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Has the PS5 already cemented itself as the worst Playstation generation in history?
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Glad you accept it
S0ULZB0URNE
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I do accept what the people have voted.
Cool
S0ULZB0URNE
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ShadyAcshuns
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So... I can't enjoy my PS5 games, even if I think it's the worst gen for the platform? That's kind of odd.
Where did I say this? I'm saying that it's an even bigger number of people who don't feel that way & they're buying & enjoying games.
ShadyAcshuns
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That makes no sense. I buy and enjoy games on my PS5, and I feel that way. I'm sure many others do too. So what. Why talk about "big numbers" that has nothing to do with anything? Admit you're just upset that people feel differently than you do about your favorite platform.
Why haven't you reached a point where you can just enjoy what you like and let others speak their opinions?
Spiral1407
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It's not like they have much of a choice. PS5 is the only viable home console on the market.
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That's what we going with?
Spiral1407
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Nope, that's just reality. There's a reason why Series X/S is tracking behind Xbone.
Not once have I told anyone not to speak on their opinions I'm just letting you know that the opinions of a small group of people don't speak for the world.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Sales don't equal quality or satisfaction.
Continued sales does because if so many people were dissatisfied with PS5 the used market would be so flooded that it would slow down the new console sales.
Humdinger
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I don't think anyone is under the impression that a GAF poll reflects the entire world's opinion. We know this is a GAF poll of a few hundred people, taken at a particular point in time. No one thinks it points to an objective truth for everyone and all eternity.
But as an indication of GAF's opinion at this time, the results are pretty clear.
S0ULZB0URNE
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So people just going to continuously pay from $349 - $699 for a console that they feel is worse than all the other PlayStations?
PlayStation 5 could easily get the treatment that Xbox Series S & X is getting now if everyone felt this way.
HeisenbergFX4
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People seem to be drawing a conclusion that those of us saying its the worst generation somehow means we hate our PS5s
Far from it, I still really enjoy my PS5 I just feel other generations had better offerings in the first party game selections
And people still bringing up sales data I assume you have spoken to these people and they all say its their favorite generation first party wise
Far from it, I still really enjoy my PS5 I just feel other generations had better offerings in the first party game selections
And people still bringing up sales data I assume you have spoken to these people and they all say its their favorite generation first party wise
Yet here you are claiming to know how everyone else feels about first party gaming just because people bought this system to mainly play Fortnite, COD, GTA5 and some sports titles
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Humdinger
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It's an opinion poll. Appealing to sales data is missing the point. It's like saying Taylor Swift sells a lot of records, so your opinion that she stinks is irrelevant, because lots of people like her. I don't care if lots of people like her or not. I think she stinks, and that's that! So there. 
I don't think the PS5 stinks, though. It's just lackluster (in terms of first party) compared to the other PS consoles I've owned.
I don't think the PS5 stinks, though. It's just lackluster (in terms of first party) compared to the other PS consoles I've owned.
The majority of gamers don't even know the difference between 1st & 3rd party games they are just enjoying the games. Little Johnny don't care who made the games he is playing he is happy that he got his PlayStation 5.
We are in a different place & time
Where?
But it is irrelevant because the people that like her music is still buying itIt's an opinion poll. Appealing to sales data is missing the point. It's like saying Taylor Swift sells a lot of records, so your opinion that she stinks is irrelevant, because lots of people like her. I don't care if lots of people like her or not. I think she stinks, and that's that! So there.
I don't think the PS5 stinks, though. It's just lackluster (in terms of first party) compared to the other PS consoles I've owned.
Humdinger
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It is irrelevant to you, because you're seeing everything through the lens of sales. It is not irrelevant to the people whose opinions are registered in the poll.
Again, this is an opinion poll. It's asking people about their personal experience with the PS5 and how it compares to other gens. It isn't asking, "Do you think the PS5 is selling well?"
It's just a GAF opinion poll, taken at a certain point in time. It's not a judgment on sales. It's not going to affect sales. It's not a reflection of what 70 million PS5 owners think. It's not a judgment on Sony's financial position. It's just a sample of what a few hundred people on GAF think about their experience with the PS5. That's it. Don't make it out to be something it isn't.
Has the PS5 already cemented itself as the worst Playstation generation in history?
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Humdinger
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And when most people answered that question, do you suppose they did so by consulting sales data?
No. They gave their personal opinion.
... Oh, I get it now. You think that's how they should have answered the question - in terms of sales. That's why you dismiss the results as "irrelevant." People didn't answer how you think they should have, so the results are irrelevant - irrelevant to sales, which is what matters.
And it's true, they didn't answer the poll by thinking first about sales numbers. Most didn't, anyhow. They answered based on their experience with the first party games, compared to other gens. I did the same.
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nial
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I wonder what's so funny about this post?
ShadyAcshuns
. I mean, even as a big SIEJ fan, believing otherwise would be straight up delusional.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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I and most I game with spent that money and feel this way.
It can be my/manys main device and I/others not be satisfied with it at the same time.
Xbox is even worse.
Sony's efforts have been weak and this is because of no competition.
He is trying to police his perspective but it's not working.
Exactly and I voted PS2.
PS3 is my fav but these are my opinions.
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Humdinger
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To give him some credit, his perspective (sales are what matter) is not invalid. The poll question is open to interpretation. You could look at that question, then decide to answer it in terms of Sony business success. In fact, some people did look at it that way. Most of the PS3 votes probably came from people who thought first about Sony business success/sales, not about their personal experience with the games. Most didn't answer that way, but some did.
Which is fine. The OP intentionally left the poll question open for interpretation, so there are different ways to look at it. I don't think one perspective is "better" or more "relevant" than the other. They are just two different ways of approaching the question.
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HeisenbergFX4
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Except the OP specifically mentions games in his post and no where does he mention sales.
No one could remotely argue that Sony is not doing well at the register but anyone who tries to equate sales figures means the greatest generation of games and constantly repeating it just has an agenda to defend their plastic box of choice
Humdinger
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You're right that he focuses on games in his OP, and that most of the discussion that followed was about games.
I was thinking of other exchanges in the thread, though, where other criteria got discussed. For instance:
So that kind of leaves it open. And it becomes even more open if you don't read the OP, which in my sad, poll-creating experience many do not. A lot of people just look at the question as phrased and respond to it. I like to caution poll creators to frame questions as specifically as possible, because most people won't bother to read your OP.*
Anyhow, I do think it's legitimate to look at the question itself from other perspectives, including business success. As I mentioned, I think that's what most people who voted PS3 did - and that was a sizeable contingent.
p.s. I'm not defending onQ's attitude of "Your opinion is irrelevant, because they are selling lots of PS5s." That's pig-headed. I'm just saying there is more than one way to skin a console.
*I suspect OnQ was one of these, based on his shouting of the poll question three times in bold and large type, lol.
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GametimeUK
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I feel weirdly about the PS5 generation. Since I stopped playing PS4 games because I didn't really want to play at 30fps anymore I didn't actually enjoy the PS4 generation much.
The PS5 being able to run games like God of War, Days Gone, Final Fantasy 7 Remake and a bunch of others at 60fps means there was a backlog of games to enjoy that I actually really enjoy now.
I dunno, man. PS5 is probably the worst, but the PS4 is the console I enjoyed least.
The PS5 being able to run games like God of War, Days Gone, Final Fantasy 7 Remake and a bunch of others at 60fps means there was a backlog of games to enjoy that I actually really enjoy now.
I dunno, man. PS5 is probably the worst, but the PS4 is the console I enjoyed least.
Negotiator
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The PS5 has attracted lots of people that didn't enjoy the PS3/4 generations (which means they have a huge backlog of remastered/cross-gen games to play), but many people who enjoyed the previous generations have abandoned it.
This explains why the PS5 is selling so well, despite the lackluster first party line-up compared to previous generations.
Sony doesn't care about losing old timers (they're not your friend), as long as they keep earning money from new customers.
The 1 million dollar question is if this strategy will carry them in the PS6 generation... you can only remaster a PS3/4 game so many times (I'm looking at you TLOU1/2).
EruditeHobo
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You just gave a pretty decent argument as to why it's not the worst PS generation...
The fixation on "first-party exclusives" means that you care about a thing that is much less valuable, less meaningful, and less important than ever before in the history of console gaming. And unsurprisingly the majority of a hardcore hobbyist forum generally agrees. At least enough to click an option on a poll.
First 4 years of PS3 remains decidedly not-great, though... not exactly a bevy of great "first party exclusives" (back when they were more important to have) and was the inferior console for multiplats.
Negotiator
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The thing is, PS3 became a great console to have back in late 2009 thanks to PS3 Slim ($299) and Uncharted 2... only 3 years after PS3's disastrous launch at $599 (I've never said PS3 was worth the price of admission back in 2006).
Can you really say the same about PS5 though?
4+ years have passed since launch, the console costs $50 more and there is no Uncharted 5 in sight.
But I get it: people who never enjoyed the PS3/4, can play the remastered Uncharted Trilogy on PS5.
It's a shame they won't be able to enjoy the sublime MP, because I really miss that era...
EruditeHobo
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Exactly.
And you don't have to have missed it! Can just want to revisit that series, or the many others that are playable thanks to the fullness of the PS ecosystem. In many ways that is maximized only by having a PS5.
But I'm definitely not gonna argue that Uncharted 2 isn't fantastic.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Right this is what I took from the OP.
Negotiator
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I'm not sure how the PS5 improves Uncharted Trilogy. It already plays at rock solid 1080p 60 fps on OG PS4.
Not to mention the lack of MP (despite Sony wanting a successful GaaS)...
ANIMAL1975
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Infamous, The Last of Us, Killzone, MotorStorm, Warhawk, Demonsouls, Ico..... Im with you bro. It was the best gen ever!
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Bernardougf
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Everyone that does not have an obvious agenda took that from the OP or quickly understood what he meant
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Sgt. Pinback
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I fucking loved Uncharted's multiplayer. Incredibly fun. It's baffling that they didn't do something similar for TLOU2.
VeganElduderino
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Fuckin A brotha, Puppeteer too, plus it was the last gen we could actually customize the UI how we wanted too , slutty wallpapers , different themes, mp3's , load pictures etc
Malcolm9
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Nah, this is the generation where Xbox started to port their long term first party games to Playstation. That alone puts the PS5 up in the top 3 
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On a serious note, yes, we've had a little lull, but people also forget game development time has increased tenfold, so we are comparing apples to oranges.
.On a serious note, yes, we've had a little lull, but people also forget game development time has increased tenfold, so we are comparing apples to oranges.
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ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
They could improve the control. There's lot more rooms to improve with these games over TLOU Part II.
Negotiator
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Sure (resolution/fps too), but that requires a new patch.
Will Bluepoint bother with a 10-year old remaster? I doubt it.
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