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[HeisenbergFX4]

Precisely. But I don't look at it and say it doesn't matter, obviously it's a massive game with huge relevance and people like it.

And I am saying those other PS games dont matter to me even if Stellar Blade sells a billion units, it doesn’t appeal to me

This thread is all about subjectivity and so far the PS first party games haven’t set the world on fire for me

Most of the games I have enjoyed the most this gen have all been 3rd party

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

And I am saying those other PS games dont matter to me even if Stellar Blade sells a billion units, it doesn’t appeal to me

This thread is all about subjectivity and so far the PS first party games haven’t set the world on fire for me

Most of the games I have enjoyed the most this gen have all been 3rd party

And that's fine, but objectively speaking, the PS5 lineup appeals to far more people than you give credit for due to the sales, and the games are ALSO scoring very highly on metecritic. Fair enough, they don't appeal to you, they appeal to a massive amount of people though.

It would not be anywhere near as successful, and would not be dominating the competition to anywhere near the same degree, without those strong exclusives.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Year 3, 4 for both.

On second list you have first 4 years of both.

PS5 had decent year 1, 2 but 3 - 4 were shit.

Yet you used AstroBot, from year 4, as an example.

Looking at the lists, I do prefer PS3’s first party to PS5’s, but Japanese third party has more than made up the difference this generation.

 

[Bojji]

Yet you used AstroBot, from year 4, as an example.

Yes, same for 2010 on PS3. PS3 had a lot of great games 2011-2013 so we will see how PS5 compares.

 

[Raven77]

I'm a huge Sony fan and haven't bought a PS5.

So that says it better than anything else I could say.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

And that's fine, but objectively speaking, the PS5 lineup appeals to far more people than you give credit for due to the sales, and the games are ALSO scoring very highly on metecritic. Fair enough, they don't appeal to you, they appeal to a massive amount of people though.

It would not be anywhere near as successful, and would not be dominating the competition to anywhere near the same degree, without those strong exclusives.

But I don’t care if they would have sold 200 million consoles by now, all that matters to me is am I having fun and me personally enjoyed other PS generations more, to this point anyhow

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

But I don’t care if they would have sold 200 million consoles by now, all that matters to me is am I having fun and me personally enjoyed other PS generations more, to this point anyhow

And that's fine, but most people would prefer the games lineup they have now on PS5 over any other generation which is my entire point, they're selling way more and appealing to way more people than they ever have. People didn't care about Resistance or Killzone. If they did, they'd still be relevant franchises.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

And that's fine, but most people would prefer the games lineup they have now on PS5 over any other generation which is my entire point, they're selling way more and appealing to way more people than they ever have. People didn't care about Resistance or Killzone. If they did, they'd still be relevant franchises.

I totally understand the point you are making which would make more sense in the sales thread on how successful the PS5 has been

This thread here though is based on how people are feeling about Sonys output and the bubble that is GAF is speaking pretty loudly how people feel about the games

 

[yurinka]

Oh, the irony. These two threads together illustrates very well the difference between hyperboles from haters vs factual and objective market data:

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I totally understand the point you are making which would make more sense in the sales thread on how successful the PS5 has been

This thread here though is based on how people are feeling about Sonys output and the bubble that is GAF is speaking pretty loudly how people feel about the games

It begs the question, why is GAF's opinion so different from the overall market? I think there's a few factors, obviously some people aren't being completely honest (warriors or xbox fans bitter about their console failing), some people are simply reflecting their decision to game on other platforms vs them playing everything on playstation like they did in the past (those games are still playable now on playstation and still mean a lot to playstation only gamers), and a whole lot of recency bias or maybe people on GAF are just a bit more jaded than usual.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

It begs the question, why is GAF's opinion so different from the overall market? I think there's a few factors, obviously some people aren't being completely honest (warriors or xbox fans bitter about their console failing), some people are simply reflecting their decision to game on other platforms vs them playing everything on playstation like they did in the past (those games are still playable now on playstation and still mean a lot to playstation only gamers), and a whole lot of recency bias or maybe people on GAF are just a bit more jaded than usual.

All possible

Maybe there are a bunch of older gamers here that just simply doesn’t like the direction Sony has taken and luckily they seem to be revisiting and canceling some projects that many didn’t want

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

All possible

Maybe there are a bunch of older gamers here that just simply doesn’t like the direction Sony has taken and luckily they seem to be revisiting and canceling some projects that many didn’t want

I definitely don't think it's been all rainbows and unicorns for Sony first party - their GaaS push was a massive misallocation of time and money. And luckily we had the Concord failure which made them learn of the true risk of the GaaS space.

They've been fortunate, IMHO, to still be able to rely on quite a lot of SP content that has done well and hit big. If they didn't have all those successful SP games in the background it would be a LOT worse, and I'd argue you'd probably have seen Xbox be a lot more competitive even if they didn't do anything different at all. Without the successful Spider-Mans, God of Wars, Horizons, Gran Turismos, all these now ever green titles that are pushing consoles you'd actually have seen a lot of consumers pick the console that has GamePass instead, IMHO.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Oh, the irony. These two threads together illustrates very well the difference between hyperboles from haters vs factual and objective market data:

So Call of Duty is the greatest game made every year?

Astrobot was much more fun and totally deserved GOTY but didn’t sell more on PS than COD did

I enjoy COD but it wasn’t near as fun as Astrobot (to me)

 

[LRKD]

I dare say it's been the worst console generation overall since the 2nd generation of consoles.

All the other generations had consistent hit games, and/or huge leaps in gaming software/hardware. This generation has had flop after flop, and the same AAA formula we've played since the PS3.

 

[Arsic]

It has been and always will be about the games.

PS5, from first party and even third party, is the worst it’s ever been. Xbox is suffering in the same way moreso even.

At best it can tie with PS3. At worst it will be the worst of the 5 consoles.

This year in particular has some strong offerings to help bolster with Ghost, Doom, NG4, etc. Sony needs an uncharted 2 level success from first party, and GTA6 will carry this gen for third party.

 

[yurinka]

So Call of Duty is the greatest game made every year?

Astrobot was much more fun and totally deserved GOTY but didn’t sell more on PS than COD did

I enjoy COD but it wasn’t near as fun as Astrobot (to me)

People plays the games they like and puts their money on the stuff they like.

If the most played and top grossing games are CoD or Fortnite, means way more people prefer them than other games with way less sales or players than let's say Astro Bot. I never bought a CoD game and Astro Bot was my personal GOTY, but objectively CoD or Fornite are way more popular than Astro Bot.

Everybody has their own personal tastes and all of them are ok and valid. It's really stupid and egocentrical to think that your personal tastes are the valid or correct ones and that who disagress is wrong. Specially when those who disagree are the ones who prefer the most popular choice.

Same goes with consoles: you may hate PS5 and be the top 1 Souljaboy fanboy. But the market, the majority of the people, disagrees when PS5 is performing great breaking many records.

Sony needs an uncharted 2 level success from first party

GoWR, Spider-Man 2 and Helldivers 2 broke Sony's sales record. HFW was performing like HZD (Sony's best selling game ever) until aded to PS+. Gran Turismo 7 seems to be on track to become soon the best selling game in the series reaching >15M. They bought Destiny 2, which is more successful than any other Sony game.

Meaning, this generation they already had several games more successful than Uncharted 2.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

It has been and always will be about the games.

PS5, from first party and even third party, is the worst it’s ever been. Xbox is suffering in the same way moreso even.

At best it can tie with PS3. At worst it will be the worst of the 5 consoles.

This year in particular has some strong offerings to help bolster with Ghost, Doom, NG4, etc. Sony needs an uncharted 2 level success from first party, and GTA6 will carry this gen for third party.

I’ll agree 2024 was meh

I bought Tekken 8, AstroBot, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth and Silent Hill 2, that was it.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

People plays the games they like and puts their money on the stuff they like.

If the most played and top grossing games are CoD or Fortnite, means way more people prefer them than other games with way less sales or players than let's say Astro Bot. I never bought a CoD game and Astro Bot was my personal GOTY, but objectively CoD or Fornite are way more popular than Astro Bot.

Everybody has their own personal tastes and all of them are ok and valid. It's really stupid and egocentrical to think that your personal tastes are the valid or correct ones and that who disagress is wrong. Specially when those who disagree are the ones who prefer the most popular choice.

Same goes with consoles: you may hate PS5 and be the top 1 Souljaboy fanboy. But the market, the majority of the people, disagrees when PS5 is performing great breaking many records.

Agreed everyone has their own personal tastes and they are ok and valid like you just said but that doesn’t make them PS haters like you called people who voted they way they did here

 

[Arsic]

People plays the games they like and puts their money on the stuff they like.

If the most played and top grossing games are CoD or Fortnite, means way more people prefer them than other games with way less sales or players than let's say Astro Bot. I never bought a CoD game and Astro Bot was my personal GOTY, but objectively CoD or Fornite are way more popular than Astro Bot.

Everybody has their own personal tastes and all of them are ok and valid. It's really stupid and egocentrical to think that your personal tastes are the valid or correct ones and that who disagress is wrong. Specially when those who disagree are the ones who prefer the most popular choice.

Same goes with consoles: you may hate PS5 and be the top 1 Souljaboy fanboy. But the market, the majority of the people, disagrees when PS5 is performing great breaking many records.


GoWR, Spider-Man 2 and Helldivers 2 broke Sony's sales record. HFW was performing like HZD (Sony's best selling game ever) until aded to PS+. Gran Turismo 7 seems to be on track to become soon the best selling game in the series reaching >15M. They bought Destiny 2, which is more successful than any other Sony game.

Meaning, this generation they already had several games more successful than Uncharted 2.

I guess I should define success by being talked about and celebrated by many who aren’t just hardcore gamers. Games like Elden Ring that bring in lots of new people into the hobby.

Uncharted 2 still to this day is talked about in how amazing it is and how it changed cinematic set pieces for gaming.

Sales is the result of marketing. Metaphor swept up a fair amount of GOTY nods last year but it didn’t sell a truck ton.

The games you listed are already on track to rarely be discussed again or be seen as monumental or important games in the grand scheme of things. GT7 will be surpassed by GT8. GOWR is a ps4 game don’t get it twisted. Spider-Man 2 was good but a lot of folks aren’t keen on the DEI stuff so I’ll be curious how insomniacs next title is received with the state of gaming be totally anti this kind of shit now. Helldivers lost the majority of its player base too, correct? It was the definition of a fun summer game that folks will look back on fondly so there’s something to say about that. Horizon is also a ps4 game. Destiny 2 a ps4 game.

My opinion of course but none of what Sony is doing currently is taking PS5 games to a new level or creating the same buzz anymore. If anything your argument shows the PS4 is even better than most think.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Oh, the irony. These two threads together illustrates very well the difference between hyperboles from haters vs factual and objective market data:

Sony makes more money off of their cut of third party Live Service games than full games. And they are making a lot from PS+ revenue. They actually made more off of PS+ than PSN Full Games in their Fiscal Q1.

I'm not sure Playstation exists if both were to go away.

 

[yurinka]

Agreed everyone has their own personal tastes and they are ok and valid like you just said but that doesn’t make them PS haters like you called people who voted they way they did here

It is ok to think the Earth is flat or that the most successful console is the worst one, these are opinions.

But beyond the personal tastes or opiinions, the factual, objective, measurable data says flatearthers and PS5 haters are wrong.

In case of PS5, in most metrics it has the best numbers of any console ever or at least any PS console ever. Meaning in most objective, measurable ways of analyzing its performance people prefers it over the other ones. So can't be worst one.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

It is ok to think the Earth is flat or that the most successful console is the worst one, these are opinions.

But beyond the personal tastes or opiinions, the factual, objective, measurable data says flatearthers and PS5 haters are wrong.

In case of PS5, in most metrics it has the best numbers of any console ever or at least any PS console ever. Meaning in most objective, measurable ways of analyzing its performance people prefers it over the other ones. So can't be worst one.

It 100% can be the worst generation for players wanting more of what made Sony great to them/us

It’s no ones right to say to anyone what generation of games they prefer.

Btw calling it the most successful console is by dollar amounts almost like celebrating it not having price reductions as the article says its 11th in units sold for a platform

“PlayStation 5 now ranks 3rd in lifetime hardware dollar sales in U.S. history, trailing only Switch and Xbox 360. The platform currently ranks 11th in lifetime unit sales”

 

[Bernardougf]

It is ok to think the Earth is flat or that the most successful console is the worst one, these are opinions.

But beyond the personal tastes or opiinions, the factual, objective, measurable data says flatearthers and PS5 haters are wrong.

In case of PS5, in most metrics it has the best numbers of any console ever or at least any PS console ever. Meaning in most objective, measurable ways of analyzing its performance people prefers it over the other ones. So can't be worst one.

This take is so ludicrously dumb .. so I guess the most "sold" everything is automatically the best one ... most sold GPU 3060? Is the best one ... most sold game ? MADDEN ? The best one... most sold music ? Taylor Swift ? the best one ... most popular team the Dallas cowboys ?? Obviously the best one...

The only thing the Ps5 is objectively right now is the fastest selling Sony console in the first generation without direct competion since like 2 years when Xbox peaced out.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It is ok to think the Earth is flat or that the most successful console is the worst one, these are opinions.

But beyond the personal tastes or opiinions, the factual, objective, measurable data says flatearthers and PS5 haters are wrong.

In case of PS5, in most metrics it has the best numbers of any console ever or at least any PS console ever. Meaning in most objective, measurable ways of analyzing its performance people prefers it over the other ones. So can't be worst one.

Depends what kind of metric people are talking about. Numbers based ones are one thing. Non-numbers (opinion of quality for example) is another.

That's like saying all toys or fast food are better now than 20, 30 or 50 years ago because they have more sales, when in reality back then fast food seemed higher quality and toys could be build sturdy with wood or metal as opposed to cheap plastic that breaks.

I dont think too many people are saying PS5 sales and profits are junk so it should rated at the bottom. Even the OP's post had to do with games preference, not dollars. They are rating it low because the games take too long to come out and the heavy hitters are mostly sequels and remakes/remasters while generations ago Sony had shit loads of unique first party games big and small and from US and Japan studios. And across all genres too. This generation also had a big focus on GAAS (with lots of cancels), so people dont like that either when they could had made more SP games. If they got billions to funnel buying up shooter studios, they got billions to make more SP games they are good at. But they chose GAAS.

 

[Judge Death]

Smirking Lost Beefcake doesn't seem to understand what people mean when the majority of them say this is the worst playstation generation in history. He'll keep going on about sales like that equals quality or something. Sad.

 

[yurinka]

GOWR is a ps4 game don’t get it twisted.

Horizon is also a ps4 game. Destiny 2 a ps4 game.

GoWR is a crossgen PS4+PS5 game like Morales, GT7 or HFW. Which means it's both a PS4 and PS5 game released during the PS5 generation.

Helldivers lost the majority of its player base too, correct? It was the definition of a fun summer game that folks will look back on fondly so there’s something to say about that.

All games lose the majority of their players almost a year after launch. But some games continue getting new ones or retain them better than others.

Helldivers 2 as of right now top 21 most played game on Steam and top 27 (top 18 if we only count paid games) in Steam's best selling games and shows an apparently great user retention for the average GaaS standard, which is bigger than for non-GaaS games.

My opinion of course but none of what Sony is doing currently is taking PS5 games to a new level or creating the same buzz anymore.

What do you think then with them breaking sales records with games released in 2020, 2022, 2023, 2024, or being the company that gets more GOTY awards?

As an example in 2024 they got the game with more awards, they were the company with more awards (combining the different games) and the company with more awarded games.

Don't you think these are indicators that people like these games and create buzz?

 

[yurinka]

This take is so ludicrously dumb .. so I guess the most "sold" everything is automatically the best one ...

Dumb is your consideration that I said that sales means quality. I said that if something sells more than something else is because more people prefers it.

Depends what kind of metric people are talking about. Numbers based ones are one thing. Non-numbers (opinion of quality for example) is another.

Yes, it's what I said/meant. One thing is a personal opinion and a different one is a measurable, objective number of what most people prefers.

 

[Shane89]

the problem is not the PS5 or Sony. the problem is this gaming generation

 

[nial]

If they got billions to funnel buying up shooter studios, they got billions to make more SP games they are good at. But they chose GAAS.

They chose both, make no mistake.
I kinda cringe when I see people asking for Sony to ""go back to its roots"", as if 1. they stopped producing big budget SP games and 2. Sony ever made one of those before 1997, and on a consistent manner before 2004.

 

[yurinka]

It 100% can be the worst generation for players wanting more of what made Sony great to them/us

Maybe, but I think but it isn't the case when we know Sony's games sell more and get more awards, and it's the PS console where on average players buy more games, spends more money, play more time, buy more accesories, get more subscriptions etc.

That data says people is enjoying PS5 and its games including the 1st party ones, at least more than the previous ones.

It’s no ones right to say to anyone what generation of games they prefer.

As I said everyone has different tastes and that's ok, which means it's impossible to make everyone happy. Always there will be people that will want something else even if they are more successful than ever and if they make the best games than ever.

Btw calling it the most successful console is by dollar amounts almost like celebrating it not having price reductions as the article says its 11th in units sold for a platform

“PlayStation 5 now ranks 3rd in lifetime hardware dollar sales in U.S. history, trailing only Switch and Xbox 360. The platform currently ranks 11th in lifetime unit sales”

These are US numbers, I meant worldwide numbers.

And when I meant metrics I wasn't only talking about hardware revenue or units sold, I meant all kind of metrics related to software, game subs, accesories, engagement (active users, playtime, ARPU...). It posted record numbers in most metrics.

 

[SHAKEZ]

Oh, the irony. These two threads together illustrates very well the difference between hyperboles from haters vs factual and objective market data:

More like money a company makes vs actual perception from people that give them the money.

 

[Crayon]

So how does PS5 rank when including Xbox? Personally I'd say only 360 beats it at this point. One thing to say PS5 is the "worst" PlayStation, but throw in competitors into the mix and you have a very different discussion.

Actually, since this seems to purely be about games Sony has made in house, a comparison to ANY publisher would be helpful.

 

[Negotiator]

Uncharted 2 had convinced me to buy a PS3 Slim (I had abandoned gaming in general, let alone console gaming). Best gen for me. 4-digit hours playtime. HUGE engagement, even with archaic PSN features (no party chat).

My PS5 has been collecting dust so far, so yeah, worst gen by far.

Mind you: I'm not an RPG/open-world collectathon/former MMO (WoW) gamer. For this audience this gen might be the best. Try to understand this distinction.

For a linear/arcade gamer like me it's not. Sony desperately needs an Uncharted 5 (preferably a prequel with Nathan/Sully, not a rainbow wokefest with Nate's daughter) to build some goodwill, because they're squandering it pretty fast.

 

[Rising_Hei]

The Lost Generation.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

They chose both, make no mistake.
I kinda cringe when I see people asking for Sony to ""go back to its roots"", as if 1. they stopped producing big budget SP games and 2. Sony ever made one of those before 1997, and on a consistent manner before 2004.

Well, I certainly don't speak for anyone else, but when I say "go back to its roots" I mean the day when PlayStation was the only place to get niche Japanese titles for many generations, and they had many more Japanese studios and were focused on them. Now they're just chasing whatever is popular and wasting time and money.

I loved the PS3 generation for the games the system had, despite it struggling the most and imo PS5 is the weakest gen for them even though it's their most successful generation. As I'm sure many have already pointed out: most success doesn't always equal best.

 

[nial]

Well, I certainly don't speak for anyone else, but when I say "go back to its roots" I mean the day when PlayStation was the only place to get niche Japanese titles for many generations, and they had many more Japanese studios and were focused on them. Now they're just chasing whatever is popular and wasting time and money.

I loved the PS3 generation for the games the system had, despite it struggling the most and imo PS5 is the weakest gen for them even though it's their most successful generation. As I'm sure many have already pointed out: most success doesn't always equal best.

Sony was always focused on both Western and Japanese production, and it was exactly in the PS3 gen that its Japanese production went downhill real fast, with Shuhei Yoshida and Yasuhide Kobayashi no less.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Sony was always focused on both Western and Japanese production, and it was exactly in the PS3 gen that its Japanese production went downhill real fast, with Shuhei Yoshida and Yasuhide Kobayashi no less.

Seems to me PS 1 & 2 both had way more Japanese games than Western ones, and was mostly known for them back then.

 

[Crunchbox]

Ps5 is the best to me with 60fps for every game that i played on it so far with great resoultion and super fast load times. The best controller and best online features. The best games as well. Elden ring, astrobot, baldurs gate 3, helldivers 2 gta 6, etc and we are only 4 years in.

 

[Durin]

Easily this gen the worst for me, because I regret even buying one if I knew they were gonna port their stuff to PC. I miss PS2 era Sony when they made weirder games + stuff like God of War.

Sony has gone in the direction since PS4 of eliminating most of their quirkier stuff cemented by killing Sony Japan. So now it's just western AAA first parties that take longer to come out, and Sony flushing money down the drain on live service failures barring Helldivers 2.

Oh, and money-hatting AAA third-parties isn't worth it for companies like Square Enix, and I'm just not left with much.

Microsoft now had more studios + Gamepass on PC, and Nintendo has better exclusives with a portable console.

 

[playbignbox]

Easily this gen the worst for me, because I regret even buying one if I knew they were gonna port their stuff to PC. I miss PS2 era Sony when they made weirder games + stuff like God of War.

I sold my PS5, honestly there is no reason to have a PlayStation anymore if all the games will be ported to PC and I can play the best version of them there.

Sony is following the much-criticized MS path with the Xbox, but it's funny how many who say that having an Xbox and a PC is unnecessary, don't say the same about having a PC + PlayStation, when the situation is practically the same.

When Sony returns to having content exclusively on its console, I'll return to the ecosystem.

 

[Durin]

I sold my PS5, honestly there is no reason to have a PlayStation anymore if all the games will be ported to PC and I can play the best version of them there.

Sony is following the much-criticized MS path with the Xbox, but it's funny how many who say that having an Xbox and a PC is unnecessary, don't say the same about having a PC + PlayStation, when the situation is practically the same.

When Sony returns to having content exclusively on its console, I'll return to the ecosystem.

Sony started this gen with better brand rep, and for many the PS5 is the default multi-plat console, so Microsoft porting games will pad out the weaker periods of no Sony paid for games. I think that's what creates the different standard.

I just want Sony to fund more AA and smaller games that are unique, and bring back more IP like Socom, Syphon Filter, Dark Cloud, The Legend of Dragoon, Rogue Galaxy, Arc the Lad, Jak and Daxter, Sly Cooper, etc.

 

[nial]

Seems to me PS 1 & 2 both had way more Japanese games than Western ones, and was mostly known for them back then.

Combining SCEA + SCEE/Psygnosis output? Absolutely not. In Western communities, Sony was also way more known for stuff like God of War, Ratchet & Clank, Jak and Daxter, SOCOM, Twisted Metal, Syphon Filter, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, MLB, Wipeout, SingStar, Buzz, etc. in those gens. Only Gran Turismo is more popular than all of these.

 

[nial]

Sony has gone in the direction since PS4 of eliminating most of their quirkier stuff cemented by killing Sony Japan.

The restructuring didn't even happen in the PS4 gen.

So now it's just western AAA first parties

Sony didn't publish any game like this last year. When is that narrative going to die already? "Sony only makes GAAS now!!" is, unironically, less annoying, even if it's as stupid.

 

[Durin]

The restructuring didn't even happen in the PS4 gen.

True, I confused 2021 with 2019, so I thought it was in the tail end. I still think they've moved towards more AAA higher budget releases than a more varied slate of mid to smaller sized budget titles though, and given the larger dev cycles of AAA means they take longer to hit release, first party or not.

Sony didn't publish any game like this last year. When is that narrative going to die already? "Sony only makes GAAS now!!" is, unironically, less annoying, even if it's as stupid.

They literally published Concord last year from a studio they unfortunately acquired, and their lack of releases is part of why they money-hatted Stellar Blade + FF7 Rebirth & FF16 (Square Enix now pushing for future entries to release multi-plat). Grand Turismo, Rise of Ronin + Nioh 2 are some of the only Japanese games they've published this gen, with the bulk of their publishing slate and owned devs being western that aren't Team Asobi. I'm generalizing it's all western AAA, but they used to own more Japanese studios, and publish more Japanese games in previous gens, including publish smaller western games from indie-sized devs. Sony going GAAS would be fine if they made more good ones like Helldivers 2, instead of cancelling so many...including from studios that have little experience making those kinds of games. I just don't like their direction and genre catelog vs previous gens.

 

[Jesb]

Yes

 

[DenchDeckard]

Such a shame that the fans are so obsessed with the company that they ignore the mediocre output and praise the sales performance of the console as a defence.

Just, happy to be fed shit as long as their beloved company overlords can tell them that they are seeing the best revenue figures they've ever had.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Such a shame that the fans are so obsessed with the company that they ignore the mediocre output and praise the sales performance of the console as a defence.

Just, happy to be fed shit as long as their beloved company overlords can tell them that they are seeing the best revenue figures they've ever had.

Because we don’t think the output is mediocre

Go back to fantasizing about PlayStation being doomed some more, we’ll continue living in reality

 

[zedinen]

 

[DenchDeckard]

Because we don’t think the output is mediocre

Go back to fantasizing about PlayStation being doomed some more, we’ll continue living in reality

70 percent of the forum agrees with me. It's you guys that are in denial and throwing sales and business performance in over creative output and quality original ip that we used to expect from Sony.

Playstation isn't doomed at all. Sales wise they are killing it.

It's just the worst gen, imo for output and the vast majority of members here feel the same.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

70 percent of the forum agrees with me. It's you guys that are in denial and throwing sales and business performance in over creative output and quality original ip that we used to expect from Sony.

Playstation isn't doomed at all. Sales wise they are killing it.

It's just the worst gen, imo for output and the vast majority of members here feel the same.

What I find interesting about this poll is I have always felt this forum has way more PlayStation fans than Xbox fans (which obviously makes sense since PS is killing Xbox in sales since forever)