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Nintendo Switch 2 will have the best upscaling technology of any consoles

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Buggy Loop

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The announcement from last night, the move to change from old DLSS Convolutional Neural Networks (CNN) to transformer model is applicable for all RTX hardware

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See ENHANCED: DLSS Super Resolution.

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Even Switch 2 with rumoured old ass Ampere will have the best upscaling tech of console world

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Next gen, if a console manufacturer goes with AMD, the other should go with Nvidia, the one with the deeper pockets. It's getting ridiculous how good Nvidia is getting at AI.
 
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Dacvak

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I mean, I guess it’s true that the Switch 2 will have more advanced upscaling than the PS5 or Xbox thanks to the Nvidia hardware. It remains to be seen how it’ll be implemented, though. DLSS and upscaling isn’t free, and the existing higher quality DLSS modes come at a significant frame time cost.

It’s still best to keep hopes in check. The tech may be more advanced than other consoles, but the implementation could be severely limited to keep TDP down.
 
Wooxsvan

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Buggy Loop said:
What are you even talking about?

Nintendo's deal with Nvidia is they also use Nvidia's inhouse API, NVN.. NVN 2 for Switch 2 has already been leaked
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i must have missed that they are using "dlss". i saw in the patent the other day which made it seem like they were building their own, obviously using nvidia hardware
 
Buggy Loop

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Dacvak said:
I mean, I guess it’s true that the Switch 2 will have more advanced upscaling than the PS5 or Xbox thanks to the Nvidia hardware. It remains to be seen how it’ll be implemented, though. DLSS and upscaling isn’t free, and the existing higher quality DLSS modes come at a significant frame time cost.

It’s still best to keep hopes in check. The tech may be more advanced than other consoles, but the implementation could be severely limited to keep TDP down.
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The enhanced DLSS upscaler has even less latency than previous CNN model of DLSS. It gets better performances.

Even TURING will benefit from this

No need for new hardware, no new tensor cores. It's the trained model that has changed.
 
Buggy Loop

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James Sawyer Ford said:
Yeah that massive bandwidth and raster performance of a 60W 2013 era hardware is surely going to have tons of beefy headroom for state of the art upscaling similar to a $2000 GPU

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Yea i don't expect much from you guys and tech knowledge, really not much, like a tiny little spoon, that's what you don't get. The training MODEL has changed. It runs on ALL RTX tensor cores, all the way back to Turing, and performs better with lower ms of rendering.

Very hard concepts I know

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kazuyamishima

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Even the most Nintendo guys at the Install Base forum have settled for a decent upgrade for the Switch 2.

It seems that there are still some that will be very disappointed when this thing launches
 
Hawk The Slayer

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I'm fine with this since 1080P is what I'll always use.

I just hope they'll have a big budget dark fantasy Zelda like Majora's Mask, Ocarina of Time again or that WII U tech demo style. Or else I'm skipping on the Nintendo console yet again.
 
James Sawyer Ford

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Buggy Loop said:
The training MODEL has changed. It runs on ALL RTX tensor cores, all the way back to Turing, and performs better with lower ms of rendering.
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What’s so hard for you to understand that a 2013 piece of hardware is going to look like dogshit and will not have the headroom to implement DLSS equally as a 2025 $2000 gpu?

You’re the same guy that said 8nm wasn’t confirmed. So much for your “tech knowledge”. Derp
 
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The Mad Draklor

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I mean... it's not going to suddenly make it compete with the Series S, but as long as the performance stays at a consistent 60fps for a vast majority of games, that's good enough.
 
IAmRei

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slow down, and hold your horses, and keep calm
as my profile picture shown, i don't really care about graphic.
and as long as the games are great, upgrade to whatever,
at least do everything right is super fine for me
 
Buggy Loop

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James Sawyer Ford said:
What’s so hard for you to understand that a 2013 piece of hardware is going to look like dogshit and will not have the headroom to implement DLSS equally as a 2025 $2000 gpu?

You’re the same guy that said 8nm wasn’t confirmed. So much for your “tech knowledge”. Derp
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The upscaling does not need 2025 $2000 GPU. I'm not talking about Multi frame generation, DLSS frame generation, the DLSS Super resolution.

Are you dense?

DLSS upscaling is DLSS upscaling, it does not NEED the Blackwell architecture

A 2060 will run it. All RTX models will run it. The training model, you know, on Nvidia supercomputers at their office, is what changed. It's still using the same tensor cores that allowed any RTX cards to have DLSS.

nvidia-dlss-4-feature-chart-breakdown.jpg


"The model has demonstrated better temporal stability, less ghosting, and higher detail in motion.

The new transformer model architecture will provide years of headroom to deliver continuous image quality improvements, as we have done with the CNN architecture for the past 6 years."

chris tucker do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth? GIF
 
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James Sawyer Ford

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Buggy Loop said:
The upscaling does not need 2025 $2000 GPU. I'm not talking about Multi frame generation, DLSS frame generation, the DLSS Super resolution.

Are you dense?

DLSS upscaling is DLSS upscaling, it does not NEED the Blackwell architecture

A 2060 will run it. All RTX models will run it. The training model, you know, on Nvidia supercomputers at their office, is what changed. It's still using the same tensor cores that allowed any RTX cards to have DLSS.

nvidia-dlss-4-feature-chart-breakdown.jpg


"The model has demonstrated better temporal stability, less ghosting, and higher detail in motion.

The new transformer model architecture will provide years of headroom to deliver continuous image quality improvements, as we have done with the CNN architecture for the past 6 years."

chris tucker do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth? GIF
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You do understand that DLSS isn’t equally performant across hardware, right?
 
Buggy Loop

Buggy Loop

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James Sawyer Ford said:
You do understand that DLSS isn’t equally performant across hardware, right?
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You do understand we have NVN leaks that state it has DLSS right?

This new DLSS model has less latency, will have a huge impact on RTX GPUs with low ressources, such as the 2050 that DF analysed. Those ms reductions will benefit those chipsets a lot more than the big flagships.
 
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Imtjnotu

Imtjnotu

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Buggy Loop said:
The announcement from last night, the move to change from old DLSS Convolutional Neural Networks (CNN) to transformer model is applicable for all RTX hardware

qvjQZ3s.jpeg


Even Switch 2 with rumoured old ass Ampere will have the best upscaling tech of console world

Serious The Four GIF by Diddy


Next gen, if a console manufacturer goes with AMD, the other should go with Nvidia, the one with the deeper pockets. It's getting ridiculous how good Nvidia is getting at AI.
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James Sawyer Ford

James Sawyer Ford

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Buggy Loop said:
You do understand we have NVN leaks that state it has DLSS right?

This new model has less latency, will have a huge impact on RTX GPUs with low ressources, such as the 2050 that DF analysed.
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I said it’s not equally performant. AI up scaling is heavily dependent on adequate internal resolutions, and a console using 12 year old hardware performance or worse is going to have very poor internal resolutions resulting in AI up scaling not looking anywhere near as good as more modern hardware
 
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Buggy Loop

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James Sawyer Ford said:
I said it’s not equally performant. AI up scaling is heavily dependent on adequate internal resolutions, and a console using 12 year old hardware performance or worse is going to have very poor internal resolutions resulting in AI up scaling not looking anywhere near as good as more modern hardware
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Even the old ass DLSS was leagues better than FSR for low resolution



You see those details in OP from new model? You can live with a lot lower base resolution and still end up better than FSR
 
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