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Nintendo Switch 2 will have the best upscaling technology of any consoles
- Thread starter Buggy Loop
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Topher
Identifies as young
He is right about the upscaling tech, but without being able to talk about what this really means for Switch 2 games, this just comes across as an empty flex, imo.
Why should Nintendo implement their own AI upscaler without having the experience, instead of using the best and most mature DLSS that comes with the chip out of the box and is free to implement in games? And why would Nvidia not let them use it in their games? A tablet pushing way above its weight in IQ thanks to Nvidia's technology is free advertising for them
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Yup,
60W, 2013 tflops, 8nm chip
But hey we have the best way to upscale 480p to 720p. Derp
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Nvidia isn't giving them any deals for sure
And that's why its almost better
Because Nvidia is basically taking their tech and putting it on a plate with little to no modifications. They offer their inhouse API which is NVN which is apparently very good for Switch so far.
It's exactly because Nvidia isn't making any deals that Nintendo can't afford to R&D a derp architecture that would be 4 gamecube ductaped together.
oh yea, PS4 baseline 480p
Trying so hard
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
Yet you just posted a cherry picked ps5 game running 650p internal res
That same game on switch 2 will be lucky to run at 240p internal res
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
The game that was ported to PS4 and has 720p internal resolution and upscaled to 1080p? Yea ok
You're still hung up that I'm trying to sell the idea that Switch 2 games will take PS5 games without change of assets
so cute
I'm talking about upscaling technology
It's alright James /pats head, yes your PS5 will still have the best assets. I was never talking about anything else than upscaling tech.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
NonPhixion
Member
Upscaling Low quality is so exciting.
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Wooxsvan
Member
money. Nintendo is super conservative with their budgets and i could see them skipping a lifetime license fee for dlss
DJ12
Member
On the basis that my ampere card doesn't support anything after dlss2 pardon me if I call bullshit on your claimThe announcement from last night, the move to change from old DLSS Convolutional Neural Networks (CNN) to transformer model is applicable for all RTX hardware
Even Switch 2 with rumoured old ass Ampere will have the best upscaling tech of console world
Next gen, if a console manufacturer goes with AMD, the other should go with Nvidia, the one with the deeper pockets. It's getting ridiculous how good Nvidia is getting at AI.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Switch 2 Will have the best EVERYTHING until it's announced.
Dead cat in a console box.
Dead cat in a console box.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
The old RTX series just don't have frame gen.
The new enhanced super resolution & ray reconstruction are hitting RTX 30 and 20 series.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Y'all tech nerds are funny. Also, obligatory: "this is CNN".
Even high power consoles like PS5 Pro rely on upscaling now. Jensen's 5070=4090 talk last night was entirely about AI upscaling and frame generation, performance per watt improvement without AI is not huge. I'm looking forward to seeing what Nvidia and Nintendo have prepared and how it compares to PC & PSSR upscaling in terms of quality and frame time overhead.
Sebastian1295
Member
This is one of the most delusional threads posted on here recently. The switch 2 hardware is 8nm junk and we got people pointing to an upscaler as to why the garbage tech will suddenly look mind-blowing.
Joelenheimer
Member
Game freak needs to step it up. They gotta acquire more talented developers.
DaleinCalgary
Member
It's Nintendo, it will be lucky if the initial release model has Oled screen,
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Nobody knows the node, not Digital Foundry, nobody (except nvidia and nintendo)
T234 for SMs and A78 cores has 10B transistors dedicated to them, just them. Even 75% cutoff like T239 is suggesting, 7.5B transistors. Without anything else to make it an APU nor insert Ada backported features. At 200 mm^2 for same node as Samsung 8nm ampere and density you would have 9B transistors. You can't make an APU with 1.5B transistors remaining for everything it needs. A 42% reduction from 455 mm^2 to 190-200 mm^2. When the 7.5B transistors just for SM & A78 accounts for 35% of T234. No audio, no video encode/decode, no optical flow, no ethernet, no memory bus, no memory system/logic, no cache, no camera, no ISP. You have to fit that with ~40mm^2
Doesn't compute
If there was a change of density then we are comparing oranges and apples
Nvidia does not even use full density of any nodes, Samsung or TSMC, because they prefer lower density for better heat dissipation and stability. Falling for XX% more efficient or XX% more powerful on foundry node improvements does not translate to real world performances, ever, because a transistor gate is one of the oh so many steps in that layered cake and certainly not as much as Nvidia as they don't push node densities. On top of Tegra ORIN being wide and slow rather than narrow and fast like most Qualcomm chipsets, and with low clocks are not affected by nodes as much.
RaySoft
Member
To be fair, it's not what he's saying either. The training model is just software and the hard work has been done on server farms. The end result though can be used on all older RTX GPU's. Of course you can't compare it to the new DLSS4 on the new cards, but if I'm not mistaken, there are only one feature in DLSS4 that is exclusive for the new chips. Switch2 will probably sample from either 720p or 1080p native to 1440p DLSS4 and then be upscaled to 4k for 4k sets. Maybe only use DLSS when in docked mode and just use native rendering when in handheld mode.
Zacfoldor
Member
Dude, Nintendo makes better games than Sony and Microsoft combined so fuck hardware. Hardware is a crutch.
Who give a shit if Switch 2 "ONLY" has Arkham Knight graphics.
Diminishing returns hit Sony and Xbox hard this gen. Remember all the bullshit about games actually still being PS4 games and all that dumb shit?
Truth is, without graphical advantage, many "platforms" simply can't compete. Nintendo could compete on a potato.
The only ones disappointed are Sony and Xbox fans this whole generation. Nintendo fans will continue to eat. Please, by all means, anyone, bookmark this reply.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Good thing then that the Switch 2 won't have 2013 hardware.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
It's ok, Blue Rats, your play toy will still have the biggest muscles on the block. No need to cry over another system and company having good tech that is unrelated to your precious icon.
Synastry
Member
I don't go out of realty with my excitement.
Randall365
Member
bundylove
Member
Bookmarked yes lol.
Next you will tell me switch will have 4k at 60 lol
You nintendrones are hilarious
GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
60W device? I'd be surprised if docked mode is even half that let alone handled mode.
More like 20W device...
Kataploom
Gold Member
Fortunately, it's using 2022 hardware tech with 2025 software improvement
You're way too passionate against the idea of Nintendo giving good tech, is that fear or something? You should take a break from internet and take a walk IRL or something pal.
BTW OT: What are the chances that the new transformer model was develop due to Nintendo involvement? I mean, just thinking about it:
- Better performance
- Almost native TAA Quality
- No requirement for OFC for FG
- Smaller overhead
- Nintendo was working on their own tech
It would be the same case of Sony+AMD for FSR 4.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
All the man said was that it is better tech and the PSFanboy hive started swarming. so no its not the nintendrones.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
Edmund
is waiting for Starfield 7
Buggy Loop
You're like the Adams Apple equivalent of Nintendo lol.
tkscz
Member
bundylove
Member
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
I mean, we have to be realistic here. PSSR is good for what it is and it can only get better and better. But it's nowhere close to DLSS. FSR is shit and should be totally reworked for a true hardware implementation (which is happening apparently? wait and see I guess). I really hope Sony and Microsoft go with Nvidia because (unfortunately) AMD is struggling a lot. They can't even catch up with the 4000 series that's really sad.
I hope someone, Intel or AMD, can do something about that monopoly Nvidia is having, because it's never a good thing.
Edit: Unless Sony is doing some heavily customized GPU for the PS6, they have very talented engineer so why not go all out with a big fat GPU with custom tech and secret sauce.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
Saying it’s nowhere close isn’t really accurate though, DF has the comparisons and while DLSS is more stable and PSSR has room to improve, it’s not like there’s a chasm between the two like there is FSR
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
That's a new one
Haven't picked up my switch in forever. Just a few weeks ago I was a green rat for wanting to play Avowed or playing Indiana Jones on PC
But I'll take it as a compliment,
adamsapple
is awesome !Grats guys; people stanning for who's got the best fake pixels is a new comedy highlight
Pssst
Games graphics... have always been fake. It's virtual in case you didn't know.
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Ok for DLSS 3 but with DLSS 4, the better stability and FGx4 it just wipes out PSSR for now. I'm pretty sure PSSR will be amazing on PS6 because Sony is learning faster than AMD and they were very smart to put PSSR on the Pro for "beta testing" it, to get the best possible version ready for the PS6. I'm really curious to see what they have in stock on the GPU side.
Grats guys; people stanning for who's got the best fake pixels is a new comedy highlight
For real, the sooner you accept it the better
cinnamonandgravy
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8k confirmed