VeganElduderino
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Nice! Yeah I still have my original Ps3, plus it's super easy to jailbreak
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Has the PS5 already cemented itself as the worst Playstation generation in history?
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ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I doubt so too. Bringing an old games onto modern platform is harder than bringing a newer games to modern platform.
Negotiator
Member
It's not that hard (the hard part was translating hand-written SPU assembly to GPGPU compute shaders), it's a matter of willingness.
TLOU1 (PS3 game) has had a PS4 remaster and a PS5 remake so far...
ANIMAL1975
Member
And 3D man, fuck, im not ashamed to say it _ i bought a fricking Sony 3D television to play Killzone 3 in fucking 3D and it was awesome! Fock the naysayers!
It was the best gen that brought us multiplayer,,,, and Home, i miss fucking Home.
Negotiator
Member
PS Home would have been a perfect Metaverse GaaS for Sony and even PSVR2.
Sony execs are 100% clueless when it comes to proper GaaS development...
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
TLOU have a PS4 remaster, which facilitate the PS5 remake.
PS4 remaster have updated API and engine to work with.
Negotiator
Member
Uncharted Trilogy is a PS4 remaster.
Negotiator
Member
I know people will hate me for this, but here we go:
Source: https://nintendoeverything.com/nint...ty-million-sellers-of-any-gaming-system-ever/
Source: https://nintendoeverything.com/nint...ty-million-sellers-of-any-gaming-system-ever/
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Considering we are what about half way through the PS5 cycle they better really pump out a lot of bangers in the second half to catch the PS3 and 4I know people will hate me for this, but here we go:
Source: https://nintendoeverything.com/nint...ty-million-sellers-of-any-gaming-system-ever/
I made a thread about that and people claimed 5 was too low because of cross gen and PC games like Gow:R and Helldivers 2.I know people will hate me for this, but here we go:
Source: https://nintendoeverything.com/nint...ty-million-sellers-of-any-gaming-system-ever/
I think those 5 are the 5 first party solely exclusive PS5 games but others want to claim combined sales to make it look less bad.
Either way it’s below PS4.
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MoreJRPG
Suffers from extreme PDS
Sony has done a great job of pushing a lot of their consumers to PC in the PS5 era. The brand is actually dead in Japan and the live service push has been a complete failure. First party single player is effectively dead this gen, yet Nintendo and even Xbox are pumping out 3-4x the amount of first party single player content which was unfathomable just a few years ago.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
So Ratchet, Demon Souls, Spiderman 2, Helldivers 2, and Astrobot?I know people will hate me for this, but here we go:
Source: https://nintendoeverything.com/nint...ty-million-sellers-of-any-gaming-system-ever/
Sounds about right. last gen, they had KZSF, Infamous, DriveClub, Bloodborne, Ratchet, Uncharted 4, Horizon ZD, GT Sports and Uncharted Lost Legacy. So they are basically half way behind.
With Ghosts, Death Stranding 2, Wolverine, Intergallactic and Horizon 3 as the only other games set to come out this gen, its entirely possible they end up with 10 million sellers. By far the worst.
Also, lol at PS3 with 21 million sellers and 28% of gaf nominating it as the worst gen. A bunch of fake PS fans. True PS fans know just how amazing that gen was for sony first party.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I know people will hate me for this, but here we go:
Source: https://nintendoeverything.com/nint...ty-million-sellers-of-any-gaming-system-ever/
5?
Gran Turismo 7
God of War Ragnarok
Spider-Man Miles Morales
Spider-Man 2
Horizon Forbidden West
Astro Bot
Basically every MLB The Show game
Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart
Returnal
and not sure if this is including games like
Helldivers 2
Rise of the Ronin
Stellar Blade
five lol...
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I still own my ps3. Classic console. Rough start but they pulled it back.
Are they counting Wii U games that was ported to Switch & the HD remakes?I know people will hate me for this, but here we go:
Source: https://nintendoeverything.com/nint...ty-million-sellers-of-any-gaming-system-ever/
If so why is games like The Last of Us Part I being removed from PS5?
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Obviously.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Man I used to download themes for my PS3.
Consoles are fucking boring now. Glad I jumped to PC.
Consoles are fucking boring now. Glad I jumped to PC.
Negotiator
Member
Yesterday I tried SteamVR Home for the first time with PSVR2...
It felt like going 15+ years back, when the PS3 had PS Home. Honestly, it felt like next-gen PS Home on steroids!
I've said it before: Sony is dumb for abandoning PS Home.
It would have been a killer GaaS, especially for PSVR2.
Too bad they don't realize it... even though they're desperate to have a successful GaaS.
That's how I feel too.
PS3 old-timers are being pushed to PC.
You don't want my money Sony? Fine, Valve will get it.
Don't forget the traditional gaming market/pie is a zero-sum game (minus mobile which is expanding).
Home consoles aren't expanding, they're contracting, which means they're bleeding customers to greener pastures.
PS6 will be a huge rude wake-up call for everyone, especially if Sony manages to fuck it up beyond belief (2 SKUs, expensive Blu-Ray add-on, $100 games).
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fallingdove
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The list has already been debunked. Nice try though.I know people will hate me for this, but here we go:
Source: https://nintendoeverything.com/nint...ty-million-sellers-of-any-gaming-system-ever/
- PS5 list incomplete
- Suspected that cross platform games or remakes are being counted for other platforms and not for Sony consoles
The characterization that the PS5 is the worst Sony console is greatly exaggerated. It’s just kind of average at this point and that’s largely due to Jim Ryan GaaS blunders within the last year. There are still lots of solid 1st party games on the platform.
MoreJRPG
Suffers from extreme PDS
Yep, the numbers speak for themselves. PS5 hardware is down double digits YoY. People are just going from PS4 straight into PC for the AAA experience or just leaving gaming altogether as they definitely aren’t going to Xbox given how dire their numbers are currently.
Dafegamer
Member
Now look at its overall support from other devs apart from first party(make no mistake I even think overall ps5 fp were better too in acclaim and fun factor, but I know this is opinionated)
poodaddy
Member
Man, I adamantly disagree with you on a lot, but your love and admiration for the PS3 means we're bros no matter how much we differ elsewhere. The PS3 was a fucking incredible library for me. I got it after the 360 and ended up liking it more. Yeah, the 3rd party games were usually a bit worse, but nothing ANYWHERE at the time of Uncharted 2's release was doing anything like that game did. PS3's exclusives were well and truly incredible. Not just technically far beyond competent, especially with such an odd duck architecture, but they were legitimately unique and interesting too, and just fuckin fun.
Tokyo Jungle? Yes please
3D Dot Heroes? I'll have seconds if they're available.
Best version of Castlevania Harmony of Despair? Yeah it's here.
Watershed moments for the industry like Last of Us and Uncharted 2? Yup.
Best backwards compatible library of any Sony console to date? Double yup.
Pushed new standards with motion controls that were actually useful/fun and didn't feel gimmicky like Wii stuff too.
I mean....it's still one of the absolute best consoles Sony's ever made if you look at what it was at the end of that generation. I can't understand how someone could legitimately believe it had a bad library or that Sony wasn't catering, hell, pandering really, to gamers in the last five years of that gen.
It was a great time for Sony....I wish they were managed now like they were then.
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Tiago Rodrigues
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The problem is tying how successful a gen is by exclusives in 2025. Makes no sense when clearly Sony isn't into that when costs of their games are about 200M dollars.I know people will hate me for this, but here we go:
Source: https://nintendoeverything.com/nint...ty-million-sellers-of-any-gaming-system-ever/
Nintendo is another beast simply because of two things:
- Didn't chase the realistic graphics making their games way cheaper;
- Cost of game development in Japan are cheaper than in America and Europe which is where Sony has most studios.
Sony has their hands tied at the moment. It's not like they can suddenly only give us games like Astrobot. Imagine that. But they also can't stop giving us more realistic games. They tried to chase the live games obsession and realized that was leading them nowhere long term so they are correcting that. But at what cost? Probably most of the rest of this "gen".
We really need to stop thinking about generations specially since once the PS6 releases we will have an even bigger cross-gen period...then what? Will you guys say it's a worse gen than the PS5 only because of that?
If so maybe consoles aren't for everyone "old school" nowadays.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
If nothing else, this generation is helping me catch up on my backlog.
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Rawbutt Jellybean
Member
Far worse. PS3 had a huge library with every genre well represented. Now most of their games follow the same boring formula and their priority is milking the gaas whales. Scrappy Sony > Arrogant SonyWorse than PS3????
Negotiator
Member
Yes, Sony should be more like Nintendo. Not just Astrobot, but even games like Splatoon... Sony had Uncharted 2-3 MP back in the PS3 era (in case you were wondering about Splatoon's MP inspiration).
Sony doesn't know how to chase the GaaS train right. Games like Uncharted 3 Multiplayer and PlayStation Home would flourish under a GaaS model. I get it, you weren't here during the PS3 generation (btw, I'm also not fond of the new age/sentimental Kratos, I prefer the brutal/mindless Kratos of the PS2-3 era).
No, I don't want to play yet another cinematic drama (sad dad with kid companion). It was fun back in 2013 (TLOU1 release), but when you do one thing so many times, it becomes tiring after a while, don't you think? I don't want Sony to be a one pony trick.
The real world/life has enough drama as it is, I want my gaming life to be more colorful and cheerful (you know, like Uncharted 2). Gaming is meant to be escapism, not a simulation of the grim, harsh reality, but maybe that's just me.
And no, I'm not paying $799-€899 for a PS6 in 2027-2028, let alone for a discless model. I'm talking about the full fat model, because they will surely also release a cheaper SKU (whether it's a portable/Switch 2 wannabe, or XSS wannabe).
There's a reason PS5 Pro is so expensive (they're testing the waters for next-gen pricing).
Even nVidia's RTX 5070 @ $549 seems like a bargain compared to PS5 Pro.
I will admit PS5 and XSX were worth the price of admission ($499) back in 2020, but 5 years later we expected more.
If Sony no longer wants old school console gamers, that's fine, I'll accept it, but keep in mind that old school dinosaurs like me tend to also influence others when it comes to purchasing decisions.
I know, because I convinced lots of people to buy the PS3 during turbulent times and the PS4 later on.
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The worst was ps2. That system was only good for final fantasy, kingdom hearts, and playing dvds. Also unreliable as hell (remember disc read errors?).
The best gen was the ps3. Best first party output by far with stuff like killzone 2, warhawk, uncharted trilogy, etc. We still had a ton of variety back then, many different developers doing their own thing instead of everyone copying the same basic trend, and dev time while being a bit longer than prior generations still wasn't as ludicrous as it is these days. Also a huge tech leap over the prior console, probably the biggest hardware leap in playstation history. You can plug in a ps3 today and it will still feel like a modern device. As opposed to a ps2 which might as well be from the stone age.
The best gen was the ps3. Best first party output by far with stuff like killzone 2, warhawk, uncharted trilogy, etc. We still had a ton of variety back then, many different developers doing their own thing instead of everyone copying the same basic trend, and dev time while being a bit longer than prior generations still wasn't as ludicrous as it is these days. Also a huge tech leap over the prior console, probably the biggest hardware leap in playstation history. You can plug in a ps3 today and it will still feel like a modern device. As opposed to a ps2 which might as well be from the stone age.
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Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
Agreed 100%. The PS3 had a very rough start, but basically from Uncharted on it was all gas no brakes. Especially after the price cut.
Negotiator
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PS2 and PS3 are kinda like dial-up vs broadband (ADSL). Analog vs digital.
Composite/SCART vs HDMI make a huge difference alone. It was a huge leap that we will never experience again in our lifetimes.
There are 3 types of people:
1) Those who got it in 2006-2007 (overpriced, lack of games, risk of YLOD). It left a sour taste in their mouth.
2) Those who got it in 2009-2010 (decent price, tons of exclusives that made full use of the Cell processor, Slim SKU not prone to YLOD). They still praise PS3 to this very day.
3) Those who never, ever experienced the PS3 goodness and humble Sony.
Unfortunately first impression matters a lot for many people, so the "PS3 haz no gamez" meme persisted quite a lot.
Even to this very day many people still think Cell was a scam, a marketing tactic like blast processing and not something that exists even today in a different form (heterogeneous processing in APUs, CUDA).
You know, kinda like dinosaurs that exist today in the form of chickens. Nobody is impressed by chickens though, but we (should) know their roots stem from dinosaurs.
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Dafegamer
Member
PS3 hardly had support apart from its own FP. Also lost a huge chunk of the support PlayStation had from ps2 to xbox 360. I know Neogaf and all but people need to refrain from daily
I also checked Wikipedia in entries. It says PS3 has approximately 2400+ games on the system, which is abysmal given when it launched. Ps4 has 3400+ and ps5 has 850+ in comparison
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Omnipunctual Godot
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Yep, I'd fall into #2. Would've never thought I'd be buying a Microsoft console before the disaster that was the PS3 reveal. That's when I ended up buying a Gears of War bundle. Didn't even think about owning a PS3 until the price cut and Uncharted.PS2 and PS3 are kinda like dial-up vs broadband (ADSL). Analog vs digital.
Composite/SCART vs HDMI make a huge difference alone. It was a huge leap that we will never experience again in our lifetimes.
There are 3 types of people:
1) Those who got it in 2006-2007 (overpriced, lack of games, risk of YLOD). It left a sour taste in their mouth.
2) Those who got it in 2009-2010 (decent price, tons of exclusives that made full use of the Cell processor, Slim SKU not prone to YLOD). They still praise PS3 to this very day.
3) Those who never, ever experienced the PS3 goodness and humble Sony.
Unfortunately first impression matters a lot for many people, so the "PS3 haz no gamez" meme persisted quite a lot.
Even to this very day many people still think Cell was a scam, a marketing tactic like blast processing and not something that exists even today in a different form (heterogeneous processing in APUs, CUDA).
You know, kinda like dinosaurs that exist today in the form of chickens. Nobody is impressed by chickens though, but we (should) know their roots stem from dinosaurs.
Rawbutt Jellybean
Member
Incorrect for one but they wouldn't have even needed much more than FP since they were pumping out hits left and right.PS3 hardly had support apart from its own FP. Also lost a huge chunk of the support PlayStation had from ps2 to xbox 360. I know Neogaf and all but people need to refrain from daily
The fact that you keep using "cap" means it's unlikely you're even old enough to remember the PS3.
ArtHands
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I guess being a 3-games compilation is what's stopping them from modernizing Uncharted Trilogy. What sucks
bender
What time is it?
Do tell. What sucks?
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Those games being stuck at 1-2 gen old graphical fidelity, no modern QoL and features, and not available on more platforms.
Nathan Drake Collection look worse than TLOU on PS4 in every way
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
So bad PSN can’t stay up.
Dafegamer
Member
I'm older than 32, I literally lived the abysmal PS3 days. PS3 only hit its peak from 2010, but by then it already lost most of it's support for it's finicky Hardware(especially from major Japanese devs at the time) price and the overall stubbornness of Sony of dissing it's own fanbase at the time, literally calling them "Broke". I literally can't see how people think PS5 is "worse" in those regards. I find it funny you that claim that era was also the most "creative" regarding games, when that era is known for its gray military shooter era, which was the defining genre of the gen. Even todays gaas have more variety in the actual games that utilize so called GAAS
(Btw GAAS is more of MS thing anyway, sony has huge variety in games they produce nowadays)
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
PS3 had Killzone 2, Killzone 3, Uncharted 2, The Last of Us, God of War 3 and Metal Gear Solid 4. Those are easily better than this generation’s exclusive offerings.
Dafegamer
Member
Yay ma
. To me, apart from LBP and Uncharted, it was one of the most boring gens sony had regarding themes. They had some good indie or niche stuff too tho.
Yay, if you like your military shooters I guess
. To me, apart from LBP and Uncharted, it was one of the most boring gens sony had regarding themes. They had some good indie or niche stuff too tho.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
God of War Ragnarok > GOW3
Horizon FW > Killzone 2/3 SP
Helldivers 2 > Killzone MP
Spiderman 2 > MGS4
Uncharted = AstroBot (different genres or whatever, just going by quality)
Ratchet RA > ToD
Returnal > Resistance Series
Demons Souls > Lair, Heavenly Sword, whatever.
GT7 > GT5
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FoxMcChief
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Rawbutt Jellybean
Member
Before 2010 we got Killzone 2, Uncharted 1+2, Demon's Souls, Infamous, 3D Dot Game Heroes, Warhawk, LBP, Valkyria Chronicles, 3 R&Cs, Heavenly Sword, Folklore, Motorstorm + Pacific Rift, MGS4, and Resistance 1+2 which were all good to great games. It absolutely dumps all over the PS5 library. 3 "gray military shooters" out like 20 games.
And that's not even getting into the niche stuff like Katamari, Disgaea, etc.
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James Sawyer Ford
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You were likely the same guy in 2010 saying the PS3 lineup was straight up garbage and Killzone controlled like trash
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