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[ShaiKhulud1989]

Boy I do hope that people understand that for DLSS to work decent you need at least good internal resolution with adequate stability and with very few temporal effects.

DLSS is a cool tech but no magic. Especially if we talk about 60w device, tensor cores are the main power hog.

 

[Sooner]

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FSR & PSSR has nothing on this tech

 

[Little Mac]

And Pokémon games will still look like 30 year old hot trash.

I wish they would just remake the OG games in the HD2D art style used in the Octopath games.

 

[Mhmmm 2077]

Yeah I hope Nintendo keeps doing what they do best - optimize their games for their hardware and not use all these fake frames and image ruining TAA. Native is always the best.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

And Pokémon games will still look like 30 year old hot trash.

Gamefreak made non-Pokemon games which (1) didn't run particularly well and (2) weren't well-received. They're 100% carried by the Pokemon brand.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Boy I do hope that people understand that for DLSS to work decent you need at least good internal resolution with adequate stability and with very few temporal effects.

Even on CNN model it performed way better than FSR.



Transformer model is more stable, less ghosting, faster. That lower latency is exactly the most impact on chipsets with low tensor core count such as a 2050.

 

[RoboFu]

And Pokémon games will still look like 30 year old hot trash.

what does that have to do with better upscaling technology?


again this thread is just full of salty fanboys not even even talking about upscaling tech.

 

[justiceiro]

It will be very cool when all games on Nintendo platform uses dlss frame gen and upscaling leading to a blurry mess without option do disable it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

what does that have to do with better upscaling technology?


again this thread is just full of salty fanboys not even even talking about upscaling tech.

It's a pure bait thread and you're just piling on the trolling.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

what does that have to do with better upscaling technology?


again this thread is just full of salty fanboys not even even talking about upscaling tech.

Upscaling doesn't do much if the game itself already looks and performs rubbish, i.e. a polished turd is still a turd.

I fail to see how he's being salty as he's not even making an argument against DLSS, more so he's stating one example of which DLSS's benefit will be extremely limited.

 

[Shadowstar39]

The enhanced DLSS upscaler has even less latency than previous CNN model of DLSS. It gets better performances.

Even TURING will benefit from this

No need for new hardware, no new tensor cores. It's the trained model that has changed.

What's changed? So my 3060ti will benefit? if so when and how?

 

[K' Dash]

Yeah that massive bandwidth and raster performance of a 60W 8nm 2013 era hardware is surely going to have tons of beefy headroom for state of the art upscaling similar to a $2000 GPU

is that your face when Grandpa Yamauchi bends you over?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

why tho?

 

[DeepEnigma]

why tho?

 

[FireFly]

What’s so hard for you to understand that a 2013 piece of hardware is going to look like dogshit and will not have the headroom to implement DLSS equally as a 2025 $2000 gpu?

You’re the same guy that said 8nm wasn’t confirmed. So much for your “tech knowledge”. Derp

8nm still isn't confirmed for Switch 2. And Ampere isn't from 2013.

(Yes, it remains to be seen how well the new model will scale down to lower end hardware).

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

8nm still isn't confirmed for Switch 2. And Ampere isn't from 2013.

(Yes, it remains to be seen how the new model will scale down to lower end hardware).

DF says it’s basically a lock for 8nm based on leaks

And the overall power they estimate at base ps4 levels (2013 hardware)

 

[keefged4]

Knowing Nintendo, they will stick with FSR1 just to spite everyone

 

[squidilix]

As opposed to PS5 648p internal resolution with FSR pixel soup?



A lot better

You're gonna play 240p game DLSS on Switch 2 and you will be happy.

 

[cireza]

Looks like absolute garbage. I hope we can turn this off.

Go native or get lost.

 

[Buggy Loop]

what does that have to do with better upscaling technology?


again this thread is just full of salty fanboys not even even talking about upscaling tech.

Yup

Peoples are like wow, It still won't look as good as Naughty Dog Intergalactic or GTA 6!

No shit!

Look at # of crossgen titles though. Having base PS4 baseline with much much much much better upscaling and architecture than 2012 GCN (James is cute to refer to 2013 tech for Switch 2, he's so adorable, he thinks TFlops is a reference of "tech" dating). Ampere cache improvements wipe the floor with AMD's GCN. Let's not even go into Jaguar CPUs lol. Also Switch 2 has modern I/O and SSD, which PS4 had not.

It'll punch way above its weight. Even with baseline PS4 1.84 TFlops.

Horizon Forbidden west from PS5 to PS4 is not even dramatic.

Even asset for asset if its not as good, the UPSCALING is what we're talking about here. You could upscale a Gamecube game for all I care, how is it upscaling and how stable is it.

How can we ever live with better than PS4 baseline, THE HORROR

It's not even a limitation of hardware anymore for Nintendo, 95% of developers don't even have the skills or budget to push like Sony did on PS4. But having this hardware baseline as being terrible in handheld is comical.

 

[RoboFu]

Upscaling doesn't do much if the game itself already looks and performs rubbish, i.e. a polished turd is still a turd.

I fail to see how he's being salty as he's not even making an argument against DLSS, more so he's stating one example of which DLSS's benefit will be extremely limited.

sp ps4 games look and run like rubbish?

 

[llien]

hyperbole-from-the-butt right into the title -
Irrelevant NV marketing slides shown as poof -
PF cited as credible source and not as NV shilling b*tch -

I recognize the OP.

What were his perf expectations from Switch 1? ))

 

[amigastar]

Is there a performance hit with New Transformer Resolution compared to the old CNN Resolution or is it the same? I mean it looks much better.

 

[Buggy Loop]

hyperbole-from-the-butt right into the title -
Irrelevant NV marketing slides shown as poof -
PF sited as credible source and not as NV shilling b*tch -

I recognize the OP.

What were his perf expectations from Switch 1? ))

AMD fanboy in total meltdown since last night

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

sp ps4 games look and run like rubbish?

Compared to modern games? Yes.

720/900p 30 fps is not anywhere near as good looking as modern titles

 

[clem84]

OMG, holy shit, WTF, I cannot imagine how sharper those few pixels will be when I play either looking at a 7" screen in handheld, or sitting a few meters away from the TV!

I really hate this DF timeline.

There's a lot we don't know yet but I always imagined this is the way Nintendo should go with a system like the Switch. To have modest graphical capabilities in handheld mode, and extra hardware being used in docked mode to produce stable frame rates and higher resolutions. This could take the form of higher clock speeds when in docked mode, which I believe was what the Switch was doing, or extra hardware on the dock for scaling and better performance.

But yeah, obviously in handheld mode this tech is more or less useless.

 

[daclynk]

The announcement from last night, the move to change from old DLSS Convolutional Neural Networks (CNN) to transformer model is applicable for all RTX hardware

Even Switch 2 with rumoured old ass Ampere will have the best upscaling tech of console world

Next gen, if a console manufacturer goes with AMD, the other should go with Nvidia, the one with the deeper pockets. It's getting ridiculous how good Nvidia is getting at AI.

 

[Topher]

Ok....so when I connect my Switch 2 to my 4k/120hz OLED, what should I expect? Image quality/performance superior to PS5/XSX? Better than PS5 Pro?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

There's a lot we don't know yet but I always imagined this is the way Nintendo should go with a system like the Switch. To have modest graphical capabilities in handheld mode, and extra hardware being used in docked mode to produce stable frame rates and higher resolutions. This could take the form of higher clock speeds when in docked mode, which I believe was what the Switch was doing, or extra hardware on the dock for scaling and better performance.

But yeah, obviously in handheld mode this tech is more or less useless.

This coupled with extra cost for the dock (not included) would be pretty good idea to keep the handheld-only SKU at a lower price. My worry is Nintendo will think this will be super confusing for people, especially if you call it Switch 2. So many will assume the TV functionalities are the same as with OG Switch.

 

[iseedeadpeople]

I freaking love Nintendo, but common my dude I think you took the wrong mushroom…. Your princess (Switch 2) is in another castle.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Ok....so when I connect my Switch 2 to my 4k/120hz OLED, what should I expect? Image quality/performance superior to PS5/XSX? Better than PS5 Pro?

Cyberpunk 2077 @ 4k 60FPS, Ultra preset.

 

[pulicat]

DLSS > XESS > FSR > PSSR

It's a science and not fanboy theory or speculation.

 

[FireFly]

DF says it’s basically a lock for 8nm based on leaks

And the overall power they estimate at base ps4 levels (2013 hardware)

They think it's likely but not certain that it will use 8nm. But they also thought it was likely but not certain that PS5 Pro was using 6nm. So their informed speculation doesn't count as confirmation of anything. The reason for thinking that Nintendo will use a newer Samsung process is due to the T239 being too large to be reasonably clocked down on 8nm, based on current Orin parts. DF think that Samsung/Nvidia will have redesigned the process/architecture to be more power efficient on 8nm, making it viable. But unless they have actual insider knowledge, that's just speculation.

And yes, the overall power should be at PS4 levels, but that doesn't tell us whether the 48 Tensor cores (which don't exist on the PS4) are capable of running the new DLSS model.

 

[MadchesterManc]

This coupled with extra cost for the dock (not included) would be pretty good idea to keep the handheld-only SKU at a lower price. My worry is Nintendo will think this will be super confusing for people, especially if you call it Switch 2. So many will assume the TV functionalities are the same as with OG Switch.

It'd be funny after all this speculation of added stuff to the dock to boost performance with DLSS etc, if the Switch 2 just ends up using the OG Switch dock

 

[The Mad Draklor]

sp ps4 games look and run like rubbish?

I'm not a Playstation fan, though, so how can I be salty...?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

It'd be funny after all this speculation of added stuff to the dock to boost performance with DLSS etc, if the Switch 2 just ends up using the OG Switch dock

I think they already confirmed the power socket is different. Nintendo would never pass the chance to sell you more plastic, if it comes down to it there will be no performance boost but they will sell the dock separately.

 

[Robb]

Knowing Nintendo, they will stick with FSR1 just to spite everyone

The sound of millions of Nintendo fans knees hitting the ground in disappointment simultaneously will sweep around the globe if that turns out to be the case.

 

[poppabk]

What’s so hard for you to understand that a 2013 piece of hardware is going to look like dogshit and will not have the headroom to implement DLSS equally as a 2025 $2000 gpu?

You’re the same guy that said 8nm wasn’t confirmed. So much for your “tech knowledge”. Derp

Plenty of frametime available at 30fps.

 

[cormack12]

 

[neocycle]

As opposed to PS5 648p internal resolution with FSR pixel soup?

A lot better

what game does that?

 

[RoboFu]

so now the switch 2 is on the same level as a Wii.

Op has got them swarming!

 

[VictorVectors]

I said this in another thread and got laughed at. More than once.

You’re right though.

 

[cormack12]

so now the switch 2 is on the same level as a Wii.

Op has got them swarming!

Nah. Wii U.

 

[Luipadre]

Ok....so when I connect my Switch 2 to my 4k/120hz OLED, what should I expect? Image quality/performance superior to PS5/XSX? Better than PS5 Pro?

2 ps5 pros ducktaped together atleast

 

[DeepEnigma]

2 ps5 pros ducktaped together atleast

 

[BennyBlanco]

OP is of course 100% right, DLSS is the best upscaling tech and continues getting better. Just depends on how it’s implemented.

The problem is Nintendo wants to ship a $400 console and make money on hardware, and Nvidia isn’t giving them any deals because they don’t care. Jensen didn’t even mention them last night and was giving shout outs to EV brands that probably sold less than 100,000 cars.

 

[cireza]

Ok....so when I connect my Switch 2 to my 4k/120hz OLED

Why would you do that ? Switch 2 will stream the pictures directly into your mind. You can get rid of your TV.

 

[Three]

what game does that?

Old Jedi Survivor on base PS5 with FSR and RT. Good luck with RT on Switch 2. This was pre-patch resolution he's using. After the patch that removed RT the internal resolution was 1080p then upscaled.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Old Jedi Survivor on base PS5 with FSR and RT. Good luck with RT on Switch 2. This was pre-patch resolution he's using. After the patch that removed RT the internal resolution was 1080p then upscaled.

Plus JE has an overall issue with IQ even on PC with Ultra and DLSS quality. Not an example you wanna bring up in good faith.

 

[KU_]

Now we’re playing with power!