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Has the PS5 already cemented itself as the worst Playstation generation in history?
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rubenburgt
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What? You dont like your 17 Horizon games and woke games?
Jokes aside, just give me a new infamous and I'm happy.
Jokes aside, just give me a new infamous and I'm happy.
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Durin
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Nah, moreso that Sony has moved over time to more of their portfolio being bigger budget games, largely made in the west. GAAS being another newer vector to reach sales with larger budget titles. They're not publishing as many mid-size to smaller budget titles as I've seen on PS4 and PS3.
I counted Nioh 2 because they've been the publisher for worldwide release for both titles during development. I said Sony money-hatted Stellar Blade because it was initially announced as a multi-plat in production before Sony stepped in, and acquired publishing rights with financial support. Those games I listed are because they're fresh in my mind since I've been rounding out my PS2 collection, and I'd like to see them get used. There are non-western IP as well like The Legend of Dragoon, Rogue Galaxy, Soul Sacrifice, Okage: Shadow King, etc. I think they could do something with at lower budgets.
You're right, Polyphony and Team Asobi would still be it, my bad. I had thought they had owned Zener Works and Game Republic back in the past too, but they just worked with them on projects as a publisher.
bender
What time is it?
The amount of de facto exclusives from 3rd parties on PSX/PS2 negated the need for first party exclusives. That’s not likely to ever happen again due to development costs and how similar modern architectures are but it did make those platforms must have.
The PS5 is fine as is Sony’s strategy given the sales results, but personally I could have stayed on a PS4 Pro and not have missed much this generation. Sure it would be worse experience but if I had nothing to compare it against, I doubt I’d be all that bothered. It’s why I skipped the PS5 Pro and probably will not be there day one for PS6. It’s easy to see why some might not consider the PS5 must have given the Sony’s cross generation and PC/Switch porting strategies.
nial
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Not publishing as many of them as in those eras doesn't mean that they stopped doing so altogether. It's not like Astro Bot, Rise of the Ronin, Stellar Blade or Lego Horizon fit either description, and neither does stuff like Lost Soul Aside this year.
Not in Japan, in fact, nobody was even aware that Sony was publishing Nioh 1 in the West until 3 months before release.
Which in turn means that it became a first-party production. Just like Aquanaut's Holiday: Hidden Memories on PS3 did; it was originally announced as a third-party game in TGS 2005, and then got re-announced as a SCE Japan Studio production in TGS 2007.
Which I think is fair and something that I agree with (but with other set of IPs). I just don't think going to the very other extreme that Sony only makes GAAS or high budget AAA games is the right way either, simply enough because it's not true.
Sony was indeed the majority owner (50.5%) of a developer called Deep Space, known for Extermination and Hungry Ghosts, that was closed in 2004.
REDRZA MWS
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The problem wasn’t so much how hard it was to program for, it was how long it took them to get it. It was way past the half gen before they started pulling out games. And by then 360 was killing them in all big 3zrd party games.
Thats why people voted the Xbox one the downfall of the Xbox console. HDMI in for tv, mandatory Kinect, severely underpowered….. they made a teeeible mistake.
Radical_3d
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Partially your fault.
Bungie
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It's true, I'm not as good as I used to be.
Humdinger
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Strange to see people putting people into two baskets: either you're "objective" (meaning you look at sales data) or you are a "hater." You know guys, there is a third option. Some people are of the opinion that the PS5 gen is weak, compared to earlier gens. They base this opinion on their personal experience with the consoles. You can't negate that opinion by citing sales figures, and calling them names ("haters") just makes you look like a defender.
HeisenbergFX4
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sainraja
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Yup, pretty much. People forget easily.
DarkstarRising13
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For 2025: Don't forget to add Lost Soul Aside.
By gawd, I'm so excited about it. People have criticized it over the years for being vaporware, but they forgot to mention that this newcomer Chinese developer Bing Yang's first game, a man who had no experience with the gaming industry and was inspired by footage of Final Fantasy XV around 2014 to start work on Lost Soul Aside. I'm glad to see that Sony, despite having problems, was willing to stick by him for all these years and thanks to their backing of Yang, we're going to experience the closest thing we have to a game version of Final Fantasy Versus XIII that was unfortunately canceled and rebranded to Final Fantasy XV due to mismanagement and ratings concern B.S from Square Enix.
Such a shame a promising game like Scalebound didn't enjoy the same treatment as Lost Soul Aside because Microsoft ended up cancelling it back in 2017 thanks to their executive meddling. If only Sony could have been the ones to help PlatinumGames with the project.
By gawd, I'm so excited about it. People have criticized it over the years for being vaporware, but they forgot to mention that this newcomer Chinese developer Bing Yang's first game, a man who had no experience with the gaming industry and was inspired by footage of Final Fantasy XV around 2014 to start work on Lost Soul Aside. I'm glad to see that Sony, despite having problems, was willing to stick by him for all these years and thanks to their backing of Yang, we're going to experience the closest thing we have to a game version of Final Fantasy Versus XIII that was unfortunately canceled and rebranded to Final Fantasy XV due to mismanagement and ratings concern B.S from Square Enix.
Such a shame a promising game like Scalebound didn't enjoy the same treatment as Lost Soul Aside because Microsoft ended up cancelling it back in 2017 thanks to their executive meddling. If only Sony could have been the ones to help PlatinumGames with the project.
Negotiator
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It was hard to program for if you didn't have experience in exotic architectures (Amiga Commodore chipset, DSPs, Transputer, Emotion Engine VUs etc.)
ND pulled it off relatively early (along with other first party devs that have Demoscene roots, such as Housemarque), 3rd party devs (Ubisoft in Far Cry 3 and AC Rogue) around 2012, but by then the PS3 was already weak compared to mid-range PCs.
Cell allowed ND to implement next-gen effects (Depth of Field) that would otherwise require a DX11+ GPU (via compute shaders):
GitHub - GPUOpen-Effects/DepthOfFieldFX: DirectX 11 library that provides a GCN-optimized Compute Shader implementation of Depth of Field
DirectX 11 library that provides a GCN-optimized Compute Shader implementation of Depth of Field - GPUOpen-Effects/DepthOfFieldFX
github.com
DepthOfFieldFX
The DepthOfFieldFX library provides a GCN-optimized Compute Shader implementation of Depth of Field using the Fast Filter Spreading approach.
gpuopen.com
So yeah, PS3 was a tough nut to crack, but it was future-proof in the sense that it wasn't just limited to a DX9/SM3 feature set (RSX).
AMD copied Cell's paradigm shift on their APUs (HSA). HSA/hUMA never took off on PCs (their discrete RAM/VRAM/PCIe roots are too strong), PCs with AMD APUs still emulate 2 discrete RAM pools, but these technologies exist on PS4/5 and are being utilized a lot to make the best use of unified RAM.
The thing is, programming is a lot easier these days compared to 2009 (making an Uncharted 2 engine from scratch would be a lot faster/easier, no assembly required), but creating assets has become a lot harder.
If you ask me, Sony should pull a Nintendo and go back to PS3 production values. I realize this is an unpopular opinion, but they could make a lot more games compared to what we have today.
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Humdinger
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I'd be up for that, too. Maybe not PS3, but PS4. Of course, it will never happen, because the fans would raise hell about the graphics not being top-notch. Sony sure could put out a lot more games, though, and do a lot more creative experimentation, if the budgets were lower.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Cool story bro, doesn’t make any of this GTA6 is a PS5 exclusive nonsense any less insane.
GTA6 is basically PS5 exclusive if it releases this year until something changes.
Hell Call Of Duty Black Ops 6 is basically PlayStation Exclusive, Mortal Kombat One & 11 basically PlayStation Exclusive , Tekken 8 , Street Fighter 6 .
Rawbutt Jellybean
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Bumblebeetuna
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Basically
I don't think the devs that wasted their time porting to Xbox Series S/X find it too funny.
Bumblebeetuna
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HeisenbergFX4
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Synastry
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Not like his wrong those games sell best on PlayStation expect for GTA6 since its not out yet.
Bumblebeetuna
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HeisenbergFX4
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
So now selling best = exclusive?
Nintendo Switch is the exclusive gaming console.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Are we ignoring the word "Basically"?So now selling best = exclusive?
HeisenbergFX4
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You’re damn right as its a terrible take
It's not
Did they not just today say that 64% of Microsoft games sold last quarter was on PlayStation?
Only a few of Microsoft games is on PlayStation & this includes Steam & Switch but you don't think these other games were basically PlayStation Exclusives?
Lol
HeisenbergFX4
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Play a game where you are factually wrong, no thanks I dont take advantage of certain people
Last I will say on the matter, its that dumb
I'm Basically right
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No, they did not say that.
They said 64% of spending for the month of December, which would include things like Battle Passes etc too, not just unit sales.
Bumblebeetuna
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So how is the worst PlayStation Generation going?No, they did not say that.
They said 64% of spending for the month of December, which would include things like Battle Passes etc too, not just unit sales.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
CoolBadly, that's the whole crux of this topic.
ShadyAcshuns
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Ask one of the 600+ of us who took the poll, or better yet, read some of our posts for your answer.
RetroGamingUK
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The only PlayStation console with Microsoft games happens to end up being the worst 
ShadyAcshuns
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I think you unwittingly pinpointed the problem: the two modern consoles are way too similar this gen, with largely the same games.The only PlayStation console with Microsoft games happens to end up being the worst
James Sawyer Ford
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Badly, that's the whole crux of this topic.
So badly Microsoft was forced to kill the Xbox
Or I can ask the 70 million plus that's buying & enjoying games on PS5
PeteBull
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Sony has 0 competition this gen, ofc console only players gonna gravitate towards it, what else can they do? Stay on a sinking ship called xbox series and watch phil being cuckhold interview after interview? Or should they watch pixels the size of a fist on switch, or soon to be released switch 2 which only gameplay so far looks below what 12yo ps4 was capable of...
Im playstation fanatic, back from psx days so mid 90s, i still got ps4 at my tv but simply cant justify ps5/ps5pr0 purchase with its 2 exclusive AAA great games...( demons souls and astrobot).
S0ULZB0URNE
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Poll results have spoken and it's not even close.
Kerotan
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Look's like with Forza horizon 5 and the entire Xbox exclusive library in the way that miracle happened. Best ever playstation generator baby.
Whatever will PlayStation do now that a small group of forum dwellers have crowned PS5 the worst generation after 4 years into a generation that has already become their most successful generation of all time.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Don't post in here if you can't handle these truths.
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