the frame rate fluctuating so much during gameplay. It wasn't due to the game running at 60 fps 100% of the time, and people just wanting a lower frame rate.

 

[JehutyRunner]

Got round to adding the screens into the OP.

 

[Lord Error]

well if they "remastered that game at original framerate", then it would still play at 20's range and not 30's

so, it was improved and you liked it too.

Ico was 30FPS locked (with motion blur) on PS2. You're confusing it with SotC.

you think it is an insult to call bullshit with their name? I dont. its bullshit and should be called as they are.
on the contrary, I think its insulting for our intelligence and our long years going hobby, to even accept such defensive statements as correct and true.

yes, all of us, many times we have played games in less than stellar framerates, we have even played good games with bad framerates, but its not like we should acknowledge the wrong thing as the right. and thats what I see that some minority is trying to push (ie "its not objectively bullcrap, because I LIKE IT BETTER like that") and thats bad for all.

edit: and i am not talking about the particular game here, but for the entire notion "half framerate is good because I looove filmic games". such bullshit.

Eh, whatever. In some games I value atmosphere more than actual gameplay. Especially if the game is slow moving and doesn't require some intense control response. 30FPS + motion blur gives a kind of dream-like atmosphere that can look cool. If you're going to go all up in the arms about it, so be it.

 

[Loudninja]

Your Infamous example was due to the frame rate fluctuation so much. It wasn't due to the game running at 60 fps 100% of the time, and people just wanting a lower frame rate.

The devs never said infamous was 60 fps.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Of course you aren't, it's a Playstation exclusive.

Am I doing it right?

On a side note, say what you want about me but I have always been consistent. Watch some people flip flop on the frame rate thing when the next big game on their favoured platform fails to be a locked 60fps, or locked 30fps for that matter.

You've been consistent about frame rate discussions but I think it started because of the game DriveClub and how they never did reach the milestone of 60fps. So you used that as a propeller against Forza Horizon 2 even though one game is much more open world.

I've witnessed it many times how your attitude totally shifts when talking about Xbox One exclusives and PS4 exclusives. It's why many probably wonder if you work for Sony. You will spend much more time defending PS4 exclusives while being far more critical about XBox One games.

It's perfectly fine to have some bias but I think this sort of behavior to the point of almost being a shill doesn't do it for me. I have a lot more respect for NeoGAF than most other sites because we don't see much of this conduct here but it still happens.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

There are people posting the same thing in like 3 threads trying to make up excuses. Any remastered that can't keep 60 fps from last gen means the made development choices that are disappointing to me. But I'm sure I will still enjoy the game but this is lame.

Can you elaborate? Do you have some insight on the engine ND used and how it was ported to the PS4? Was Tomb Raider a dissapointment?

Please, I'm curious about the development choices.

 

[KORNdoggy]

The only reason to offer a 30 cap is if it doesn't maintain 60. Lame.

or to appease the weirdo's who keep screaming about cinematic framerates...lol

 

[synce]

According to Polygon it's a variable 60fps.. hope that's not true

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

The only reason to offer a 30 cap is if it doesn't maintain 60. Lame.

No. Some NaughtyDog guys on twitter said they prefer the 30FPS look over the 60FPS look for singleplayer.
I'm pretty sure thats the reason why they added the 30FPS lock option.

 

[TyrantII]

I thought the hardest difficulty was unlocked from the get go? I was just thinking I might not be able to level all my gear with one play through.

Excellent news of that's the case. Still I believe one trophy is for the hardest difficulty NG+, so you'd have 2 anyways.

 

[Summer Haze]

There are people posting the same thing in like 3 threads trying to make up excuses. Any remastered that can't keep 60 fps from last gen means the made development choices that are disappointing to me. But I'm sure I will still enjoy the game but this is lame.

Making up excuses? People are saying that the only reason that they are including 30fps lock option is because the game dips. What myself and others are saying is that it's not the only reason, and that another reason may be to give players a choice. That's not making excuses, that's using common sense.

Seriously, how hard is to comprehend that there might be other reasons to include a 30fps lock. You don't have to agree with people who don't like 60fps, i know i sure don't agree with them, but you gotta acknowledge that some people prefer 30fps, and that maybe this is one of the reasons ND have implemented a 30fps lock.

 

[icespide]

 

[ToD_]

For the new page.

First pics?
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2014/07/16/feels-play-last-us-remastered-1080p60fps/
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/07/16/hands-on-the-last-of-us-remastered/#sf3729708

Those are some grossly over sharpened pictures.

Edit: looks like that just applies to the thumbnails.

 

[quickwhips]

Can you elaborate? Do you have some insight on the engine ND used and how it was ported to the PS4? Was Tomb Raider a dissapointment?

Please, I'm curious about the development choices.

Sorry I hurt your feelings.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

According to Polygon it's a variable 60fps.. hope that's not true

Polygon really can't be trusted when it comes to theses things in fact most of the media can't be.
Best to wait for DF .

 

[Hoje0308]

According to Polygon it's a variable 60fps.. hope that's not true

The only journalist I've seen that specifically addressed the dips made it sound like the game generally runs at 60, with the occasional dip. No idea about what severity though.

 

[WarpathDC]

What the hell is up with the xbone filter and these screenshots

 

[Loudninja]

I really don't know why this game brings out the worst in people it so odd.

I mean its just a remaster.

 

[BloodMoney]

People is really obsessed this times with this.
Take Crysis 3, take a good GPU and try a constant 60fps experience, good luck.

Too true...
Making sense like this has no place in this thread.

 

[Summer Haze]

According to Polygon it's a variable 60fps.. hope that's not true

Variable could mean anything below 60-60fps, right? It could be one or two frames, it could be 20. Best to wait for DF.

 

[Shin-Ra]

Now I'm trying to get a lock on the expectations for this game, people were expecting this to never drop from 60 like Nintendo first party games?

Wind Waker HD drops from 30fps.

 

[Lacix]

Looks good

I don't see aliasing (hope those are real screen shots)

 

[RadarScope1]

It's an option. If it wasn't included, we'd have a whole thread of bitching about how it wasn't included. It's nice to have options. I'm sure the game as whole is going to look insanely good.

 

[Bundy]

Animations also look smoother on PS4, largely because Naughty Dog aimed for a frame rate of 60 frames per second throughout The Last of Us Remastered. And for those who don't like a variable frame rate, or the way that cutscenes look at 60 fps, the studio included an option to lock the frame rate at 30 fps. Either way, the game runs in native 1080p.

Yop

 

[Lemmy]

Well your console warrior mentality has cost you plenty of time on this forum lately so are you really surprised people don't remember your name.

You've been consistent about frame rate discussions but I think it started because of the game DriveClub and how they never did reach the milestone of 60fps. So you used that as a propeller against Forza Horizon 2 even though one game is much more open world.

I've witnessed it many times how your attitude totally shifts when talking about Xbox One exclusives and PS4 exclusives. It's why many probably wonder if you work for Sony. You will spend much more time defending PS4 exclusives while being far more critical about XBox One games.

It's perfectly fine to have some bias but I think this sort of behavior to the point of almost being a shill doesn't do it for me. I have a lot more respect for NeoGAF than most other sites because we don't see much of this conduct here but it still happens.

I know Playstation threads don't seem to be as strictly moderated as the rest of Gaf, but I'd have thought dropping into threads just to pick fights with other members wouldn't be kosher :/

 

[Hoje0308]

I really don't know why this game brings out the worst in people it so odd.

All Naughty Dog threads are like this now. I'm honestly expecting someone to revive the thread about the Uncharted 4 E3 trailer being real time with a comment like, "See, they couldn't even get a PS3 game to run at 60, obviously Uncharted 4 is fake and will be a slideshow. Have you seen the Chloe downgrade yet?"

Spoiler

I hope Cyber doesn't see this

 

[nib95]

You've been consistent about frame rate discussions but I think it started because of the game DriveClub and how they never did reach the milestone of 60fps. So you used that as a propeller against Forza Horizon 2 because one game is much more open world.

I've witnessed it many times how your attitude totally shifts when talking about Xbox One exclusives and PS4 exclusives. It's why many probably wonder if you work for Sony. You will spend much more time defending PS4 exclusives while being far more critical about XBox One games.

It's perfectly fine to have some bias but I think this sort of behavior to the point of almost being a shill doesn't do it for me. I have a lot more respect for NeoGAF than most other sites because we don't see much of this conduct here but it still happens.

Except my stance does not shift. In-fact ironically, the reason I was scalded in that thread was actually for highlighting and/or quoting other people's shifts and double standards. To clarify something else, in that thread, the two main points I made, summarised, were as follows.

1. If you find 30fps unplayable in a racing game, that frame rate will remain un-playable irrespective of semantics like whether the graphics are x, y or z, whether it's open world or not, whether it has a greater draw distance etc.
   
2. An open world game is not automatically more technically impressive than a non open world game. There are countless other factors that can be considered when discussing technical merits. Geometric complexity, post processing, effects, lighting, textures, animations, reflections etc etc.

I still very much stand by the above two points. They are simply the truth, and it's a shame so many from one particular side were unable to see the logic or reason in it.

In any case….back on topic…

If you can lock it at 30 that means ND couldn't get it to consistently stay at 60 (probably during intense fighting scenes). Still, impressive (and disappointing that a console with 8.5x the memory and 1500GFlops more power can't get this last gen game at 1080p60).

I agree it is somewhat disappointing. I can only assume that the porting process was more complicated than many of us probably assumed.

Cell (SPE optimisations etc) + split ram architecture + LibGCM and PSGL, to x86 + unified ram + GNM / GNMX and PSSL?

 

[Portugeezer]

I can only assume that the porting process was more complicated than many of us probably assumed.

Cell (SPE optimisations etc) + split ram architecture + LibGCM and PSGL, to x86 + unified ram + GNM / GNMX and PSSL?

TLOU framerate was already iffy at certain areas on PS3. But then again Remastered is not a straight port of the game, they made some actual graphical improvements rather than just 1080p, and it is 60fps (how often it drops is unknown)

 

[psychotron]

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Sorry I hurt your feelings.

No really, we have no idea what the average frame rate is, yet people are acting like it's dropping into the 40's constantly.

Tomb Raider didn't have a constant frame rate, yet almost nobody noticed because it averaged out in the mid 50's.

The hysteria is ridiculous and assumptions are only adding fuel to this clusterfuck.

 

[prag16]

I know Playstation threads don't seem to be as strictly moderated as the rest of Gaf, but I'd have thought dropping into threads just to pick fights with other members wouldn't be kosher :/

Careful about this kind of meta analysis, especially as a junior.


On topic, put me in the camp making a jackiechan.png face upon finding out they couldn't get this locked at 60. (Yes, I know there were other enhancements beyond resolution/framerate, but the PS4 has more than 10x the specs of PS3 in most areas... I wonder if the game having been tailored originally for the convoluted cell had major impact... probably... the issues are probably from CPU limitations of the wimpy jaguar cores). The screens look pretty good, but they definitely do look more like an uprezzed PS3 game than anything beyond that (which is fine).

For people who haven't played it I'm sure this could be good, but I'd be hard pressed to recommend dropping $50 to people who have already played through it (like myself).

 

[icespide]

framerate drops to 40? jaggies? z-fighting? wth did they blow their time on....

lower your expectations folks

 

[Fancy Clown]

Can someone get the bigger version of the pic? I don't remember how.

It's already in the OP and screenshot thread

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Looks good
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2931/14645108886_8fb3c19038_o.jpg[IMG]
[IMG]https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2913/14667031945_5946a45e48_o.jpg[IMG]
I don't see aliasing (hope those are real screen shots)[/QUOTE]

Those are bullshots. The released PS3 shots also had no aliasing.

[IMG]http://media2.giga.de/2013/07/oufouf.jpg


Heh the blood on her face makes absolutely no sense.

 

[OccamsLightsaber]

8 years of knowledge of game optimization using the Cell architecture packed into one game.

 

[Hoje0308]

You've been consistent about frame rate discussions but I think it started because of the game DriveClub and how they never did reach the milestone of 60fps. So you used that as a propeller against Forza Horizon 2 even though one game is much more open world.

I've witnessed it many times how your attitude totally shifts when talking about Xbox One exclusives and PS4 exclusives. It's why many probably wonder if you work for Sony. You will spend much more time defending PS4 exclusives while being far more critical about XBox One games.

It's perfectly fine to have some bias but I think this sort of behavior to the point of almost being a shill doesn't do it for me. I have a lot more respect for NeoGAF than most other sites because we don't see much of this conduct here but it still happens.

Eeeessh

framerate drops to 40? jaggies? z-fighting? wth did they blow their time on....

lower your expectations folks

Where was that mentioned?

 

[psychotron]

It's already in the OP and screenshot thread

Oh, oops. I'll just slowly walk away now.

 

[Daximuss]

Never mind any of that shit, it's got a photomode!!!

Between this and Destiny the console screenshot thread is going be interesting viewing!

Where did you read about TLOU having a photo mode?

 

[Night Hunter]

Looks good

I don't see aliasing (hope those are real screen shots)

So, why exactly haven't we seen anything before now? Game looks awesome, nothing to hide.

 

[prwxv3]

I guess Bayonetta is not a 60 FPS game either since it has drops too.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Where did you read about TLOU having a photo mode?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=856168

 

[Hoje0308]

Where did you read about TLOU having a photo mode?

It's been in all the previews.

 

[Neuromancer]

There are framerate drops? Preorder cancelled. That's unacceptable.

Try harder, Insomniac.

 

[vg260]

This is hilarious. People really think anybody would choose locked 30 FPS if the game was locked 60 FPS ?

Sadly, yes.

 

[Nightengale]

So, why exactly haven't we seen anything before now? Game looks awesome, nothing to hide.

Because marketing and press event simultaneous media blast.

 

[Robdraggoo]

The only reason to offer a 30 cap is if it doesn't maintain 60. Lame.

It could also be an option for people who still want that cinematic feel. It's what sounds like to me

 

[Daximuss]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=856168

This is the icing on the cake for me! Holy hell I'm excited.

Thanks for the link.

 

[Lemmy]

Careful about this kind of meta analysis, especially as a junior.

You're probably right, but I just meant it as the impression I get sometimes. I suppose it does read a little 'Sony fan persecution complex'-y though... my bad, I'll try to watch that shit

 

[BronsonLee]

Variable could mean anything below 60-60fps, right? It could be one or two frames, it could be 20. Best to wait for DF.

The last thing I want to do is let the people who don't know how to use their goddamn capture equipment be the end all/be all of framerate discussion

Also it'll probably dip when the bloater barfs just like it did in the OG game

There are framerate drops? Preorder cancelled. That's unacceptable.

Try harder, Insomniac.

HAH! Well played