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[FoxMcChief]

You were likely the same guy in 2010 saying the PS3 lineup was straight up garbage and Killzone controlled like trash

Not once. I have always loved Killzone 2. People bitched about “heavy” or whatever. Yeah, because it made sense. I would say Killxone 2 and 3 are my favorite FPS’s ever.

KZ3 using the gun and motion controls might be one of my top 5 gaming experiences.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

God of War Ragnarok > GOW3
Horizon FW > Killzone 2/3 SP
Helldivers 2 > Killzone MP
Spiderman 2 > MGS4
Uncharted = AstroBot (different genres or whatever, just going by quality)
GT7 > GT5

 

[Radical_3d]

God of War Ragnarok > GOW3
Horizon FW > Killzone 2/3 SP
Helldivers 2 > Killzone MP
Spiderman 2 > MGS4
Uncharted = AstroBot (different genres or whatever, just going by quality)
GT7 > GT5

Time to smash you with 4D:

 

[themonk]

PS3 lowkey had some of the best multiplayer games… I liked Warhawk, Socom Confrontation (although buggy, and Killzone 2…. Then you had games like Uncharted, God of War 3, The Last of Us. PS3 and Ps2 where the best of playstation.

 

[Dafegamer]

God of War Ragnarok > GOW3
Horizon FW > Killzone 2/3 SP
Helldivers 2 > Killzone MP
Spiderman 2 > MGS4
Uncharted = AstroBot (different genres or whatever, just going by quality)
Ratchet RA > ToD
Returnal > Resistance Series
Demons Souls > Lair, Heavenly Sword, whatever.
GT7 > GT5

You're absolutely right. People also want to bring up "variety" when ps3 best games were uncharted 1-3, killzone 1-3, infamous 1-2, lbp1-2(love the series btw) resistance 1-3, the majority being military shooters with gray/brown tones. Even MGS4 was more gritty and "realistic" compared to the usual Kojima stuff. PS5 is 4 years old but compared to the same timeframe as PS3, the variety in games is not close.

 

[Dafegamer]

Before 2010 we got Killzone 2, Uncharted 1+2, Demon's Souls, Infamous, 3D Dot Game Heroes, Warhawk, LBP, Valkyria Chronicles, 3 R&Cs, Heavenly Sword, Folklore, Motorstorm + Pacific Rift, MGS4, and Resistance 1+2 which were all good to great games. It absolutely dumps all over the PS5 library. 3 "gray military shooters" out like 20 games.

And that's not even getting into the niche stuff like Katamari, Disgaea, etc.

Compare timeframes, in that timeframe we already have gotg tier PS5 games already. If you wasn't a fan of the weird brown+gray military tone, you wouldn't love resistance, mgs4, killzone etc. I don't know anything about Warhawk, heavenly sword wasn't even a good game, Valkyria Chronicles might be good, but imo ps5 already got better actual jrpgs in similar timeframe. I believe Rift Apart is truly on par with a crack in time tho, so there's that.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

Compare timeframes, in that timeframe we already have gotg tier PS5 games already. If you wasn't a fan of the weird brown+gray military tone, you wouldn't love resistance, mgs4, killzone etc. I don't know anything about Warhawk, heavenly sword wasn't even a good game, Valkyria Chronicles might be good, but imo ps5 already got better actual jrpgs in similar timeframe. I believe Rift Apart is truly on par with a crack in time tho, so there's that.

Uncharted 2 was a potential gotg. No PS5 exclusives come close to it. PS5 also has a way bigger problem with 3rd person ubislop clones than PS3 did with military shooters.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Uncharted 2 was a potential gotg. No PS5 exclusives come close to it. PS5 also has a way bigger problem with 3rd person ubislop clones than PS3 did with military shooters.

AstroBot is a potential platformer GOTG

Returnal is a potential TPS GOTG

Helldivers 2 is a potential Co-Op GOTG

Gran Turismo 7 is potential Racing Sim GOTG

And there's plenty of other great titles that easily bested the generic Resistance, Lair, HS, etc. type titles.

 

[Dafegamer]

AstroBot is a potential platformer GOTG

Returnal is a potential TPS GOTG

Helldivers 2 is a potential Co-Op GOTG

Gran Turismo 7 is potential Racing Sim GOTG

And there's plenty of other great titles that easily bested the generic Resistance, Lair, HS, etc. type titles.

Call me basic , but I would include GOW Ragnarok to it, seriously one of the best games of all time, action+adventure with deep combat system done right. Returnal is a pure gameplay masterpiece and one of the best playing games in decades. Astro Bot is the closest any dev has approached Mario levels in platforming controls, gameplay and level design.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

AstroBot is a potential platformer GOTG

Returnal is a potential TPS GOTG

Helldivers 2 is a potential Co-Op GOTG

Gran Turismo 7 is potential Racing Sim GOTG

And there's plenty of other great titles that easily bested the generic Resistance, Lair, HS, etc. type titles.

When people talk about GOTG they're talking about compared to all games of all genres. Something like Elden Ring that would win GOTY in most if not all years of a generation. Nobody is going to give you a medal for being the best racing sim out of like 3 lol.

You know you're grasping hard when you ignore all of the great games I mentioned (in addition to the ones that came out after 2009) and want to talk about Lair.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

When people talk about GOTG they're talking about compared to all games of all genres. Something like Elden Ring that would win GOTY in most if not all years of a generation. Nobody is going to give you a medal for being the best racing sim out of like 3 lol.

You know you're grasping hard when you ignore all of the great games I mentioned (in addition to the ones that came out after 2009) and want to talk about Lair.

You know you’re grasping at straws when the goalpost moves from having plenty of great games that have sold far better than ps3 titles to “having a single GOTG” game which isn’t even definable

 

[Metnut]

Most PS5 owners don’t own a PC, so PS5 is the main gaitway to the third party games. The games run great on PS5. Better on PS5 Pro.

Baldur’s Gate 3, FF7 Rebirth and Metaphor took most of my gaming time past 6 months. Kingdom Come 2 about to take another 3 months. Glad I have my PS5 to have access to all these games.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

You know you’re grasping at straws when the goalpost moves from having plenty of great games that have sold far better than ps3 titles to “having a single GOTG” game which isn’t even definable

I can tell you're upset but you're not making any sense. How can I move a goalpost that's not my own? lol

 

[nial]

Astro Bot > Uncharted

FTFY.

 

[yogaflame]

Not in terms of sales and fanbase. Its still on the way to become the best selling console and majority of fans are still patient and loyal. But worse when it comes to very few exclusive and its worse mistake of porting its exclusives to other platforms like PC. Sony should have stayed with there principle about exclusives, just like Nintendo.

 

[Negotiator]

I guess being a 3-games compilation is what's stopping them from modernizing Uncharted Trilogy. What sucks

What?!

They share a common engine, which is compatible with PS4's x86 architecture.

You really think it's hard to port it to PS5 with minimal fuss?

The truth is, Sony/ND don't care about Uncharted anymore.

It's a patriarchal, white dude franchise.

We'll only get shaved-head, empowered women of color from now on.

 

[Dafegamer]

With that said and done, it's basically destined to have the most varied and critically acclaimed games lineup(first party or third) PlayStation ever had(At least since PS2). The nostalgia goggles people have for the PS3 era won't stop that fact from happening. Its Doing pretty well halfway(maybe even less) through already

 

[Negotiator]

Those games being stuck at 1-2 gen old graphical fidelity, no modern QoL and features, and not available on more platforms.

Nathan Drake Collection look worse than TLOU on PS4 in every way

Definitely not, Uncharted 2-3 are way more impressive than TLOU1:







You won't find setpieces like those in TLOU1...

When was the last time you played Uncharted 2-3?

 

[Negotiator]

I'll argue that even Uncharted 4 cannot match Uncharted 2-3 setpiece-wise...

PS3 was the peak of the series, thanks to Amy Hennig (I know many of you hate/dismiss her).

PS5 cannot scratch that Indiana Jones itch some of us have.

I love games with treasure hunting and lost civilization themes.

And don't even get me started on Multiplayer, because -believe it or not- I had over 2200 hours on Uncharted 3 Multiplayer alone... huge engagement, it was the most successful GaaS of the PS3 era.

Does anyone here remember the glorious Subway beta?



I feel sorry for people who didn't experience this MP goodness back then.

No, I'm not a fan of gritty shooters, I like my games to be cheerful, colorful and preferably 3rd person (I prefer 1st person in VR).

 

[ArtHands]

What?!

They share a common engine, which is compatible with PS4's x86 architecture.

You really think it's hard to port it to PS5 with minimal fuss?

The truth is, Sony/ND don't care about Uncharted anymore.

It's a patriarchal, white dude franchise.

We'll only get shaved-head, empowered women of color from now on.

Same architecture doesn’t necessary means same version of game engine, which is internally updated frequently.

Definitely not, Uncharted 2-3 are way more impressive than TLOU1:







You won't find setpieces like those in TLOU1...

When was the last time you played Uncharted 2-3?

Probably 2 or 3 years ago

 

[Ebrietas]

God of War Ragnarok > GOW3
Horizon FW > Killzone 2/3 SP
Helldivers 2 > Killzone MP
Spiderman 2 > MGS4
Uncharted = AstroBot (different genres or whatever, just going by quality)
Ratchet RA > ToD
Returnal > Resistance Series
Demons Souls > Lair, Heavenly Sword, whatever.
GT7 > GT5

Yeah you’re right. I mean, what PS3 game could possibly compete with Demons Souls? I seriously doubt such a thing exists.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Ps5 does have some good games but PS3 era was garbage.

Sure hardware wise other than exclusives but uncharted trilogy and tlou, ratchet future games, resistance trilogy (insomniac PUMPING them out that gen), infamous, sly 4, LBP, Fat Princess, God of War 3 and Ascension, etc.

Like there was still developers able to get out a few good games a gen back then whereas now their first party is like 1 per gen with maybe a cross gen one as well

 

[Ebrietas]

Also none of the modern day GaaS nonsense holds a candle to Warhawk and KZ2 MP.

 

[RobRSG]

God of War Ragnarok > GOW3
Horizon FW > Killzone 2/3 SP
Helldivers 2 > Killzone MP
Spiderman 2 > MGS4
Uncharted = AstroBot (different genres or whatever, just going by quality)
Ratchet RA > ToD
Returnal > Resistance Series
Demons Souls > Lair, Heavenly Sword, whatever.
GT7 > GT5

I laughed more than I should have at this one.

 

[Negotiator]

I laughed more than I should have at this one.

The fact that he compares totally different genres makes me think he hasn't even played those games...

I mean, what does Returnal (arcadey game) have to do with Resistance (FPS)? He's comparing apples to oranges.

Returnal is an evolution of Resogun, just like Resogun is an evolution of Super Stardust HD.

 

[Blackage]

I think people forget just how bad the PS3 gen was leading up to the hack incident

Their first party offering were ok, but every single 3rd party game ran better on the Xbox 360. The 360's online experience and environment was better. The fact Microsoft damn near tied the PS3 and got such a huge install base during that generation had more to do with how badly Sony performed than how well Xbox was, they really fumbled the ball hard.

Post-hack Sony started making their online shit a more meaningful experience and interface for their userbase, they made PS+ have a value proposition with free games, and the 1st party games that took so fucking long to come out due to Cell showed up and were critical darlings. Sony carried their momentum from the 180 they did at the end of the PS3's lifecycle into the PS4(And of course Microsoft's infamous awful E3 lost them the console war forever).

That said the PS5 isn't that far behind imo just in terms of how much I really didn't need one. The list of actual exclusive titles is small, and if you put your games on PC, I really don't need a Playstation anymore. I own like 2 titles on the system that aren't available else where: Astro Bot, & Demon Souls.

 

[wizaga]

I would put the PS5 in second place in my top 3 playstation consoles of all time (1: Ps2 2: Ps5 3: Ps4). The amount/varity of games that I have had the pleasure to play and finnish this generation can only be rivaled by the Ps2 (both 3rd and 1st party). People tend to live on nostalgia but considering the technological leaps in graphics/sound/physics/storytelling it's amazing that we have as many games as we allready got on the new consoles.

 

[Unrivaledx88]

I enjoy my ps5, i mean games could be better but its not dry.

 

[analog_future]

Interesting comparing the results here vs the Xbox thread

 

[Negotiator]

Interesting comparing the results here vs the Xbox thread

XBONE sold more than XBOX Series and they had slightly more exclusives back then.

I think people forget just how bad the PS3 gen was leading up to the hack incident

Their first party offering were ok, but every single 3rd party game ran better on the Xbox 360. The 360's online experience and environment was better. The fact Microsoft damn near tied the PS3 and got such a huge install base during that generation had more to do with how badly Sony performed than how well Xbox was, they really fumbled the ball hard.

Post-hack Sony started making their online shit a more meaningful experience and interface for their userbase, they made PS+ have a value proposition with free games, and the 1st party games that took so fucking long to come out due to Cell showed up and were critical darlings. Sony carried their momentum from the 180 they did at the end of the PS3's lifecycle into the PS4(And of course Microsoft's infamous awful E3 lost them the console war forever).

That said the PS5 isn't that far behind imo just in terms of how much I really didn't need one. The list of actual exclusive titles is small, and if you put your games on PC, I really don't need a Playstation anymore. I own like 2 titles on the system that aren't available else where: Astro Bot, & Demon Souls.

When you have a rich 1st party portfolio, you don't really care about 3rd party games that much. They're nice to have, but you're not really desperate to play them. Why would I play Enslaved on PS3, when I had Uncharted 2?

That's why I've said Sony needs to become more like Nintendo to survive. Nintendo already has better 3rd party support on Switch 1 (games like Witcher 3, Doom etc.) compared to Wii U and I expect Switch 2 to get even more ports, but 1st party is where it's at for most people.

So far they're trying to copy Microsoft's PC-based philosophy, but Microsoft plays the long game with Azure.

 

[Dafegamer]

Definitely not, Uncharted 2-3 are way more impressive than TLOU1:







You won't find setpieces like those in TLOU1...

When was the last time you played Uncharted 2-3?

Those setpieces are great but, then again, TLOU isn't about setpieces and only a small section of those setpieces is actually playable, while the rest is eye candy you can only watch or not explore. TLOU is way more explorable than U2-3, while maintaining great graphical fidelity

 

[Negotiator]

Those setpieces are great but, then again, TLOU isn't about setpieces and only a small section of those setpieces is actually playable, while the rest is eye candy you can only watch or not explore. TLOU is way more explorable than U2-3, while maintaining great graphical fidelity

TLOU has more open spaces compared to Uncharted, which means graphics have to be downgraded.

These setpieces are fully playable (makes me think you haven't played these games)... the ocean is fully simulated in real time by the Cell processor and every time you play the physics are different (objects in the ship follow different directions, they're not scripted).

14 years later on I still haven't played something more impressive anywhere.

PS3 did this with 256MB VRAM and only 150 GigaFlops (6 SPUs).

The PS4 is a lot more powerful (10x) than the PS3, let alone my PC (32 TeraFlops).

It's a shame modern AAA games are rather dull compared to what we had 14-15 years ago.

 

[Bernardougf]

God of War Ragnarok > GOW3

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Pure revisionist history

GoW3 is one of the worst in the entire series

 

[Negotiator]

Pure revisionist history

GoW3 is one of the worst in the entire series

And Cory Barlog is 100 times better than David Jaffe, eh?

I really miss David Jaffe (before he became woke) and CliffyB (same)... even Gears of War declined.

The PS3/XBOX360 era was something else, the devs had guts and spoke their mind freely.

The good ol' Jaffe:

Jaffe Defends PSP2 like 'Fresh Pussy" Comment

Look everybody, let's all just chillax, yeah? - David Scott Jaffe of God of War and Twisted Metal (the reboot, re-hash, whatever) has come out in defence of David Scott Jaffe's statement that Sony's new portable...click for more

spong.com

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

And Cory Barlog is 100 times better than David Jaffe, eh?

Yes, GoW2 > GoW1

 

[VeganElduderino]

Im pretty sure all the hate for ps3 is because you guys were fan of the 360 during those days! Just Uncharted 1-3, GoW3 , Motorstorm 1-3, Infamous 1-2, Little big planet etc etc is enough to put the ps3 in top 3 best sony generation, I mean we do buy consoles for games right!?

 

[EruditeHobo]

The problem is tying how successful a gen is by exclusives in 2025. Makes no sense when clearly Sony isn't into that when costs of their games are about 200M dollars.

It's idiotic... might as well judge Sony by how many good cartoonish artstyles with platformer elements they have in comparison to Nintendo.

Also holding up Nintendo's million sellers which include a glut of Pokemon, Mario Party, Miiverse or exercise games, or Mario plays badminton or whatever is also hilarious. Like, who gives a shit.

 

[Negotiator]

Im pretty sure all the hate for ps3 is because you guys were fan of the 360 during those days! Just Uncharted 1-3, GoW3 , Motorstorm 1-3, Infamous 1-2, Little big planet etc etc is enough to put the ps3 in top 3 best sony generation, I mean we do buy consoles for games right!?

Millions of former XBOX 360 gamers migrated to PS4 after the Xbone fiasco, so, yeah... the exact same guys parroted "PS3 haz no gamez".

According to data given to Re/code, Nielsen surveyed 1,200 gamers from age 7 to 54 and found that 31 percent, almost a third, bought a PS4 after owning an Xbox 360 or Wii, but not a PS3.

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/insert...-of-ps4-owners-switched-from-xbox-360-or-wii/

I feel like the PS brand has been tarnished irrevocably, the audience has changed too much and Sony panders to these people.

 

[VeganElduderino]

Millions of former XBOX 360 gamers migrated to PS4 after the Xbone fiasco, so, yeah... the exact same guys parroted "PS3 haz no gamez".

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/insert...-of-ps4-owners-switched-from-xbox-360-or-wii/

I feel like the PS brand has been tarnished irrevocably, the audience has changed too much and Sony panders to these people.

I had a 360 and I migrated to ps3 after I had my 3rd red ring bullshit and plus I was getting tired of 1st person shooters on 360, I got a used ps3 and Uncharted and never looked back!

 

[Dafegamer]

I can tell you're upset but you're not making any sense. How can I move a goalpost that's not my own? lol

I think the initial goalpost was the "creativity" thing. You might like ps3, but you'd be lying if the defining genre in that era wasn't gray/brown military themed shooters or games. The creativity compared to GAAS I mean, which turned into you rather saying people would play those gray shooters instead of todays GAAS. Again GAAS nowadays is many things, having releases in wide variety of game genres

 

[Negotiator]

I think the initial goalpost was the "creativity" thing. You might like ps3, but you'd be lying if the defining genre in that era wasn't gray/brown military themed shooters or games. The creativity compared to GAAS I mean, which turned into you rather saying people would play those gray shooters instead of todays GAAS. Again GAAS nowadays is many things, having releases in wide variety of game genres

Battle Royale, Battle Royale, Battle Royale...

Even TLOU2 Factions would follow the BR template.

Not to mention modern MP games have to pander to LGBT folks. They're not gray/brown anymore, sure, but when I say I like colorful games (like Uncharted), I don't mean chock full of blue-haired girls and rainbow flags waving around.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

I think the initial goalpost was the "creativity" thing. You might like ps3, but you'd be lying if the defining genre in that era wasn't gray/brown military themed shooters or games. The creativity compared to GAAS I mean, which turned into you rather saying people would play those gray shooters instead of todays GAAS. Again GAAS nowadays is many things, having releases in wide variety of game genres

No goalposts were moved. PS3 had a diverse library while PS5 has significantly narrowed it's focus.

I literally listed you over 20 good to great games from before 2010 (the date you picked) and only 3 were military shooters.

Where did I say the bold?

 

[GigaBowser]

PS3 the best how doos it have second votes sales??

 

[hououinkyouma00]

God of War Ragnarok > GOW3
Horizon FW > Killzone 2/3 SP
Helldivers 2 > Killzone MP
Spiderman 2 > MGS4
Uncharted = AstroBot (different genres or whatever, just going by quality)
Ratchet RA > ToD
Returnal > Resistance Series
Demons Souls > Lair, Heavenly Sword, whatever.
GT7 > GT5

Ugh.

OG GoW Trilogy is all better then modern GoW
Horizon FW is ass in everything but graphics. Not even close.
Killzone MP is some of my favorite online of all time.
MGS4 is better then Spiderman but despite thinking Spiderman is lame as fuck I still love the 3 games we've gotten.
I think Uncharted is better but Astro Bot was amazing.
Resistance is underrated and I didn't like returnal that much
You're right for sure on this even if I don't like any of them.
GT7 is better then GT5, but I'm a GT6 apologist and think it's better then both.

This all comes down to preferences though of course. PS3 is my favorite PS console besides 2.

 

[GigaBowser]

ps3
ps2
ps1
ps4
ps5

 

[Vaquilla]

PS3 gen rocked cos AAA games weren't so watered down to appeal to the broadest possible demographic the way they are now, you had games with real bite, over the top violence, power fantasy, machismo, all that good stuff that we don't get so much nowadays.

Also, games weren't so homogenous or riddled with microtransactions, bugs, and padding.

There's still great games in the current gen, of course, don't get me wrong, but the standard was definitely higher in the 7th gen, IMHO anyway.

 

[Bernardougf]

Pure revisionist history

GoW3 is one of the worst in the entire series

 

[//DEVIL//]

God of War Ragnarok > GOW3
Horizon FW > Killzone 2/3 SP
Helldivers 2 > Killzone MP
Spiderman 2 > MGS4
Uncharted = AstroBot (different genres or whatever, just going by quality)
Ratchet RA > ToD
Returnal > Resistance Series

For the love of god. stop posting

everything above is the other way around its not even funny as a joke.

 

[Bernardougf]

For the love of god. stop posting

everything above is the other way around its not even funny as a joke.

Damn I didnt even see SM2>MGS4 lol ... thats Senjutsage levels of insanity